Characters shouldn't be made to not hurt your feelings. I don't like Fenris hating mages. So what he should be changed to be nice. Or Isabela threatening to cut Hawke balls, it was awkward.
She/he did not have their feelings hurt; they are upset because it was an erroneous depiction of bisexuality. People do not become bisexual because they are forced to sleep with both sexes. People are born bisexual.
She/he did not have their feelings hurt; they are upset because it was an erroneous depiction of bisexuality. People do not become bisexual because they are forced to sleep with both sexes. People are born bisexual.
I've been trying to get through this to people for 20 years since I came out. It never gets any easier. I swear, the bi/pansexual folks need a "For Dummies" guide or something. It shouldn't too hard to grasp, but apparently how it works is lost on folks occasionally. 
Characters shouldn't be made to not hurt your feelings. I don't like Fenris hating mages. So what he should be changed to be nice. Or Isabela threatening to cut Hawke balls, it was awkward.
She/he did not have their feelings hurt; they are upset because it was an erroneous depiction of bisexuality. People do not become bisexual because they are forced to sleep with both sexes. People are born bisexual.
9TallisFox, what CuriousArtemis says here is exactly what I was trying to get across. Hope that makes it clearer.
This is really funny, because don't we have a constant barrage of posts from "straight males" claiming that romances don't matter, and belittling people who do find the romances an important or enjoyable part of the game?
Make up your minds, people.
I know this post was made quite awhile ago, but I feel this should be said.
No group of people are a collective hive mind, no one speaks for everyone.
Having said that, this isn't about equality for OP, this is about him wanting more. He didn't mention the gay men or the lesbians who got the same amount as him. Only straight men like himself. He just wants more for himself and if he got more and queer people complained, I'm pretty sure he'd say there was no issue and to stop whining.
9TallisFox, what CuriousArtemis says here is exactly what I was trying to get across. Hope that makes it clearer.
So if Zevran feels like this it something wrong with him. And what exactly Zevran said. If game have character who enjoys killing people it's not equal developers like it.
She/he did not have their feelings hurt; they are upset because it was an erroneous depiction of bisexuality. People do not become bisexual because they are forced to sleep with both sexes. People are born bisexual.
"People are born bisexual." I do not agree with it. Kids don't even care about sex, only later in maturity.
So if Zevran feels like this it something wrong with him. And what exactly Zevran said. If game have character who enjoys killing people it's not equal developers like it.
"People are born bisexual." I do not agree with it. Kids don't even care about sex, only later in maturity.
Bisexual person, can confirm that I did not choose to like both genders, it just happened. No decisions were made and I live in a very bigoted town in the south. If it were a choice it was one I certainly wouldn't have taken as a teenager.
Characters shouldn't be made to not hurt your feelings. I don't like Fenris hating mages. So what he should be changed to be nice. Or Isabela threatening to cut Hawke balls, it was awkward.
I'll respond to this one as well. It's not about hurt feelings, it's about what he said simply potraying bisexuality incorrectly. Bisexual people can like one gender more than the other, but Zevran comes off as having been made bi by the crows. You don't just become bi, that's not how it works.
I'll respond to this one as well. It's not about hurt feelings, it's about what he said simply potraying bisexuality incorrectly. Bisexual people can like one gender more than the other, but Zevran comes off as having been made bi by the crows. You don't just become bi, that's not how it works.
My point whether it is true or not. I don't know, I don't remember majority of my childhood, and why I like thinks I like.My point It's not wrong, for character to be flawed, or give you false information and honestly believe it's true. I think killing people is wrong. I don't blame writer for Zevran believing otherwise.
My point whether it is true or not. I don't know, I don't remember majority of my childhood, and why I like thinks I like.My point It's not wrong, for character to be flawed, or give you false information and honestly believe it's true. I think killing people is wrong. I don't blame writer for Zevran believing otherwise.
Not inherently wrong, no. But spreading misinformation about a subject that a lot of people don't bother to educate themselves on in the first place is probably not a good thing.
If playing as a mage & not having Bethany in the party i don't think she mentions being with women at all unless she's romanced or had fun with the female warden/Leliana in Origins though, just disappointed me abit that she never flirts with any female character besides the optional relationship with Hawke
That is a good point. I never really noticed it because I pretty much always have Bethany in my party (if she's alive), import a save were Leliana and The Warden slept with her and romance her.
Thinking on it though you're right, if you didn't do any of that it would be hard to work out that she was Bisexual.
It would've been nice for it to come up in banter between her and Aveline - I mean they talk about Isabela's relationship with men enough, so it would've been a nice way to bring it up naturally.
My point whether it is true or not. I don't know, I don't remember majority of my childhood, and why I like thinks I like.My point It's not wrong, for character to be flawed, or give you false information and honestly believe it's true. I think killing people is wrong. I don't blame writer for Zevran believing otherwise.
Character flaws don't bother or offend me if that's what you got from my original post. If that were the case, I'd be offended by a lot of characters given my strong opinions that would clash heavily with theirs. In Zevran's case, I don't have an issue with Zevran himself having that opinion, but rather the way the bisexuality was portrayed by the writers. It isn't uncommon in mass media to portray bisexuality or homosexuality as solely a consequence of certain problematic circumstances. I doubt this was Bioware's intention but it is what it is and I'd rather they avoided it in future. So to be clear, that is just my opinion on media's portrayal of non-heterosexuality, not the character's opinion of it.
It isn't uncommon in mass media to portray bisexuality or homosexuality as solely a consequence of certain problematic circumstances. I doubt this was Bioware's intention but it is what it is and I'd rather they avoided it in future. So to be clear, that is just my opinion on media's portrayal of non-heterosexuality, not the character's opinion of it.
In Zevran's case, I think what he says about the "preference to women", is not because of his past, but because doing a quick research into the matter, you will see that concept about male sexuality that says, the higher the drive, the more likely for them to be interested in one sex and lose interest for the other. I'm paraphrasing here, but if someone that wants to make a bisexual character goes by this research then the behavior of Zevran is perfectly understandable.
I remember reading about this back in 2008. It was kind of popular in magazines.
In Zevran's case, I think what he says about the "preference to women", is not because of his past, but because doing a quick research into the matter, you will see that concept about male sexuality that says, the higher the drive, the more likely for them to be interested in one sex and lose interest for the other. I'm paraphrasing here, but if someone that wants to make a bisexual character goes by this research then the behavior of Zevran is perfectly understandable.
I remember reading about this back in 2008. It was kind of popular in magazines.
I think I'm a bit confused by your post. My issue isn't with his preference for women, that's entirely reasonable. My issue is with the whole 'made bi cos he was forced to sleep with men' bit which reinforces some negative stereotypes about non-hetersexuality.
Honestly, I would have found fun the fact that we could have an "only kunari" romance for either gender. I do not care about the amount of romances and the kind of but romancing in-game should modify some personalities of your companions. I find that would be truly interesting. (Leliana and Zevran would have been a very "cute" choice for special romances.)
I think I'm a bit confused by your post. My issue isn't with his preference for women, that's entirely reasonable. My issue is with the whole 'made bi cos he was forced to sleep with men' bit which reinforces some negative stereotypes about non-hetersexuality.
Well I guess I was offtopic then, sorry. I assumed this because I disagree with how most people use this trope. Don't want to go too much into this but personally since he makes no apologies about it, I see this as a positive quality and inspiration. I understand if someone disagrees though. ^^
I think I'm a bit confused by your post. My issue isn't with his preference for women, that's entirely reasonable. My issue is with the whole 'made bi cos he was forced to sleep with men' bit which reinforces some negative stereotypes about non-hetersexuality.
That was my problem with Zevran's bisexuality, it really seemed to me that he was just "conditioned" to be bi by the Crows & that he wouldn't have been interested in men otherwise
That was my problem with Zevran's bisexuality, it really seemed to me that he was just "conditioned" to be bi by the Crows & that he wouldn't have been interested in men otherwise
Its been a long time since I've played the game, and I admittedly didn't like Zevran much, so I can't remember how this played out.
But is it at all possible that Zevran himself might have misconceptions about his own orientation, etc.? Surely the rather abusive life he suffered through could do a lot to mess up a person's feelings, and he may not even realize that - even without the Crows - he'd still be attracted to men. Is that a possibility, or is that precluded by something else he says/does?
Guys are you ready for this? I think we need to start bringing in some different kind of romances.
Dragon Age 4 should have romances with characters who are...Brace yourselves!
That's right, we need to start thinking OUTSIDE of the genetic box here. Half qunari, half human. Half elf, half dwarf. Half human, half drago-....er huh? What was I saying?
If playing as a mage & not having Bethany in the party i don't think she mentions being with women at all unless she's romanced or had fun with the female warden/Leliana in Origins though, just disappointed me abit that she never flirts with any female character besides the optional relationship with Hawke
Well, there is
But I guess crossbows don't exactly count as female characters. She's also quite obviously interested in Idunna, though there's a bit of blood magic going on.
So if Zevran feels like this it something wrong with him. And what exactly Zevran said. If game have character who enjoys killing people it's not equal developers like it.
"People are born bisexual." I do not agree with it. Kids don't even care about sex, only later in maturity.
I was born bisexual, & knew it when I was a kid. Saying people aren't born that way is kinda unfair.
I was born bisexual, & knew it when I was a kid. Saying people aren't born that way is kinda unfair.
Whether or not it's 'unfair' isn't really relevant, is it? What matters is whether or not it's true. And I do ask myself how you could possibly know that you were born bisexual. How would you tell apart being born bisexual and becoming bisexual over for the course of the first, say, four years of your life?
Whether or not it's 'unfair' isn't really relevant, is it?
You're right; s/he ought to have said erroneous, laughably stupid, and smacking of ignorance. 
You're right; s/he ought to have said erroneous, laughably stupid, and smacking of ignorance.
You do realize that there is no scientific consensus on the origin of sexual orientation?
You do realize that there is no scientific consensus on the origin of sexual orientation?
Also the earth is flat and global warming is not caused by humans! EDIT: And evolution is a lie.
Also the earth is flat and global warming is not caused by humans! EDIT: And evolution is a lie.
...is it really so hard to show a bit of rationality?
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