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[Super Drone]

Just realize, that if they were all Bi, the devs said there would only be 4 LI. (and perhaps less companions, which seem correlated somehow)

So it would probably be: Cassandra, Dorian, Josephine, and Iron Bull.

 

Cullen and Solas would not have been available at all since they were added afterward. Vivienne, not being a romance now, would not have been. And the options would be much more restricted for everyone due to a lack of variety.

It would probably be Sera in the last female slot. Which may have made some straight guys happier as there's another Companion option. And the girls would get Cass, so that would have been another upset smoothed over.

[Ryzaki]

I didn't get an Acheivement for Romancing Aerie in Baldur's Gate 2. It was still a Romance arc.  Sebastian's arc is fairly hard to trigger, if I recall. Just because people didn't like it doesn't mean it doesn't count (sound familiar?  )

 

considering you didn't get an achievement for romancing anyone in BG2 lousy comparison is lousy.

 

And there's a difference in not liking  a fully fledged romance arc (like I dislike Zevran's I would never say however I only got one choice as a straight female in DAO. Just because I didn't like the choice didn't mean it wasn't there) and a arc that's practically nonexistent (Allers).

[Super Drone]

considering you didn't get an achievement for romancing anyone in BG2 lousy comparison is lousy.

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That's my point. Judging whether a Romance is a romance through the acheivement system is silly. Romances existed before Acheivements.

[Lennard Testarossa]

Dear god, will you please stop whining about the number of 'options' you get. And no, I don't just mean you as a straight male, I also mean gay males, straight females and gay females. RPGs aren't dating sims.

 

I personally think that both 'romance options' for straight guys are pretty much the visually least attractive ones that Bioware has ever done. This isn't a problem with the number of options, it's a problem with the selection offered. I'd be okay with one option, if that option were someone like Morrigan, Liara, Miranda or Isabela. Sad day for me, I suppose.

[Mihura]

Everyone in this topic cannot complain about this if in previews games they did not advocate for fairness. I am tried of this type topics. Calling Cass and others female character ugly just because you cannot romance others. Bioware left the all bi romances because people did not wanted them, the only ones that seems cool with it, were the ones that got screw in the past in therms of having no romances at all cofMEcof. 

 

You guys have to deal with it and move on.

[Uirebhiril]

Right, we go far enough back and there aren't achievements at all. I'm basing this on the current games that do offer them. Sebastian is considered a romance, but the idea it was some valued extra is a bit of a stretch. Some people liked Sebastian's arc. Many others did not. It still counts in its own way. But bringing that up as why it's "unfair" the devs decided to write their current characters the way they did is likewise a lousy comparison.

[Melca36]

As we all know there are 3 romances avalible for any female race 1 romance avalible for only elven female and 2 romances that are avalible for both males and females, and 2 romances avalible for male only, here is a list of straight biusexual and homosexual,

 

Straight Males: Josephine, Cassandra

 

Straight Females: Solas(Elf only) Cullen, Iron Bull, Blackwall.

 

Homosexual Males: Iron Bull, Dorian.

 

Homosexual Females: Sera, Josephine.

 

Okay so for me at least the romance options are really dissapointing, Especially for Straight Males, Why there are only 2 romances in Straight males section and in straight female there are 4, first of all I am NOT Antigay, nor Antifemales, But Really! I'm starting to like the biesexual idea from the past 2 games, then everyone were happy, exept Dwarves but thats a total diffrent story, for example if Bioware have putted Viv as a romancable option there were 3 Male romances and 3 female romances for the straight I mean of course, but whats done is done, and belive me I am not the opnly person that is dissapointed by it, and becouse I don't want this game to be delayed again so hey why not a romance dlc? We all know you cannot create another character another story ETC in 1month and a bit, Please bioware thing about it! make the romance options more equalliy, and if you do that already put another 2 romonces for both homosexual males and females and straight males, or put new romance but bisexual like josephine, for me as I've said its really dissapointion if it'll stay like that i'll just don't romance anyone, which is sad, I mean like, Antivans are not my type nor cassandra lol, and I'm sure there are plenty of pepole who thing like me, now about a dlc, its sad too to see you put a dlc for equalizing romances that we'll need to pay for, and I dont know if you are not doing this kind of DLC right now.

 

You can't get everything you want in this world. Its part of life. And for years straight men have GOTTEN IT ALL.   Times are changing. Its not 2000. Its 2014.    Games can't be the same.

 

You have issues with how the female characters look because you have been conditioned to accept a preconceived notion of what beauty is.  Again...the world does not work that way.   You need to accept it. 

[karushna5]

possibly, I really wasn't sure about Josie and Iron Bull I just eventually assumed they are the Bisexual companions anyway and it seems strange to exclude them out of the Bisexual romances. Cass was obvious she is important to the plot. And we all knew Dorian was a LI as soon as we saw him. Pretty sure Iron Bull would still have it over Blackwall since he has had way more coverage, so it just made since both Bisexuals would be up there. Also I think they really wanted the difference in behaviour from Cass and Josephine for Guys and Sera and Josephine for the Gals. one reason I felt straight women got more options is because Iron Bull and Blackwall are somewhat more similar compared to everyone else's options.

[Lennard Testarossa]

Calling Cass and others female character ugly just because you cannot romance others.

 

I call her unattractive (not ugly) because I find her unattractive, not because I cannot romance others. In fact, I also find Sera to be rather unattractive, so her being 'available' wouldn't really help.

 

 

You have issues with how the female characters look because you have been conditioned to accept a preconceived notion of what beauty is.

 

You can't possibly be serious.

[Super Drone]

Right, we go far enough back and there aren't achievements at all. I'm basing this on the current games that do offer them. Sebastian is considered a romance, but the idea it was some valued extra is a bit of a stretch. Some people liked Sebastian's arc. Many others did not. It still counts in its own way. But bringing that up as why it's "unfair" the devs decided to write their current characters the way they did is likewise a lousy comparison.

 

Fairness wasn't mentioned in my statement at all. I just pointed out Straight Females got an extra Romance last game too.

 

Maybe Bioware's decided that the Romance resources are better utilized targetting their straight female audience, since straight guys will buy the game anyway, and LGBT fans are mostly just happy to have options at all. As a straight guy who likes the Romances, that would make me sad. But I wouldn't say it's unfair, or that Bioware is wrong.

 

I just have to keep my fingers crossed that the next game, they'll at least shuffle the character archetypes around. David Gaider writes mostly straight girls (when he writes girls). I have only ever liked one female Romance he's ever written. Which leads me to think one of my options will always be one I won't like.

[BartDude52]

So, if straight men have a complaint about the romance options it's 'whining', yet I'd guarantee that if the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. straight men were getting four options and everyone else was only getting two) and everyone else was complaining instead, their complaints would be justified, wouldn't they? Am I right, folks?

 

Yes, we have two options (just like we've always had ), but in the previous two games there were only four characters that could be romanced, so not having more than two options was understandable. In this game there are eight characters that can be romanced yet we still have only two options, which is a bit annoying when you consider that pretty much every other group has had their options increased since Origins.

 

Personally, I would have made Sera bisexual and Vivienne a straight romance option, thus straight people would have four options, bisexuals six options, and gay people two options. That, to me at least, is the perfect balance without taking away any of the current romance options. And just for the record, I do actually like the two options that I've got, I'm just annoyed that there aren't more options to choose from (all things considered).

 

All in all though, I'm not that annoyed by Bioware's choice of romance options (I was a little disappointed when they announced all of the options, yes, but I wasn't angry/upset or anything like that), it's only a minor gripe for me. I'm still going to buy the game even if the choice of romance options isn't exactly what I'd hoped it to be (romancing someone is optional after all). So, no, I'm not whining by any stretch of the imagination.

[Uirebhiril]

So, if straight men have a complaint about the romance options it's 'whining', yet I'd guarantee that if the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. straight men were getting four options and everyone else was only getting two) and everyone else was complaining instead, their complaints would be justified, wouldn't they? Am I right, folks?

 

 

People have complained over just about everything involving the characters. This one is gay, that one is straight, she's ugly, he's race-gated. And for the most part they have been told a variation of the same thing: sorry about that, but it is what it is. Accept it and move on. There's going to be a lot more to the game than what character can be romanced. You may even find yourself liking a character you had already written off, or that the one you were hoping for is an insufferable jerk. When hopes are dashed and personal desires turn into thread after thread that contain rude behavior and commentary, it's gone too far, don't you think?

[Mihura]

I call her unattractive (not ugly) because I find her unattractive, not because I cannot romance others. In fact, I also find Sera to be rather unattractive, so her being 'available' wouldn't really help.

 

 

 

You can't possibly be serious.

 

I was not talking to you specifically, I was talking about this type of topics going on in general and always ending up calling female character ugly. 

 

So, if straight men have a complaint about the romance options it's 'whining', yet I'd guarantee that if the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. straight men were getting four options and everyone else was only getting two) and everyone else was complaining instead, their complaints would be justified, wouldn't they? Am I right, folks?

 

Yes, we have two options (just like we've always had ), but in the previous two games there were only four characters that could be romanced, so not having more than two options was understandable. In this game there are eight characters that can be romanced yet we still have only two options, which is a bit annoying when you consider that pretty much every other group has had their options increased since Origins.

 

Personally, I would have made Sera bisexual and Vivienne a straight romance option, thus straight people would have four options, bisexuals six options, and gay people two options. That, to me at least, is the perfect balance without taking away any of the current romance options. And just for the record, I do actually like the two options that I've got, I'm just annoyed that there aren't more options to choose from (all things considered).

 

All in all though, I'm not that annoyed by Bioware's choice of romance options (I was a little disappointed when they announced all of the options, yes, but I wasn't angry/upset or anything like that), it's only a minor gripe for me. I'm still going to buy the game even if the choice of romance options isn't exactly what I'd hoped it to be (romancing someone is optional after all). So, no, I'm not whining by any stretch of the imagination.

 

At least you are honest because that sounds really unfair to me. Complaining about the options I do not want, is not the same as complaining about no choices like in Mass Effect, SWTOR or really few ones like DA:O, Jade Empire.

Most of people that had no romantic options want for everyone to be in equal footing. It seems that is not true for who always had the privilege of having choices. Now some people have less romances and somehow start to see how shitty it is but could care less for others? nice.

[OptionFour]

I apologize, I lumped this thread into the multitude of other threads complaining about how BioWare is "ignoring" its' "main demographic" the straight white man. The OP seems polite and didn't mention race, I'm just tired of seeing this kind of thing.

 

Apology accepted. Its just that I'm tired of seeing that kind of thing, too. Very tired.

 

That said, if it were any other group that had been left holding the short end of the stick, no one would get so up in arms about their complaints. Your argument of 'straight males are usually favoured, so this time it doesn't matter' . . . well, I do hear what you're saying. But consider what that sounds like to a straight male. You're saying "You can get that content elsewhere". Which just makes me think "You know, you're right. I can get that elsewhere - maybe one of those other places is where I'll spend my money instead."

 

Granted, its not a serious issue for me personally, and I hadn't made up my mind about buying the game one way or the other anyway. The hypocrisy sucks, though. I'm on board with more romance options for any group that's holding the short end of the stick. In this case that include straight males. Why is it now suddenly not okay to want options for people?

Feels like there is a fair touch of schadenfreude going on with this issue some days. Its unsettling, and I hope I'm wrong.

[daveliam]

Apology accepted. Its just that I'm tired of seeing that kind of thing, too. Very tired.

 

That said, if it were any other group that had been left holding the short end of the stick, no one would get so up in arms about their complaints. Your argument of 'straight males are usually favoured, so this time it doesn't matter' . . . well, I do hear what you're saying. But consider what that sounds like to a straight male. You're saying "You can get that content elsewhere". Which just makes me think "You know, you're right. I can get that elsewhere - maybe one of those other places is where I'll spend my money instead."

 

Granted, its not a serious issue for me personally, and I hadn't made up my mind about buying the game one way or the other anyway. The hypocrisy sucks, though. I'm on board with more romance options for any group that's holding the short end of the stick. In this case that include straight males. Why is it now suddenly not okay to want options for people?

Feels like there is a fair touch of schadenfreude going on with this issue some days. Its unsettling, and I hope I'm wrong.

 

I can only speak for me personally, but I definitely don't have any schadenfreude going on with my thoughts.  I am disappointed that Bioware had a chance to make it even and chose not to.  They have their reasons and they are devs so I respect that this is their right, but it doesn't lessen my disappointment.

 

That being said, since it has to be uneven, I would prefer if the group getting "bonus" content was not the group(s) that almost always get the "bonus" content.  It would be nice to see that "bonus content" (given that it's just a "bonus", right?) spread around a bit.  However, it seems like that is a pipe dream on my end at this point.

 

I think there is a fundamental difference between a majority group not getting majority options in a small number of cases versus a minority group not getting majority options in any cases.  Those are not really comparable situations, yet many people in the majority (in this case, straight guys) immediately make the comparison as soon as they are not receiving majority options.  I think that this is where the frustration lies that I think you (and other guys) are picking up on.  It's very frustrating to be told for years by the majority to just deal with it and be happy with any representation that I receive and then be told by members of that very same demographic that being treated the same as me is "unfair".  To me, that's where the hypocrisy lies. 

 

All that being said, if there are any LGB forum members who are actively reveling in the misfortune of "straight guys" because they are complaining about their options, well those LGB forumites are wrong, in my opinion. 

[Ryzaki]

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That's my point. Judging whether a Romance is a romance through the acheivement system is silly. Romances existed before Acheivements.

 

Aerie has as long as path as anyone else in BG (might be shorter than Jaheira's but hers was overly long). She has an epilogue, you can have a baby with her, hitting on someone else doesn't suddenly make all her romance dialogue disappear, she has an epilogue like every other romanced LI. She reacts to every other scene every other LI reacts to.

 

I mean...there's not a gaping lack of content with her in comparison.

[Super Drone]

Aerie has as long as path as anyone else in BG (might be shorter than Jaheira's but hers was overly long). She has an epilogue, you can have a baby with her, hitting on someone else doesn't suddenly make all her romance dialogue disappear, she has an epilogue like every other romanced LI. She reacts to every other scene every other LI reacts to.

 

I mean...there's not a gaping lack of content with her in comparison.

Did Sebastian have a gaping lack of content? I mean you don't do the naughty, but that's because of his vows. You kiss him in the rivalry path, people comment on your relationship, you have scenes with convsersations about it. It may not be super important to the plot, and heck the actual Romance content might clock in at less actual screen-time minutes, but just the description of it tells me it's more than a flirt line in a dialogue.

[Ryzaki]

Did Sebastian have a gaping lack of content? I mean you don't do the naughty, but that's because of his vows. You kiss him in the rivalry path, people comment on your relationship, you have scenes with convsersations about it. It may not be super important to the plot, and heck the actual Romance content might clock in at less actual screen-time minutes, but just the description of it tells me it's more than a flirt line in a dialogue.

 

Did you not see the video showing both rivalry and friendship of his romance? I mean short yeah but I'm pretty sure he's at least half the length of the other romances.

 

And he doesn't comfort you after all the remains, (FFS if you have no romance Aveline does this much) he has no jealousy banters with any other LI, he doesn't trigger the achievement, you can only trigger his route by not hitting a flirt option ever. (even if it's one of the innocent ones). I mean yeah females got an extra option but can we not act like he was an option on par with Anders, Fenris, Isabela and Merrill?

[Super Drone]

Did you not see the video showing both rivalry and friendship of his romance? I mean short yeah but I'm pretty sure he's at least half the length of the other romances.

 

And he doesn't comfort you after all the remains, (FFS if you have no romance Aveline does this much) he has no jealousy banters with any other LI, he doesn't trigger the achievement, you can only trigger his route by not hitting a flirt option ever. (even if it's one of the innocent ones). I mean yeah females got an extra option but can we not act like he was an option on par with Anders, Fenris, Isabela and Merrill?

 

But he was an extra option.

 

And now there are two more...

 

I just find the coincidence interesting.

[Ryzaki]

But he was an extra option.

 

And now there are two more...

 

I just find the coincidence interesting.

 

He was a lite romance at best.

 

This time hopefully we actually have two full fledged extra options.

 

I'm not sure why. Straight males have had twice as more options than straight females in plenty of BW games. I'm talking about full fledged options not Seb and Allers/Kelly garbage. (Baldur's Gate 2, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, ME3 where they couldn't even just leave FemShep's options alone they had to freaking nullify them cause ra forbid they give them a line or two of romance dialogue and have other people mention them and call it a day. Somewhat fixed for Thane in Citadel thankfully.) Now they're not on top and people are finally realizing it kind of sucks to have less options than someone else. Alas they couldn't be bothered to care when the ones with less options weren't them.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

He was a lite romance at best.

 

This time hopefully we actually have two full fledged extra options.

 

I'm not sure why. Straight males have had twice as more options than straight females in plenty of BW games. I'm talking about full fledged options not Seb and Allers/Kelly garbage. (Baldur's Gate 2, Jade Empire, Mass Effect) Now they're not on top and people are finally realizing it kind of sucks to have less options than someone else. Alas they couldn't be bothered to care when the ones with less options weren't them.

For Mass Effect, really only Mass Effect 3 was guilty of that.

Mass Effect 1 had 1 male-only LI, 1 female-only LI, and 1 both gender LI. 

Mass Effect 2 had 3 male-only LI, and 3 female-only LI. 

[Super Drone]

He was a lite romance at best.

 

This time hopefully we actually have two full fledged extra options.

 

I'm not sure why. Straight males have had twice as more options than straight females in plenty of BW games. I'm talking about full fledged options not Seb and Allers/Kelly garbage. (Baldur's Gate 2, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, ME3 where they couldn't even just leave FemShep's options alone they had to freaking nullify them cause ra forbid they give them a line or two of romance dialogue and have other people mention them and call it a day. Somewhat fixed for Thane in Citadel thankfully.) Now they're not on top and people are finally realizing it kind of sucks to have less options than someone else. Alas they couldn't be bothered to care when the ones with less options weren't them.

 

Well, I would think gay men and lesbians already knew it sucked to have less options, and still get to... just remember it's not only straight guys with less options this time around. It's everyone but straight women.  Lesbians are having to make room for straight guys in the "one of my options is an NPC" boat they were in in ME3.

[Ryzaki]

For Mass Effect, really only Mass Effect 3 was guilty of that.

Mass Effect 1 had 1 male-only LI, 1 female-only LI, and 1 both gender LI. 

Mass Effect 2 had 3 male-only LI, and 3 female-only LI. 

 

Um...some of us don't romance women. Not me I for one don't care but if we're comparing straight female to straight male options yeah you don't exactly count the lesbian option. So it was 2 to 1. BG2 was 3 to 1. And I didn't include ME2 because it was completely even save Kelly who I don't consider an option.

 

Now if you wanna include s/s of course they got the least amount of options regularly (if they even got the one option female players got). I'm not even arguing that.

 

Well, I would think gay men and lesbians already knew it sucked to have less options, and still get to... just remember it's not only straight guys with less options this time around. It's everyone but straight women.  Lesbians are having to make room for straight guys in the "one of my options is an NPC" boat they were in in ME3.

 

I'm mostly comparing straight men to straight women. I probably should've clairifed that.

 

This is true which is why I get the complaints but I'm not sympathetic with it coming from straight males. It sucks when another group has 2x as many options than you. I know this. I've been in that same boat.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Oh dear.  Where to begin?

 

First, you haven't played the game yet, so you can't speak to how "one-minded" Cassandra is.

 

Second, your facts are wrong.  Cassandra's not Orlesian.  Neither was Meredith.  Sorry.

 

Third, you lost almost all credibility when you use derogatory and insulting terms in your post.  I stopped reading part way through because it was clear to me that you weren't actually interested in discussing this in a mature and civilized way.

 

Have a great day.

1)i see and read enought, especially about Cassandra, Lelianna,Cole and Cullen..and Josephine, Bull, Dorian ...Cassandra was before, would be as i wrote and this is her nature what cant be changed...she is unquestioning fanatic templar/seeker of Orlais Chantry and always would be like this

 

2)nope, Cassandra as Lelianna is Orlessian since she was from a very young age( as Meredith but as we know she was born and live in Kirkwal..but still the Orlais Chantry and Templars raised her in Kirkwal who as Starhaven have a very strong influence in city since Qunari wars) raised by Orlais Chantry Templars/Seekers and trained and serve most of her life in Orlais...nothing exept blood make Cassandra Nevarran as with Lelianna who is Ferelden by her parents but was raised by Orlais peoples

 

3)coolstory...bad for you credibility, what is not cared by me.

 

But If you prefer to answer for something so at least carefully read for what you would answer later, cos  you only present yourself as immature and not attentive person and do not start a bullsh*t about "uncivilized ways" because this statement would not make you better a bit. I wrote many things who you do not read and if we would talk about insults, many players was really dissapointed and insulted with those "realistic" "equal" and other "options" and other things what they was given after so many delays and waiting and pre-ordering sinse last of the DA2 DLC.

 

And if we would talk about discussion i think and see that some peoples here and especially you does not care a bit about straight males who have almost nothing,  and hypocritically represent and considerate this as "whinning" , some declare something that "it was fair for them to be limited"...so do not even start this.

 

And this is as i wrote not only about huge lacking of romance option for not so small group of players

[Asdrubael Vect]

For Mass Effect, really only Mass Effect 3 was guilty of that.

 

straight males

 

Tali

 

Straight females

 

Garrus

 

Bisexual

 

liara

 

Kaiden/Ashley

 

Dianna

 

Gays

 

Cortes

 

Lesbians

 

Samantha