He's a Saarebas! I'm sure they can help him find his true path.
Stiiiiill more than he deserves though.
I'm pretty sure the Qun is anti whining tho...and even if not I mean they'd just kill him. He's already corrupted.
XD kind of wish there was a way to completely strip someone of magic and leave them sane. It just wasn't widely used because it's extremely painful and has a high fatality rate. But that'd be too much of an easy third option regarding dangerous mages I guess.
That's rich coming from Miss "Kill All Templars And Anyone Else I Disagree With".
That doesn't count tho! Templars aren't people!
Only Maaages are people! Remember kids, stay away from Xil's mages, they'll use blood magic to make you accept the revolution.
That's rich coming from Miss "Kill All Templars And Anyone Else I Disagree With".
I'm very sympathetic to the Templars.
And they must be destroyed.
ALL OF THEM.
That's rich coming from Miss "Kill All Templars And Anyone Else I Disagree With".
I'm fine with peace if they agree to it and stop being antagonistic, I just don't consider it likely.
Not how Tranquility works at all.Kind of.
Tranquil still have free will but no emotions or desires.
So while they might not want pain or to die or like being called an automaton (because it's wrong).
They wouldn't object to doing anything because they have no reason to not do anything as long as it's not physically painful or harmful.
"Tranquil, jump in that fire."
"No."
"Tranquil, go scrub all the toilets."
"Okay."
"Tranquil, have sex with me."
"Okay."
Wrong. Justice wanted her dead for calling him a demon, and he thought she was aligned with the templars. Anders had nothing to do with that.
So being insulted is good enough reason for murder now, or makes her anything other then a non-combative civilian he wanted to brutally murder? He says so himself, there is no seperation between anders and justice, theres no point where one ends and the other begins. His crimes as justice are still his actions as anders, so the whole defense falls apart right there.
I'm pretty sure the Qun is anti whining tho...and even if not I mean they'd just kill him. He's already corrupted.
XD kind of wish there was a way to completely strip someone of magic and leave them sane. It just wasn't widely used because it's extremely painful and has a high fatality rate. But that'd be too much of an easy third option regarding dangerous mages I guess.
Yeah, everything related to magic in DA seems to be a double edged sword unfortunately... nothing is ever simple. It presents a fascinating set of moral questions to ponder, but sometimes I wish there were a few easy answers here and there...
Yeah, everything related to magic in DA seems to be a double edged sword unfortunately... nothing is every simple. It presents a fascinating set of moral questions to ponder, but sometimes I wish there were a few easy answers here and there...
Yeah, my essay made ME the author more sympathetic to the Templars.
That is why Kirkwall is a pit.
Not how Tranquility works at all.
How do you figure?
Yeah, everything related to magic in DA seems to be a double edged sword unfortunately... nothing is every simple. It presents a fascinating set of moral questions to ponder, but sometimes I wish there were a few easy answers here and there...
Yeah as it is I sit my butt firmly in the moderation corner.
That is why Kirkwall is a pit.
This is why templar oversight is a neccessity that needs to be strictly enforced. Kirkwall templars were policing themselves and that almost always ends in disaster.
considering their IAB thats overall pro templar i suggest government insteadThis is why templar oversight is a neccessity that needs to be strictly enforced. Kirkwall templars were policing themselves and that almost always ends in disaster.
This is why templar oversight is a neccessity that needs to be strictly enforced. Kirkwall templars were policing themselves and that almost always ends in disaster.
... ran out of likes, but I agree. If that was the Seekers' responsibility then they dropped the ball. Hopefully this will be addressed if the Circle is rebuilt in DA:I. Without Templars being routinely investigated and held accountable for their crimes, the mages will just rebel all over again... probably within a decade or two now that they've seen it happen successfully in their own lifetimes.
considering their IAB thats overall pro templar i suggest government instead
Sometimes the government can be even more extreme though.
... ran out of likes, but I agree.
considering their IAB thats overall pro templar i suggest government instead
Oh yeah the Chantry has failed in their oversighting duties which lead to the Kirkwall templars policing themselves. Preferably a neutral group that's competent and willing to actually do something and not sit on their hands (preferably a group that doesn't have a vested interest in not rocking the boat when people are acting out of order) while things go to hell until it's nearly too late for things to be salvaged.
How do you figure?
Tranquil have a reduce amount of emotional expression but they still feel it to some degree. They feel enough to form preferences, and are extremely logic based. This was shown in DAO with pretty much every tranquil we came across, in fact you can get into a heavy philosophical discussion with owain if you keep disagreeing with his stance that he's a person. The fact he was smart enough to hide from the demons or blood mages, waiting until they were dead to come back out, demonstrates they aren't the mindless zombies you portray.
"Tranquil, come out here and show yourself" wouldn't work on them if they do not like you or thought of you as a threat. DA2 dropped the ball on this, and did a disservice to this interesting aspect of the lore by reducing its complexity to cartoonish levels. And yes, adding rape into the mix doesn't make the ridiculousness of the caricaturing the writers did in that game regarding the tranquil any less cartoonish. Showing tranquils as being complacent to law breaking and personal betrayals was one of the biggest aspects of dragon age 2's writing which I would describe as being poorly done.
It is a mockery to speak of an "agreement" if there is none. It is a mockery to take recourse to the law if the matter of contention is the question of whether the law is unjust.
Also, that I can expect consequences has no bearing on whether I find those justified. Your reasoning can be used to justify any sort of oppression. And you're using it exactly for that. Cow a group into submission and then justify any action you take against them for breaking a law you forced them to accept with their "agreement", that's political propaganda at its best.
Except there was an agreement, two in fact, the second one resulting in the Circles, to where the mages went willingly, I might add.
Sometimes the government can be even more extreme though.
Thedan governments suck too.
The problem isn't even the Templars are policing themselves. It's that I don't see any policing. Ser Alrik isn't abusing his authority or bending the law. He's outright BREAKING every single law the Templars have. Meredith had the unjustified but legal authority to annul the Circle. Ser Alrik, by contrast, is just doing all manner of illegal ****. In a way you can't really argue he's an example of Templar misrule because he's like a cop serial killer. Not really an example of police brutality.
It's like Apocalypse Now.
"You object to my methods?"
"I don't see ANY method."
Except there was an agreement, two in fact, the second one resulting in the Circles, to where the mages went willingly, I might add.
But how can the mages try and take over the Black City from the circles?!
#TheMagisterswereright #MageRevolution #Anderswasright
Do you not understand the concept of a non-democratic system or do you simply oppose it? If it's the latter, then please understand that your objection does not change how the Circles, and all other governments in Thedas, are run.
Among other things, I am arguing that the philosophical underpinning of historical feudal systems which you're using in your line of arguments is flawed, because it assumes a contract where there is none. Also, that a feudal system works as it does has no bearing at all on the question of whether it should be, or whether rebellion is justified. The status quo does not justify itself by existing, and a law cannot be used to justify itself.
Tranquil have a reduce amount of emotional expression but they still feel it to some degree. They feel enough to form preferences, and are extremely logic based. This was shown in DAO with pretty much every tranquil we came across, in fact you can get into a heavy philosophical discussion with owain if you keep disagreeing with his stance that he's a person. The fact he was smart enough to hide from the demons or blood mages, waiting until they were dead to come back out, demonstrates they aren't the mindless zombies you portray.
"Tranquil, come out here and show yourself" wouldn't work on them if they do not like you or thought of you as a threat. DA2 dropped the ball on this, and did a disservice to this interesting aspect of the lore by reducing its complexity to cartoonish levels. And yes, adding rape into the mix doesn't make the ridiculousness of the caricaturing the writers did in that game regarding the tranquil any less cartoonish. Showing tranquils as being complacent to law breaking and personal betrayals was one of the biggest aspects of dragon age 2's writing which I would describe as being poorly done.
I disagree with your interpretation of how the Tranquil work. I headcanon something similar but the books and games are very clear they straight up do not have any emotional expression.
That video is skewed. The person speaking in the first half is not the same one that became Tranquil.
The voice is nothing alike, it belongs to the woman wearing the hood, not the one with the white hair who later became a Tranquil. They just happen to be walking near each other.
Since she refers to the elven mage as an apprentice, it is likely she was one as well meaning she never passed her Harrowing and thus can be subjected to Tranquility.
Of course, since it was Alrik who did it and is clearly abusing her, it's possible she didn't deserve it. But there's no indication he's breaking any law.
gotta love snide remarks. Seekers are picked from templar ranks. If the govt does it magi are treated as weapons(as cullen claims) even more no really different from where i stand
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