From what I'm understanding, he isn't complaining that he's losing that feature, he's saying he'd prefer it. That's my translation anyway. Personally I prefer the setup we have currently. The DA2 model forced them to make the romances bland and same for everyone. Well, that's probably due to rushing/budgets too.
I don't think the DA2 romances were bland but I get that some people didn't like them.
There will never be a game where everyone is happy with their choices.
From what I'm understanding, he isn't complaining that he's losing that feature, he's saying he'd prefer it. That's my translation anyway. Personally I prefer the setup we have currently. The DA2 model forced them to make the romances bland and same for everyone. Well, that's probably due to rushing/budgets too.
I prefer DA2's model myself. Given more time I think it would have been proven itself to be great.
For this set sexuality system, 2/2/2 or 2/4/2 would have been the optimal layouts.
The alternative are Romances that only appeal to a fraction of the target audience. Hence the Cassandra situation we have now.
It has been pointed out that if all romance interests were once again bisexual, we would have a total of four romances available. If you think the complaining about which characters are love interests is bad now, just imagine if it were only Cassandra, Josephine, Blackwall, and Dorian. The moaning would be ridiculous. And more importantly, we would all miss out on the stories the other love interests will tell with their arcs. Who the heck argues against content in a game? Especially one that isn't out yet? And from which you know next to nothing about the characters? So silly.
I don't think the DA2 romances were bland but I get that some people didn't like them.
There will never be a game where everyone is happy with their choices.
the only problem was with "Carl from nowhere" what was not making sense after Anders in DAA
but damn they for 1 year make 4 different romance option for 1 human Hawke who lived in 1 city
It has been pointed out that if all romance interests were once again bisexual, we would have a total of four romances available. If you think the complaining about which characters are love interests is bad now, just imagine if it were only Cassandra, Josephine, Blackwall, and Dorian. The moaning would be ridiculous. And more importantly, we would all miss out on the stories the other love interests will tell with their arcs. Who the heck argues against content in a game? Especially one that isn't out yet? And from which you know next to nothing about the characters? So silly.
Not convinced it would be worse.
Among other things, it would likely be Sera as the fourth, not the NPC (the devs already said the were leery about using a non-companion Romance). This would have appeased the "we only have one Companion Romance" crowd, the girls who wanted Cass, the boys who wanted Sera. The boys who wanted Blackwall (or the girls who play as boys who wanted Blackwall in some cases).
The folks who wanted the other characters might be just as complain-y, but I actually doubt it.
A)short version for those who do not read
1)noone for male non-humans, mages and any non-Orlais, non-Chantry and anti-Templars/Seekers person
2)lack of females and nonhumans in party
3)Its damn 2 Kingdoms and 4 races and we can choose many faction to side and be enemies, and we do not have any companion and advisor who represent dalish, rebellion mages, barbarians like avvars, Orzammar/Kal-Sharok dwarves, Tevinters, Nevarrans...most of our Companions and especially all advisors is one minded to be with Orlais, Orlais Chantry and Templars
4)hope they at least add new companions and romance option in Story DlC
B)no we do not, straight females and bisexuals(i prefer to not count them) have more options and variations
not plan to play as gay or lesbian
Thank you, that's clearer than what you wrote previously. Your English is not terribly good. Of course, you speak English better than I do your native language, so I can't complain. 
1. They have a limited number of characters. We can't expect them to cover every possible subgroup and class, or the party size would be in the dozens.
2. Agreed
3. See #1, plus you haven't played the game yet, you can't possibly know how each of the companions feel about each topic.
4. They are not going to add dlc romance for just one group. nothing in what any of the devs have ever said on this topic would suggest that this ever will be a possibility.
5. Straight female humans and elves maybe. We have the same as everyone but those 2 combinations. They could make all companions straight and Bi people will still have more. You realize this, right? The real question is why does this bother you so much?
6. Good for you. You realize playing a female and romancing Blackwall, Cullen, Solas or Iron Bull is a straight romance right?
I'll be honest, I flat out do not understand the appeal of having every character be bisexual. Well, to be clear, I do understand that everyone wants to have access to everyone. I get that. What I don't get is why people are insisting on having less nuanced characters. The argument that they should just "make" either gay or straight characters bisexual, to me, is an argument that they should change who that person is. I would much rather miss out on my absolute favorite romance option because I'm only willing to play a gay female character than to just ignore the fact that sexual orientation is a part of a persons personality.
if it was 6 bisexual i think it would be much better in such situation
1)Sera
2)Solas
3)Josephine
4)Dorian
5)Vivienne
6)Bull
equal of genders
equal of mages/nonmages
more equal of races/culture, 3 non-humans and 3 humans
the only problem was with "Carl from nowhere" what was not making sense after Anders in DAA
but damn they for 1 year make 4 different romance option for 1 human Hawke who lived in 1 city
This is another argument that I don't understand. What about DAA made it so hard for you to accept that Anders was actually bisexual?
This is another argument that I don't understand. What about DAA made it so hard for you to accept that Anders was actually bisexual?
Because people incorrectly assume that once someone expresses interest in one gender, they are only attracted to that gender unless they immediately follow up their interests with a declaration of bisexuality. It's just amazing to me how few people can wrap their heads around bisexuality.
Why do characters get less nuanced if they are bisexual? Just like straight and gay people bisexuals have a great spectrum of personalities.I'll be honest, I flat out do not understand the appeal of having every character be bisexual. Well, to be clear, I do understand that everyone wants to have access to everyone. I get that. What I don't get is why people are insisting on having less nuanced characters. The argument that they should just "make" either gay or straight characters bisexual, to me, is an argument that they should change who that person is. I would much rather miss out on my absolute favorite romance option because I'm only willing to play a gay female character than to just ignore the fact that sexual orientation is a part of a persons personality.
I'll be honest, I flat out do not understand the appeal of having every character be bisexual. Well, to be clear, I do understand that everyone wants to have access to everyone. I get that. What I don't get is why people are insisting on having less nuanced characters. The argument that they should just "make" either gay or straight characters bisexual, to me, is an argument that they should change who that person is. I would much rather miss out on my absolute favorite romance option because I'm only willing to play a gay female character than to just ignore the fact that sexual orientation is a part of a persons personality.
The response to this is usually "meh, they're fictional characters. The Writer's can make them whatever they want them to be. They chose to make them not bisexual."
This is another argument that I don't understand. What about DAA made it so hard for you to accept that Anders was actually bisexual?
for me it more hard to accept how Merril is bisexual not Anders...Carl not make sense because we never heard about him or that anders have atraction to males..all his dialogues was about females..Carl was unnecessary.
I don't think the DA2 romances were bland but I get that some people didn't like them.
There will never be a game where everyone is happy with their choices.
The biggest problems for me were that they followed the ME model of romances. 3 conversations and sex in the final act (or was it the end of the second act? anyway..) The other being Anders "I'm so traumatized. I had to kill my friend/boyfriend because he was made tranquil. Hey wanna make out?"
The biggest problems for me were that they followed the ME model of romances. 3 conversations and sex in the final act (or was it the end of the second act? anyway..) The other being Anders "I'm so traumatized. I had to kill my friend/boyfriend because he was made tranquil. Hey wanna make out?"
the biggest problem is relationship what is not going anywhere for 10 years and Hawke live with mommy and unckle in the most small manor ever...damn not marriage, no kids...and when the game was not releases there was some words about Champion Hawke dynasty
same was with Cortes..and damn we have plenty of them
The response to this is usually "meh, they're fictional characters. The Writer's can make them whatever they want them to be. They chose to make them not bisexual."
Anyone who has ever for-real written something beyond an erotic Pokemon fanfic is busy smashing their faces into their desk right now.
Why does characters get less nuanced if they are bisexual? Just like straight and gay people bisexuals have a great spectrum of personalities.
I'm not saying they don't. I'm saying that part of a persons personality is based on sexual orientation, because your life experiences differ based on how you identify. If everyone is bisexual, then you are closing off personality options that happen because a person has experienced their life as a gay, straight, trans, etc. person.
The response to this is usually "meh, they're fictional characters. The Writer's can make them whatever they want them to be. They chose to make them not bisexual."
I would argue that people who use this response either don't understand how good writing works, or simply don't care about having fully fleshed out, logical companions.
for me it more hard to accept how Merril is bisexual not Anders...Carl not make sense because we never heard about him or that anders have atraction to males..all his dialogues was about females..Carl was unnecessary.
Perhaps Anders still had feelings for Karl in DAA and simply wasn't interested in the idea of entering into another relationship with a male at that time. Over the years he was able to deal with his feelings and decided that it was okay.
Anyone who has ever for-real written something beyond an erotic Pokemon fanfic is busy smashing their faces into their desk right now.
You saying those can't be sophisticated?
I can only speak for me personally, but I definitely don't have any schadenfreude going on with my thoughts. I am disappointed that Bioware had a chance to make it even and chose not to. They have their reasons and they are devs so I respect that this is their right, but it doesn't lessen my disappointment.
That being said, since it has to be uneven, I would prefer if the group getting "bonus" content was not the group(s) that almost always get the "bonus" content. It would be nice to see that "bonus content" (given that it's just a "bonus", right?) spread around a bit. However, it seems like that is a pipe dream on my end at this point.
I think there is a fundamental difference between a majority group not getting majority options in a small number of cases versus a minority group not getting majority options in any cases. Those are not really comparable situations, yet many people in the majority (in this case, straight guys) immediately make the comparison as soon as they are not receiving majority options. I think that this is where the frustration lies that I think you (and other guys) are picking up on. It's very frustrating to be told for years by the majority to just deal with it and be happy with any representation that I receive and then be told by members of that very same demographic that being treated the same as me is "unfair". To me, that's where the hypocrisy lies.
All that being said, if there are any LGB forum members who are actively reveling in the misfortune of "straight guys" because they are complaining about their options, well those LGB forumites are wrong, in my opinion.
I hear you - I am glad that other people are getting more options. I think its awesome. That has absolutely no bearing on my own lack of options, however.
The problem I have with your statement is that none of it is 'bonus' content, yeah? It is all content that we are effectively paying for if/when we buy the game. None of it is a bonus. Its absolutely the same as every other piece of content in that regard, which we also pay for when we invest in the game. None of it is a personal favour from BioWare, or something they're giving us just 'cause we're neat people. There's no bonus to speak of.
I'd also point out that I never told anyone to 'just deal with it', in all this time. There are people who are not LGB who have still supported, do support, and will continue to support content in that vein. So when I've spent years supporting that content, and hoping that there'd be more of it for the people who love it. So now when myself - or those who feel that way, since again, I'm actually fairly indifferent aside from irritation at the double-standard - ask for help, its really shitty to get an answer of "you told us to deal with it for years, now YOU get to deal with it."
I never did that.
There are lots of people who never behaved in such a tasteless, uncouth way, yeah?
Its equally tasteless and uncouth to assume we did.
the biggest problem is relationship what is not going anywhere for 10 years and Hawke live with mommy and unckle in the most small manor ever...damn not marriage, no kids...and when the game was not releases there was some words about Champion Hawke dynasty
Not all relationships require marriage and babies to be valid. 
And Mama Hawke lived with Hawke, in Hawke's estate. It's perfectly fine to take care of one's elderly relatives. 
Why do characters get less nuanced if they are bisexual? Just like straight and gay people bisexuals have a great spectrum of personalities.
I don't have a quote handy, but at some point one of the writers, David Gaider possibly, said due to Da2's structure they had to downplay the sexual preference aspect of the Da2 characters.
I don't want to misquote but I think it was that they had a limited word budget. Isabela talked about her sexual preferences constantly, but the others each had their own cause, Anti-mage Fenris, Pro-mage Anders and Bloodmage Merril. There was little room for expressions of sexuality for those characters.
It wasn't that bi people are bland and all the same.
The problem I have with your statement is that none of it is 'bonus' content, yeah? It is all content that we are effectively paying for if/when we buy the game. None of it is a bonus. Its absolutely the same as every other piece of content in that regard, which we also pay for when we invest in the game. None of it is a personal favour from BioWare, or something they're giving us just 'cause we're neat people. There's no bonus to speak of.
It's 'bonus' in the sense that it wasn't originally intended to be in the game. They found out they were going to have extra development time, looked at what they could do with it, and added the Cullen and Solas romances. While these two romances are not "less than" the other romances, they wouldn't have happened if not for the extra development time. When people talk about "bonus" romances, this is what they mean.
I hear you - I am glad that other people are getting more options. I think its awesome. That has absolutely no bearing on my own lack of options, however.
The problem I have with your statement is that none of it is 'bonus' content, yeah? It is all content that we are effectively paying for if/when we buy the game. None of it is a bonus. Its absolutely the same as every other piece of content in that regard, which we also pay for when we invest in the game. None of it is a personal favour from BioWare, or something they're giving us just 'cause we're neat people. There's no bonus to speak of.
I'd also point out that I never told anyone to 'just deal with it', in all this time. There are people who are not LGB who have still supported, do support, and will continue to support content in that vein. So when I've spent years supporting that content, and hoping that there'd be more of it for the people who love it. So now when myself - or those who feel that way, since again, I'm actually fairly indifferent aside from irritation at the double-standard - ask for help, its really shitty to get an answer of "you told us to deal with it for years, now YOU get to deal with it."
I never did that.
There are lots of people who never behaved in such a tasteless, uncouth way, yeah?
Its equally tasteless and uncouth to assume we did.
Yeah, I definitely did not intend to imply that all straight guys have told gay and lesbian players to just deal with it. That's 100% inaccurate and I recognize that without question.
The reason why I use "bonus" (in quotes, you'll notice) is because that's how they were rolled out by Bioware. There were "core" romances and "bonus" romances. To me, they are all just romances.
All that being said, if there are any LGB forum members who are actively reveling in the misfortune of "straight guys" because they are complaining about their options, well those LGB forumites are wrong, in my opinion.
Muh....I'm just happy I'm getting to be 1) A female and 2) A lesbian romance . CAN YOU BELIEVE IT ?!?!? 
(yes still in shock)
a side note: So are those who claim 'the straight gamer are the one who fund the majoritee of Bioware income and therefor that alone should give them privilege over everyone else' .
I'm not saying they don't. I'm saying that part of a persons personality is based on sexual orientation, because your life experiences differ based on how you identify. If everyone is bisexual, then you are closing off personality options that happen because a person has experienced their life as a gay, straight, trans, etc. person.
I would argue that people who use this response either don't understand how good writing works, or simply don't care about having fully fleshed out, logical companions.
Perhaps Anders still had feelings for Karl in DAA and simply wasn't interested in the idea of entering into another relationship with a male at that time. Over the years he was able to deal with his feelings and decided that it was okay.
Yes but the life experiences only have meaning if they are show in game, other wise it is just like DA 2.
My problem with games that allow only the player to be other things than straight, is that you seem the only one in the world with that orientation. I really do not remember, without the character being Isabela?(no sure if valid because she only flirts with Zevran and Fenris) or Leliana?(not sure if that counts because her past with Majory seems a little ambiguous and only the DLC show more of that) the companions and npcs being other than straight. Even in DA 2 with a lot of bisexuals all the companions seems to be attract to a different gender.
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