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[CuriousArtemis]

Well, again, it's just the rude and disgusted way in which I have to reject him that I hate. And trust me; it's bad; I've played the game like 20 times

[Hellion Rex]

Well, again, it's just the rude and disgusted way in which I have to reject him that I hate. And trust me; it's bad; I've played the game like 20 times

My comment wasn't aimed at you. It was talking about the "dudebros" who were moaning about it.

[Ryzaki]

The only thing I know for sure is that it's going to probably be a long time before the writers decide ever again to have the companion hit on the player first.

 

I'd be grateful honestly. Because usually I end up with rejections that don't fit my character anyway. Plus it's awkward. (Particularly when my character's already romancing someone and the other character knows this).

[Revan Reborn]

Male Hawke's "rejection response" to Anders really wasn't that bad. The tone in the voice came across as if he was taken aback. I wouldn't say he was downright disgusted though. It came across more that Anders was more so offended for misinterpreting Male Hawke's kindness. Irregardless, it was a bit of a curve ball just being the nice guy and all the sudden Anders hits on you. It really wasn't that big of a deal though. Just reject if you aren't interested and move on.

 

I do believe we'll see companions hit on us in the future though, regardless of gender. The reason I say this is because BioWare rectified any errors they had in DA2 with ME3. I felt Steve Cortez was a much better written same-sex romance option. You had to talk to the guy A LOT before things really started to go anywhere. It's not until you actually get to the bar on the Citadel that he indirectly makes a pass at you, but if you say something along the lines of "I'm into women," you just remain friends after that.

 

It all comes down to quality writing and proper execution. BioWare has improved substantially with their romance story lines, in my opinion, and I don't see them reverting course in regards to that.

[Ina]

@Ina If you never press the flirt button, Male Hawke doesn't sound homophobic at all, you turning him down in the first instant is exactly the same as Female Hawke's response to turning him down. In addition you get no rivalry points. He does sound mean if you continue to flirt then turn him down, but only a mean Hawke would lead someone on with flirting then being rude to them.

 

Hmm it's really not how I remember it but then again it's been a while since I last played DA2 so maybe I'm mistaken. In any case, I don't think it matters under what situation he reacts homophobically. I don't want to play a homophobic Hawke. And it doesn't even make sense that a Hawke who flirts first would react in a homophobic way...I mean, that's some hypocrisy on his part lol. 

 

I can understand people finding an aggressive (and possibly homophobic) sounding Hawke to be annoying if they were choosing all diplomatic responses and didn't want to end up flirting with Anders.

 

But, that being said, I think people are really overreacting with this.  You can avoid flirting with him.  You can avoid all rivalry points.  Just not together without an aggressive line from Hawke.  Even if you do end up with rivalry points, you more than make up for those points elsewhere with Anders.  I don't understand the big deal.  I can't tell you how many lines I hate from both Shepard and Hawke, but I've decided that either: a.) I choose those lines and shrug it off; or b.) I don't choose those lines and take whatever rivalry/renegade/whatever points come with it. 

 

I do agree that the people who complain that the characters are independent thinkers and should not be "playersexual" and have minds of their own and blah blah blah.......those people should like this.  This is a notoriously moody character whose entire storyline is his slow descent from jovial carefree guy to obsessed and reactionary activist.  Why again are people surprised that he doesn't respond well to your rejection of him?

 

Yeah, it did bother me that Hawke reacts like that, so I simply chose not to pick those options. I actually like that Anders gets upset and gives me rivalry points because I'd expect nothing less of him given his character progression. In any case, many who complained about this back then weren't complaining as much because Hawke was rude/homophobic etc., many seemed just upset that a guy dare hit on their dude Hawke.

 

The only thing I know for sure is that it's going to probably be a long time before the writers decide ever again to have the companion hit on the player first.

 

I hate this and because I think this will extend only to male s/s flirts. No one complains that Isabella hits on their fem Hawke after all.

[9TailsFox]

Hmm it's really not how I remember it but then again it's been a while since I last played DA2 so maybe I'm mistaken. In any case, I don't think it matters under what situation he reacts homophobically. I don't want to play a homophobic Hawke. And it doesn't even make sense that a Hawke who flirts first would react in a homophobic way...I mean, that's some hypocrisy on his part lol. 

 

 

Yeah, it did bother me that Hawke reacts like that, so I simply chose not to pick those options. I actually like that Anders gets upset and gives me rivalry points because I'd expect nothing less of him given his character progression. In any case, many who complained about this back then weren't complaining as much because Hawke was rude/homophobic etc., many seemed just upset that a guy dare hit on their dude Hawke.

 

 

I hate this and because I think this will extend only to male s/s flirts. No one complains that Isabella hits on their fem Hawke after all.

Mostly like me was confused. "when did you started like man to?" Because in Awakening he only talk about Andrastes booty. But David already explained it.

And I think responses are fine we have positive, neutral, and negative. I don't understand why people not happy they can just Anders to f... off. And when be sad they get rivalry points  . And I am fine with "I am hungry" option. Yes it would be nice to have more when 3 responses but like I said 3 we have covers all we need. Positive, "neutral", insulting.

[Ina]

Mostly like me was confused. "when did you started like man to?" Because in Awakening he only talk about Andrastes booty. But David already explained it.

And I think responses are fine we have positive, neutral, and negative. I don't understand why people not happy they can just Anders to f... off. And when be sad they get rivalry points  . And I am fine with "I am hungry" option. Yes it would be nice to have more when 3 responses but like I said 3 we have covers all we need. Positive, "neutral", insulting.

 

Er...I'd rather not get into the whole Anders was/wasn't bi in Awakening thing again lol. I've said enough on that topic in the 3 months since I've stopped lurking.

 

Also we're not talking about the post sex scene where it's also possible to reject Anders. We're talking about the post Karl scene. And my issue isn't that he gave me rivalry, my issue is Hawke acts homophobic and that's not a Hawke I'm interested in playing. So I dealt with it by just never putting my Hawke in a position where he had to reject Anders.

[9TailsFox]

Er...I'd rather not get into the whole Anders was/wasn't bi in Awakening thing again lol. I've said enough on that topic in the 3 months since I've stopped lurking.

 

Also we're not talking about the post sex scene where it's also possible to reject Anders. We're talking about the post Karl scene. And my issue isn't that he gave me rivalry, my issue is Hawke acts homophobic and that's not a Hawke I'm interested in playing. So I dealt with it by just never putting my Hawke in a position where he had to reject Anders.

I am not going into it i write David explained it in one off blogs. I am talking post Karl. and you don't need to pick "homophobic" you can pick other. I am not interested in playing aggressive Hawke so I never picked aggressive/direct options except then Hawke mother die. 

[Ina]

I am not going into it i write David explained it in one off blogs. I am talking post Karl. and you don't need to pick "homophobic" you can pick other. I am not interested in playing aggressive Hawke so I never picked aggressive/direct options except then Hawke mother die. 

 

Trouble is there is only one choice. The other two options were both flirts. If I didn't want to flirt with Anders and start a romance, my only option was to act in a homophobic manner. This would not be an issue if the homophobic rejection was instead a normal rejection. 

[9TailsFox]

Trouble is there is only one choice. The other two options were both flirts. If I didn't want to flirt with Anders and start a romance, my only option was to act in a homophobic manner. This would not be an issue if the homophobic rejection was instead a normal rejection. 

I could be wrong, play long time but I am sure. I picked humorous response and when Anders said something "I am sorry dos it make you uncomfortable I will stop"  and then Hawke just said yes. Maybe it's different options for Female. Recently I play Female Hawke who romanced Anders so I not rejected him but pick all flirts options. But when I played male Hawke I am sure never offended Anders.

Except Fenris when he don't like me because I am mage I just pick sarcastic responses I don't care I hurt what idiot feelings.   But he still was Hawke friend, what can I say I help everyone.

But yes 3 choices is limiting in DA:O then we have 3x3 was much better and no one care Zevran hitting on male because we have all responses we need positive, neutral, and insulting.

[Ina]

I could be wrong, play long time but I am sure. I picked humorous response and when Anders said something "I am sorry dos it make you uncomfortable I will stop"  and then Hawke just said yes. Maybe it's different options for Female. Recently I play Female Hawke who romanced Anders so I not rejected him but pick all flirts options. But when I played male Hawke I am sure never offended Anders.

Except Fenris when he don't like me because I am mage I just pick sarcastic responses I don't care I hurt what idiot feelings.   But he still was Hawke friend, what can I say I help everyone.

 

It's also been a long time since I played so it's possible I'm also remembering wrong. But I think the three options were No (reject), Yes (flirt) and I don't mind (flirt). It was same on both genders. 

[9TailsFox]

It's also been a long time since I played so it's possible I'm also remembering wrong. But I think the three options were No (reject), Yes (flirt) and I don't mind (flirt). It was same on both genders. 

I don't remember what you write I get.

(End romance) Yes.  (+10) (Conversation ends)
(Flirt) No.  (+10) female (to Choice 4.1) /  (+5) male (to Choice 4.2)
(Flirt) It's.. unexpected.  (+10) (to Choice 4.1 or 4.2)

 

http://dragonage.wik.../Talk_to_Anders

[Ina]

I don't remember what you write I get.

(End romance) Yes.  (+10) (Conversation ends)
(Flirt) No.  (+10) female (to Choice 4.1) /  (+5) male (to Choice 4.2)
(Flirt) It's.. unexpected.  (+10) (to Choice 4.1 or 4.2)

 

http://dragonage.wik.../Talk_to_Anders

 

Right. So if I'm not mistaken it's the end romance one that leads to a Hawke reacting badly. Maybe I'm wrong cos there's this other poster saying Hawke only responds homophobically if you flirt with him then reject him but not if you don't. All I know is I remember seeing a Hawke reaction that felt homophobic and I usually tried to avoid that choice when possible.

[Bugsie]

Yes it's the last one that gains the most rivalry points and is quite aggressive. But you have to go through more than one flirt to get to that option.

And it's a matter of simply just - if you don't want to romance him, don't go down the flirt path!

[9TailsFox]

Right. So if I'm not mistaken it's the end romance one that leads to a Hawke reacting badly. Maybe I'm wrong cos there's this other poster saying Hawke only responds homophobically if you flirt with him then reject him but not if you don't. All I know is I remember seeing a Hawke reaction that felt homophobic and I usually tried to avoid that choice when possible.

If you pick yes Hawke just say yes nothing more. And if you saying it shouldn't be in gave then I do not agree. it should this game about options and at least DA:O did it perfect like religion maker You can be Andrastian be neutral or insult everyone how stupid they are for believing in maker. And biggest problem in DA2 is you don't know what you saying, It is biggest problem in DA2 for me, and looks like they not solved it in DA:I. Bioware just explain what action we pick, really they think we so stupid. Problem is not we don't know we siding with mages or templars. Problem is like you say: You pick No but Hawke say: I hate all gay and they all must burn in Fade. It would be much better, if line was written all, so who want to pick it, pick it, who don't don't. And I am sorry I again starting on how horrible thing is dialogue wheel. But it would really solve this problem if we have full text.

[CuriousArtemis]

Right. So if I'm not mistaken it's the end romance one that leads to a Hawke reacting badly. Maybe I'm wrong cos there's this other poster saying Hawke only responds homophobically if you flirt with him then reject him but not if you don't. All I know is I remember seeing a Hawke reaction that felt homophobic and I usually tried to avoid that choice when possible.

You're not wrong. It's a rude rejection -- WITHOUT FLIRTING FIRST.

[happy_daiz]

I'm just happy that there ARE romance options in the first place.

[IamTheXena]

I'm beyond happy with so many romance options available in the game, thanks Bioware.

 

I do breathe a quiet sigh of despair at not being able to romance Cassandra with my Female Inquisitor, but I will simply have to create a male one for later play through if her character appeals to me in game as much as it does from DA:2 and the trailers for Inquistion, lol. 

 

What I really look forward to is all of the new dialogue and seeing how far the writers have come in developing all of the characters into realistic personalities... seeing if DA:I can draw me into the story the way Commander Shepherd did... come on November 18th.

[RINNZ]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the situation. It's difficult because not only am I incredibly disappointed by my options, but the way in which those options were communicated to us all has been pretty unfortunate. So it's hard to set that aspect of the situation aside, but I'll try...

 

So I think if they had stuck with the 2/2/2 scenario that they were working with a little over a year ago then I still would've been unhappy but I wouldn't have had much reason to complain. (Sure, I could make the argument that I don't like who was assigned what sexuality, but that's getting into the minutiae.)

 

It's the adding on of the two straight female options that kind of messes things up (which I think is what a lot of people are feeling frustrated about here).

 

They had extra time, so they wanted to give us a few more romances. That's really awesome of them!

 

They were so focused on fairness initially, though, so I wonder why they threw that to the wind?

 

If time and money was an issue (and that is the reason, we're told, why Solas and Cullen are straight and race-gated, even if the race-gating has been worked into the storyline), then why give us two straight romances? Why not one bi romance?

 

A bi elf-only Solas, and no Cullen at all, would have hurt a lot less, I think.

 

I would add that, alternatively, we could have had a bi Vivienne instead of Solas, but there are allegedly story reasons as to why Vivienne is not a romance option. Same with Varric.

 

Or bi human- and elf-only Cullen, no Solas. I seriously doubt there are major differences between the elf and human romances; my guess would be that they are both allowed because they are about the same height, so that's less work in terms of cinematics. It just happens to match up with Cullen's past history of being interested in both Surana and Amell. 

 

Only additional cost in terms of time and money with making one bisexual extra option, as opposed to two straight options, would be bringing in the male voice actors and also any cinematic issues (making the models mash up right when hugging, kissing, etc. takes place).

 

My conclusion to all of this would be... if making one bi option was too time-consuming and cost preventative, then there should have been no extra love interests at all!

 

EDIT: A couple more thoughts.

 

1. I hope not to see anymore complaints about the number of options for straight men. Every time I read a complaint like that my eyes get huge and I just shake my head.

 

2. I hope next go-around they return to all bi love interests. I think it has (understandably) meant a LOT to some gamers to have Sera and Dorian. So that has been massive, and I tip my hat to the team But it sure has also caused a lot of disappointment and heartache. I think the former outweighs the latter at present, but for DA4, it would be nice to go back to all bi... hopefully by then seeing a gay character in a video game won't be such an earth-shattering event. Gay and lesbian characters can populate the surrounding world as NPCs (and have their sexuality be obvious and perfectly natural and part of the storyline). That way we'd have inclusion as well as choice.

 

Just some thoughts ^^

I don't think a bisexual Solas would even work with his character...you know, pro-elf recreation and all?

[Natashina]

I don't think a bisexual Solas would even work with his character...you know, pro-elf recreation and all?

A gay Solas wouldn't work for that reason.  A bisexual Solas would.  Bisexual doesn't mean almost gay, nor does it nor does it preclude monogamy, parenthood, or anything of the like.  It means one thinks both genders are attractive on sexual and emotional level.  

 

Solas being bi would not have precluded him (or the writers) from having a child with a female PC or from adopting an elven child and raising it with another male elf.   Not all elven children are automatically found by the Dalish or by the elves of the city.   Some get lost and abandoned, like any other race.

 

That "but for the elven race" argument as a whole is silly anyways.   I'm betting that Morrigan's kid is the first and last child that directly comes into play for the PC in any DA games.