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[CMdrShep93]

What if the Systems Alliance allowed the other species become citizens of the Systems Alliance? Giving them all rights humans have. Obviously groups like Terra Firma and Cerberus would vigorously oppose policies like this. The Systems Alliance can outlaw and marginalize prohuman groups like TerraFirma and Cerberus. What do you think of this? Personally I want the Systems Alliance to be the most enlightened progressive liberal society in Mass Effect.

[Vazgen]

Why would other races want this? They already have as much rights as humans in their own societies and global galactic society.

[CMdrShep93]

Why would other races want this? They already have as much rights as humans in their own societies and global galactic society.

 

The Systems Alliance would not force the other races to be part of their society. Humanity would allow all races to become citizens to make a point that humanity is the most enlightened liberal race in the galaxy.

[essarr71]

Do enlightened cultures force their beliefs on others? 

[Vazgen]

Laws are not passed to make a point, they need to be beneficial at least to one side (the law maker). In this case I fail to see those benefits. Humanity will have to go for a lot of expenses to be able to see to the needs of all races with some of them not being able to eat the same food as humans. All that money spent just to make a quite questionable point? I just don't see it happening.

[CMdrShep93]

Laws are not passed to make a point, they need to be beneficial at least to one side (the law maker). In this case I fail to see those benefits. Humanity will have to go for a lot of expenses to be able to see to the needs of all races with some of them not being able to eat the same food as humans. All that money spent just to make a quite questionable point? I just don't see it happening.

 

Maybe their foods can be grown on some human worlds.

[windsea]

I doubt Cerberus would fight it. They are all about make humanity being on top so having members other races following human laws would be a win, that being said if a non-human was try to hold offices then they would do something. Terra Firma on the other hand is all about keeping humanity pure of alien influences so they would hate it.

 

 

 

citizenship is something i always wonder about in the mass effect universe in general . 

 

For one how does Citizenship work with families who adopt.

For example what if a Turian family adopted a human child, would that child still be only a Systems Alliance citizen or Turian hierarchy or both.

Now to make it harder what if it is a multiracial families who adopt, to say a Drell and Human adopt a Turian kid then there  which a government the kid could belong to. Then there are Asari families, can Asari get citizenship of their father's race.

 

Is Immigration in general allowed? For example say a Quarian on their pilgrimage doesn't want to return to the flotilla could they be able to gain citizenship for another race's government.

 

How are Refugees handle who want/need permanent residency?

 

are there multiracial schools or classes for the different races to meet the different government's education requirement?  

 

Is there a single Galactic citizenship for all citadel races?

 

if there are people with Multiple citizenship, then could they serve in military other then their race?

[Tonymac]

Humans are part of Galactic society.  We have an Embassy on the Citadel, and are now even a Council race.  This means we as humans support Council Laws first, not human or Alliance law when dealing with aliens.

 

Alliance law is similar to Military law,  Alliance soldiers are held within the Council laws as well as Alliance laws.

 

Seeing as that all citizens in Council space are protected under council law, why would they want to join the human Alliance?  If they wanted to be under extra laws of their militatries they can join STG, Asari Commandos etc.  I highly doubt that the Asari Commandos or the Salarian Special Tasks Group would let humans enlist, so why would we?  Your liberal views weaken the Alliance.  I suspect indoctrination.

[windsea]

Humans are part of Galactic society.  We have an Embassy on the Citadel, and are now even a Council race.  This means we as humans support Council Laws first, not human or Alliance law when dealing with aliens.

 

Alliance law is similar to Military law,  Alliance soldiers are held within the Council laws as well as Alliance laws.

 

Seeing as that all citizens in Council space are protected under council law, why would they want to join the human Alliance?  If they wanted to be under extra laws of their militatries they can join STG, Asari Commandos etc.  I highly doubt that the Asari Commandos or the Salarian Special Tasks Group would let humans enlist, so why would we?  Your liberal views weaken the Alliance.  I suspect indoctrination.

I fail to see how letting a krogan join the Alliance Military would weaken it.

[Han Shot First]

In Mass Effect: Revelation wasn't it stated that Illyria (the capital city of Elysium) had lots of alien residents as well?

[CMdrShep93]

Humans are part of Galactic society.  We have an Embassy on the Citadel, and are now even a Council race.  This means we as humans support Council Laws first, not human or Alliance law when dealing with aliens.

 

Alliance law is similar to Military law,  Alliance soldiers are held within the Council laws as well as Alliance laws.

 

Seeing as that all citizens in Council space are protected under council law, why would they want to join the human Alliance?  If they wanted to be under extra laws of their militatries they can join STG, Asari Commandos etc.  I highly doubt that the Asari Commandos or the Salarian Special Tasks Group would let humans enlist, so why would we?  Your liberal views weaken the Alliance.  I suspect indoctrination.

 

You take video games too seriously. This game is developed in Canada. Canada is one of the most progressive nations in the world!

[CMdrShep93]

Is a more liberal Mass Effect universe too much to ask for?

[SwobyJ]

What a troll thread.
But seriously, yes they should and I wouldn't be surprised if they do. I can particularly imagine a sort of human-turian partnership postwar.
The Alliance becomes more and more of what remains as a government by the end of ME3. Red to blue.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

They already can, if they so choose. 

But there is no reason for a citizen of another Citadel government to join the Alliance. It's the weakest economically, and doesn't exactly have a formidable military. 

[KaiserShep]

You take video games too seriously. This game is developed in Canada. Canada is one of the most progressive nations in the world!

 

They pioneered the marriage of french fries, gravy and cheese. If ever there was a god of wisdom, truly it is on their side.

[Obadiah]

I wonder if there is a standard policy on alien immigration that all Council states have to adhere to?

I'd assume the Alliance would at least have to offer asylum to those aliens seeking it.

[NikOmba]

I don't think that would ever happen. The Alliance serves to advance human interestes and that might be hampered by cultivating a large non-human population within its "borders". Then again, it does work with the turians however their model is an imperialistic one. I'm not sure if non-turians actually have full rights in turian society.

[windsea]

They already can, if they so choose. 

But there is no reason for a citizen of another Citadel government to join the Alliance. It's the weakest economically, and doesn't exactly have a formidable military. 

Where are you getting that?

 

In terms of economy, The Alliance does has several key player. For example Sirta Foundation, who invented medi-gel, is a human company.

 

In terms of military, they are one of the greater navy in the galaxy. Beside the Turians/Council and the Geth, no one really stands a chance in full on war with the alliance.

[Tonymac]

This thread brings up some interesting ideas about post ME3 Galactic politics (if there are any - choosing refuse and shooting the brat puts things off a bit)

[Terca]

Wait... Is this Human Cultural Superemacy? Is this actually happening in a thread? Wow.

[windsea]

Wait... Is this Human Cultural Superemacy? Is this actually happening in a thread? Wow.

But HUMANS ARE SUPERIOR.

[SwobyJ]

I don't think that would ever happen. The Alliance serves to advance human interestes and that might be hampered by cultivating a large non-human population within its "borders". Then again, it does work with the turians however their model is an imperialistic one. I'm not sure if non-turians actually have full rights in turian society.

 

Post-ME3 the Alliance seems substantially different than the ME1-ME2 (and somewhat ME3) Alliance.

 

They're branching out. The message is unity. I don't think they'll turn away from this message. I'm not expecting the Star Trek Federation here, but at least something closer to it.

 

Remember that both Turian and Human worlds are wrecked. There has to be a significantly greater degree of cooperation after this (at least in the brighter Extended Cut version of things, haha).

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Where are you getting that?

 

In terms of economy, The Alliance does has several key player. For example Sirta Foundation, who invented medi-gel, is a human company.

 

In terms of military, they are one of the greater navy in the galaxy. Beside the Turians/Council and the Geth, no one really stands a chance in full on war with the alliance.

Norway has IKEA. Doesn't make it a major economic player. The Asari, Volus, Turians, and Salarians are all guaranteed to have far, far larger and healthier economies, and there isn't any information on the Hanar or the Elcor. 

Now that is just funny. Salarians, Asari, Turians, Geth, and the Terminus would stomp the Alliance. The Quarians and maybe the Batarians would stand a good chance against it. 

Come on now. Have you read the codex, like, ever? The Turians have 37 dreadnoughts, and at least thirty two fleets. The Asari have 21 dreadnoughts, and the Salarians have 16, and both of their dreadnought/fleet ratios should be similar to the Turians'. The Salarians also have the STG, and that just makes it unfair. The Geth have a navy with numbers comparable to the Turians, and would stomp the Alliance, and the Quarians were able to go toe-to-toe with them. 

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

This thread brings up some interesting ideas about post ME3 Galactic politics (if there are any - choosing refuse and shooting the brat puts things off a bit)

The Salarians become the dominant force in the galaxy. 

There really is no debating this. Their homeworld is untouched, and their fleets are intact. 
 

[Tonymac]

The Salarians become the dominant force in the galaxy. 

There really is no debating this. Their homeworld is untouched, and their fleets are intact. 
 

 

You bring up a good point.  I had forgotten all about our sneaky little pals.  Maybe the reapers hadn't moved in on them because they weren't a threat - at least to the reapers.