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[Augustei]

Anora says the title of Prince Consort exists in the Dragon Age world.

 

However, the Warden epilogue says he can force the issue.

However, that may be because Anora has no legal claim to the throne other than as Teyrness of Gwaren.

 

Well she was elected by the Landsmeet, which is A strong legal claim and the only one that matters in Ferelden. Since no King has taken the Ferelden throne without being elected first by the Landsmeet. Sure Calenhad forced the issue but he still was elected allowing the precedent to be established.

[Master Warder Z_]

You know I'm honestly curious where this mentality of Gaspard being a "war monger" comes from.

He's called it often.

[Mistic]

You know I'm honestly curious where this mentality of Gaspard being a "war monger" comes from.

He's called it often.

 

According to the Oxford dictionary, a warmonger is a "person who tries to cause a war or who favours war." Gaspard's first appearance in the book is him trying to anger Teagan to cause a war with Ferelden. So yes, the definition is correct,

[Magdalena11]

According to the Oxford dictionary, a warmonger is a "person who tries to cause a war or who favours war." Gaspard's first appearance in the book is him trying to anger Teagan to cause a war with Ferelden. So yes, the definition is correct,

I was pretty interested in that aspect of Gaspard.  He and Celene both realize that with no outside threat to separate them, Orlais' nobility will fight among each other until there's no one left.  Gaspard wants to pick a war with Ferelden, and Celene scolds herself for wishing another blight.  Picking a fight with the neighbors was a tool used by rulers to redirect aggression to someone else.  Got a lot of spare heirs climbing around?  Pin a badge on them and send them to fight whatever just cause will reap the most benefit.  It will keep them occupied so they don't turn to banditry or resort to killing each other.  More subtle rulers have resorted to keeping minor nobles poor by mandating attendance at court and instituting ridiculous fashion trends.

 

Celene and Gaspard have different approaches.  Celene says it with daggers and intrigue, and Gaspard's more the type to just get a bigger axe.  

[fhs33721]

You know I'm honestly curious where this mentality of Gaspard being a "war monger" comes from.

He's called it often.

From the fact that he tried his best to insult a Fereldan noble in order to kill him and provoke  war with Fereldan?

Or maybe because he wants Orlais to be an expansionist empire again as opposed to the cultural center of Thedas it is right now?

Or from the fact that he wanted to go and kill the Dalish clans a few times and only didn't because Celene told him to go kill some Darkspawn instead?

Or maybe because he started a civil war?

 

Take your pick.

 

How anyone can say that he isn't a warmonger is the real question here.

[Master Warder Z_]

According to the Oxford dictionary, a warmonger is a "person who tries to cause a war or who favours war." Gaspard's first appearance in the book is him trying to anger Teagan to cause a war with Ferelden. So yes, the definition is correct,

 

Mmm according to that definition he would be one i suppose if only due to his efforts to attempt to initialization a conflict between Fereldan and Orlais but beyond that, it was done for a nationalistic sentiment to avert a coming even greater crisis.

 

So is the term accurate on the second front?

 

I mean he doesn't seem to "like" war, he has not said anything to the effect that he enjoys conflict, to me the character simply attempted to use it to unify his country, which as people have pointed out isn't exactly an odd notion.

 

So to me the term "warmonger" doesn't seem all that accurate, because to be honest either webster or oxford seem more intent on the aspect of "encouraging" a war regardless of sentiment rather on the front of actually enjoying conflict, that seems at least to me the opposite of what they should define it at as.

 

But then again, i am no scholar i merely have a simple understanding of conflict and human nature relating to it.

[raging_monkey]

Mmm according to that definition he would be one i suppose if only due to his efforts to attempt to initialization a conflict between Fereldan and Orlais but beyond that, it was done for a nationalistic sentiment to avert a coming even greater crisis. So is the term accurate on the second front? I mean he doesn't seem to "like" war, he has not said anything to the effect that he enjoys conflict, to me the character simply attempted to use it to unify his country, which as people have pointed out isn't exactly an odd notion. So to me the term "warmonger" doesn't seem all that accurate, because to be honest either webster or oxford seem more intent on the aspect of "encouraging" a war regardless of sentiment rather on the front of actually enjoying conflict, that seems at least to me the opposite of what they should define it at as. But then again, i am no scholar i merely have a simple understanding of conflict and human nature relating to it.

then out of curousisty and disscusion what would you call him

[Master Warder Z_]

then out of curousisty and disscusion what would you call him

 

A Patriot?

 

Nationalist?

 

Something akin to that, you can grasp quite quickly he does most of what he does because he thinks he will be best for his country.

[Willowhugger]

Warmongers have traditionally been motivated by nationalist, patriotic, economic, or other reasons rather than a desire to wage it for its own sake.

 

So Gaspard is a fairly classic version.

[raging_monkey]

A Patriot? Nationalist? Something akin to that, you can grasp quite quickly he does most of what he does because he thinks he will be best for his country.

perhaps but but patriot seem a bit strong from what i know of the word but i agree he's a nationalist who cares for his country overall just not to fond of his methods

[Willowhugger]

But yes, I think the choice between Celene will mostly be.

 

1. Treacherous ally

 

vs.

 

2. Ally who is going to be waging war on his neighbors.

For Goody-Goody Inquisitors, that will be a hard choice.

[Master Warder Z_]

Warmongers have traditionally been motivated by nationalist, patriotic, economic, or other reasons rather than a desire to wage it for its own sake.

 

Quite, but to me that misses the point of the term.

 

Those who encourage the system of nation states to combat it self for whatever their reasoning ultimately have a reasoning for it as you said doesn't appeal to simply satisfying an enjoyment of battle.

 

But to me? A Warmonger is one who actually does the opposite, they will mask their desire to actually see war for its own sake with other reasons.

 

As i said though, its merely my opinion.

[AshesEleven]

But yes, I think the choice between Celene will mostly be.

 

1. Treacherous ally

 

vs.

 

2. Ally who is going to be waging war on his neighbors.

For Goody-Goody Inquisitors, that will be a hard choice.

 

A war between Ferelden and Orlais will be good.  Will make the Qunari's job easier when they invade.

[Master Warder Z_]

A war between Ferelden and Orlais will be good.  Will make the Qunari's job easier when they invade.

 

Ah one of these days i hope the Qunari run into a man like the Major.

 

I'm sure they would enjoy him.

[The Baconer]

Ah one of these days i hope the Qunari run into a man like the Major.

 

I'm sure they would enjoy him.

 

Are we talking about the vampire Major?

[Master Warder Z_]

Are we talking about the vampire Major?

 

If we are discussing Hellsing's Major it was a well...He wasn't a vampire no.

 

He retained humanity.

 

In fact he despised vampires, he turned down the prospect of becoming one, but we are drifting here.

[raging_monkey]

If we are discussing Hellsing's Major it was a well...He wasn't a vampire no. He retained humanity. In fact he despised vampires, he turned down the prospect of becoming one, but we are drifting here.

he was a cyborg wasnt he it been a few years

[Master Warder Z_]

he was a cyborg wasnt he it been a few years

 

I was trying not to say as such directly but yes.

 

He was injured during the war and had a lot of his internal bits replaced with machinery and technology.

 

Spoiler

 

I mean seriously people call Gaspard a war monger? They need to have a five second chat with this fellow He turned London into a mass grave because he wanted to, not for ulterior motive such as gold or land or power, but because the desire for war, for revenge was what kept him going.

 

Ah...Those golden eyes hid behind them pure unadulterated evil, but it was contained within a human shell, it was unleashed by a human will.

[raging_monkey]

I was trying not to say as such directly but yes. He was injured during the war and had a lot of his internal bits replaced with machinery and technology. 

Spoiler

 I mean seriously people call Gaspard a war monger? They need to have a five second chat with this fellow He turned London into a mass grave because he wanted to, not for ulterior motive such as gold or land or power, but because the desire for war, for revenge was what kept him going. Ah...Those golden eyes hid behind them pure unadulterated evil, but it was contained within a human shell, it was unleashed by a human will.

dudes a monster(metaphorically) both in actions and beliefs

[Master Warder Z_]

dudes a monster(metaphorically) both in actions and beliefs

 

Belief?

 

He believed in nothing save war, which i suppose could be construed as monstrous.

[raging_monkey]

Belief? He believed in nothing save war, which i suppose could be construed as monstrous.

sorry if its a bit simplistic but i didnt know what else to call him. Hehe

[Master Warder Z_]

sorry if its a bit simplistic but i didnt know what else to call him. Hehe

 

Well he said so plainly.

 

He came there to defeat Alucard (which he did) and to honor his soldier's wishes and desire to return to the war of their youth.

 

Beyond that? It was simply him enjoying being in a war again.

 

Spoiler

 

Note the scene at 3:14 if you wouldn't mind.

 

That sign if you cannot read german states "i am a defeatist".

 

Those were presumably members of ODESSA like the Major himself.

[raging_monkey]

Thank you for the insight i never knew what that ment

[Hydwn]

Not meaning to hijack an excellent discussion on Hellsing, but since I knew what the name Celene meant ("heavenly") I was curious what Gaspard meant.

 

It's a real French name, the French form of Casper (no friendly ghosts in the French-speaking world though).  It's the traditional name of one of the three magi who were supposed to have visited Jesus Christ.

 

It's also ship slang for a rat on board a ship.  

 

And it's the title of a famous French novel, about a soldier's memories of World War I.  Somehow that seems most likely as a source, though the idea of "heavenly" versus "rat" is kind of amusing

[Master Warder Z_]

It's been a few years since i had a decent conversation on Hellsing, even online.

 

It never really was popular in any of the anime viewing crowds i was in.

 

And i also didn't know the meaning of Gaspard's name to be honest, although i knew it was likely their pronunciation of a different name.

 

Wasn't guessing "casper though"