Less people, less natural resource, less money. Ferelden would lose.
You'd think. But Orlias has been trying to conquer Ferelden for generations and the one time they succeed they were eventually driven right back out. Its hard to conquer a people who never surrender. Even if Orlias could reconquered Ferelden, that does not mean the could hold on to it. Orlias has a history of conquests that are lost to rebellion.
You'd think. But Orlias has been trying to conquer Ferelden for generations and the one time they succeed they were eventually driven right back out.
Due to the war being unpopular and the fact that Florian was deposed and his replacement ended the conflict after the battle of River Dane.
In all likelihood Orlais had the resources to keep send gold and troops across the mountains for decades.
Orlias would be weakened by it civil war.
It still maintains the largest collection armed forces in White Thedas.
Ferelden would have more mages on their side because their country is open to giving mages more freedom.
According to what? Retconned events?
Navarra would be on Orlias back side.
Nevarra has its own problems at the moment not to mention Nevarra now has Orlesian supporters in its western flank, its own country couldn't support an armed conflict between Orlais and Nevarra without that coming to bite Nevarra, its hard to fight a war aboard when you have people back home sowing dissent.
Due to the war being unpopular and the fact that Florian was deposed and his replacement ended the conflict after the battle of River Dane.
In all likelihood Orlais had the resources to keep send gold and troops across the mountains for decades.
Except doing so would leave them more vulnerable to Navarran aggression which is why they chose not to do so. It a similar situation to the american revolution. The British has much more resources they could bring to bare but the costs, mounting debt, and the threat of a coming war with France (which did come) is what ultimately made them decide it was better to let go of the American colonies rather than keep fighting.
I really don't think either Alistair or Anora would want to go to war. I doubt Alistair would want to go to war at all even if it would help his country, and I think Anora would prefer to take it over economically rather than militarily.
You'd think. But Orlias has been trying to conquer Ferelden for generations and the one time they succeed they were eventually driven right back out. Its hard to conquere a people who never surrender. Even if Orlias could reconquered Ferelden, that does not mean the could hold on to it. Orlias has a history of conquests that are lost to rebellion.
I don't think they'd hold on to it either but initially they have the advantage. Ferelden is the only country effected by the Blight, the land is tainted meaning they can't grow crops or farm ore, a good number of warriors are dead and it's too soon for the new guys to be fully trained especially against chevaliers.
I believe Ferelden would rise up and find away to kick them back out but on the other side is an empire using an invasion of Ferelden as a way to achieve unity.
Due to the war being unpopular and the fact that Florian was deposed and his replacement ended the conflict after the battle of River Dane.
In all likelihood Orlais had the resources to keep send gold and troops across the mountains for decades.
Because it's not like the Orlesian nobility would ever tire of a second occupation, right? Because the Orlesian people stand to gain so much?
An invasion of Fereldan is just a band-aid, meant to temporarily appease a bunch of childish, fickle troglodytes, while the common people get to pay the toll.
Except doing so would leave them more vulnerable to Navarran aggression
Perhaps back then, it was a different world.
Its a different story today.
Perhaps back then, it was a different world.
Its a different story today.
Not really, Ferelden being hit hard by the blight just means its terrible land for Orlais to hold. It will cost the empire far more than they gain to reconquer Ferelden. The currently Nevarrian leader is old but its unclear just how much control their mage order has nor is it certain how quickly a new leader would emerge. Nevarra is the power it is today from successfully challenging the Orlesian Empire so it would be wise not to underestimate them.
Not really, Feledren being hit hard by the blight just means its terrible land for Orlais to hold. It will cost the empire far more than they gain to reconquer Orlais1,2,3. The currently Nevarrian leader is old but its unclear just how much control their mage order has nor is it certain how quickly a new leader would emerge. 4,5.Nevarra is the power it is today from successfully challenging the Orlesian Empire so it would be wise not to underestimate them.
1.Fereldan has rich sea trade, holding the province was made feasible due to that originally and that was what will make the reconquest worth it.
2.Fortunes will be made, just as they were in the original war.
3.Not to mention it is sitting on a literal mountain of lyrium near the border 
i'd say that's worth the invasion right there.
4.Were you not paying attention to the part were Nevarra rule became unpopular in the western edge of the country, namely what they took from Orlais in their prior confrontation in 8:70 blessed. You cannot rule a country when it finds leadership to another more appealing, beyond that if the secession crisis was clear cut, it wouldn't be a crisis.
5.The only direct heir to the throne doesn't want it.
Ultimately Fereldan it self isn't worth much, but its placement on the map makes it valuable.
And Nevarra can challenge Orlais if it wishes, i will wish them good fortune if they do.
1.Fereldan has rich sea trade, holding the province was made feasible due to that originally and that was what will make the reconquest worth it.
2.Fortunes will be made, just as they were in the original war.
3.Not to mention it is sitting on a literal mountain of lyrium near the border
4.Were you not paying attention to the part were Nevarra rule became unpopular in the western edge of the country, namely what they took from Orlais in their prior confrontation in 8:70 blessed. You cannot rule a country when it finds leadership to another more appealing, beyond that if the secession crisis was clear cut, it wouldn't be a crisis.
5.The only direct heir to the throne doesn't want it.
Ultimately Fereldan it self isn't worth much, but its placement on the map makes it valuable.
And Nevarra can challenge Orlais if it wishes, i will wish them good fortune if they do.
They have the Tevinter Imperium to worry about on the other side. A move by Nevarra in either direction would likely cause them to be caught between the two nations.
They have the Tevinter Imperium to worry about on the other side. A move by Nevarra in either direction would likely cause them to be caught between the two nations.
You are seriously suggesting Tevinter do a MODERN invasion of the seat of the white chantry?
Oh goodness...that actually does have potential.
Nothing to bring everyone together like a stupid ass invasion by a bunch of stuck up mage lords.
And Nevarra can challenge Orlais if it wishes, i will wish them good fortune if they do.
Orlais is going to need a miracle to sustain another long-term occupation post-Inquisition.
Orlais is going to need a miracle to sustain another long-term occupation post-Inquisition.
You might have a point with that.
In all likelihood an invasion of Fereldan will have to be shelved for the next generation.
Hope Gaspard isn't too broken up about it.
Celene got outmaneuvered by Loghain, of his many traits, political savy is not one
Not really, Celene forced Loghain hand because of his suspicions about Orlais influence on Cailan. Which mean she did put Ferelden in the path for civil war in the mist of a blight attack, if were not for your warden, she could had come out as the saviors of Fereldon people with a wave of orlesians wardens and chevaliers to defeat the blight that was ignore by Loaghain.
If Loghain had steady his hand she would still win, with an alliance from Cailan after the blight. I bet Celene could help rebuild the country or even marry him for show.
They have the Tevinter Imperium to worry about on the other side. A move by Nevarra in either direction would likely cause them to be caught between the two nations.
Pretty sure Orlais doesn't have to worry about a Tevinter invasion. That would basically be an open invitation for a renewed qunari offensive against Tevinter itself, and they're barely holding the goat-devils at bay as it is.
Oh, I'm well aware Gaspard is evil.
And no better than Celene in most respects.
How his evil MANIFESTS is different, though.
Celene is an ultra-hippie liberal who will turn on the oppressed she ostensibly champions the moment it's inconvenient.
Gaspard is a brutal autocratic dictator who will turn on his ALLIES even when it's inconvenient for HonorTM.
Gaspard has an alien morality to me but I respect he has integrity.
While Celene has none.
Basically, Gaspard is Sten.
Celene is Anora.
I don't find Celene's vision all that impressive, because I don't really see the policy to accomplish it. And her commitment to short term expediency makes it difficult to see her following a policy with sufficient determination to achieve meaningful results.
Though I'm not really keen on Gaspard, either.
If I was an Orlesian, I'd probably prefer Celene as my ruler. But if I was the Inquisitor, looking for an ally?
I respect Gaspard more and my first inquisitor would certainly lean towards supporting him if the option of a political marriage between the 2 proves untenable.
Masked Empire left me with little time for Celene despite her liberal pretences.
Celene at least has a vision for Orlais. She knows where she wants to go with the country.
Gaspard is an egotist. His vision of Orlais is "I am in charge". He even says so. He doesn't care about Orlais as long as he holds the power. In that respect, he is the direct contrary of Sten, because the Qun holds no regard for the individual, and certainly none to people who are not Kking but do everything thhey are not.
So I am surely team Celene.
Gaspard has a vision for Orlais, it's not a NICE vision but it's a vision.
Gaspard has a desire to re-envision Orlais as a military-based society with honor as its primary characteristic rather than the Game. Basically, Gaspard wants to destroy the Game and get the Orlesians to stop being focused on things like fashion, intrigue, and foppery to instead get back to their badass Emperor Drakon roots.
I imagine his rule would be extremely plain, uncompromising, and punishing of the Game of Thrones-style antics.
yeah but Gaspard is still better than her because he doesn't even claim to care about those elves in the first place
Celene is all pro-elf (just because of Briala really, otherwise she wouldn't give a rats ass about the elves) but she would kill them in a hearts beat if her beloved throne was in danger
I think thats the point where I began to like Gaspard more than Celene
You do realize that at the end of the book after she and Briala are history, she is even more committed to equality for them and making them orlesian citizens.
She's committed to using them as disposable cannon fodder so she can bolster her army.
Gaspard has a desire to re-envision Orlais as a military-based society with honor as its primary characteristic rather than the Game. Basically, Gaspard wants to destroy the Game and get the Orlesians to stop being focused on things like fashion, intrigue, and foppery to instead get back to their badass Emperor Drakon roots.
Gaspard does not want to destroy the game. I'm sorry, but there's no destroying court intrigue in Thedas.
Gaspard does not want to destroy the game. I'm sorry, but there's no destroying court intrigue in Thedas.
I don't think he wants to destroy it, but he makes it clear he would prefer it to be gone.
An invasion of Ferelden would be catastrophically stupid for everyone involved, especially in light of the Civil War and the Veil Tears, even putting aside the ethics of such a thing. This is something I suspect even Gaspard would recognize by the end of the book. One of the reasons I liked him was that he seemed like he was the most self aware of the three players by the end of the book. He seemed like he was less blind to his own faults compared to Celene and Briala.
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