With the pro dog lord sentiment on this forum he probably does, but I think Gaspard is mistaken if he thought the circles would have become embroiled in another invasion of Ferelden. I know they were somewhat used against Maric in Stolen throne, but the lore has changed quite dramatically since then.
Wynne does think the Circles will be used but instead they'd be used to put down Civil Disorder.
Which, according to the Masked Empire, would be elves.
Geez, nice job Wynne.
Wynne does think the Circles will be used but instead they'd be used to put down Civil Disorder.
Which, according to the Masked Empire, would be elves.
Geez, nice job Wynne.
Oh! That is a good idea, couple fireballs and i bet those slums would quit rebelling pretty quickly 
Sorry, I forget I'm not talking to academics. George Wallace is famous for his segregationist activities and being one of the most publicly racist politicians of all time. However, it was noted for people who studied his history and later confirmed by his advisors that George originally was anti-segregationalist but lost to segregationalist candidates. He then changed his platform to accomadate the prejudices of the Deep South and was propelled to the Governorship by race-baiting despite the fact everyone agreed this was, essentially, an act.
When the public mood changed, George Wallace claimed a change of heart and devoted himself to improving race-relations and apologizing for his past activities.
Something that people questioned the sincerity thereof.
Which reminds me of Empress Celene. She'll save or kill elves depending on how it benefits her.
I am quite familiar with the revisionist history of the Wallace camp and him claiming he isn't racist because one of his best friends was black. Wallace was what he was and I have read a great deal about the man, and forgive me if I don't buy all the revisionist garbage that isn't supported by other sources. But that is neither here nor there.
Celene at the end of Masked Empire refers to the elves as being not elves but Orlesians just as much as humans. She has a university that she makes admit elves and teaches students that elves are as good as humans. Meanwhile Gaspard flat out says elves aren't equal to humans and never will be.
I am sorry but I don't fault Celene for making sacrifices to stay in power. It is the nature of the beast. I would much rather her burn Halamshiral to the ground and still be in a position to improve the lives of the rest of the Orlesian elves, then appease Brialla and have Gaspard gain more nobles to his cause.
I dunno, George Wallace ran on an anti-segregationist platform and lost heavily.
What people will do to maintain power can be worse than actually believing in it.
Michel, after all, was the most racist chevalier that Brialla ever met.
SpoilerI also respect Gaspard's desire to end the Game.
As mentioned, he's the Stannis of the setting only more politically able.
Addressing the issue of Gaspard: I hope even he knows it's time to call a truce to the Game and deal with problems for a bit. Celene seems willing to address lots of other topics, so I hope he can match her. After reading Asunder and TME, I like him. He seems like a decent person, if you can get past the whole "I'm so angry I'm not the one in charge" thing. He's not. He's a defecation-stirrer. With nothing in hand other than the option to end the war before it began, he offered truce. it is a classic first move, but at least his supporters can say he tried. I'm all for overturning the established system, but I'd like to see a plan in place to fill the vacuum. What's going to happen if he wins and finds out he can't keep the promises he made? Celene won't be bothered, but Gaspard might feel that keeping his word is more important than delivering on random promises and revenge. I would have a tough time with that. Chivalry doesn't teach people to be stupid, but it would be a lot easier if it did.
Oh! That is a good idea, couple fireballs and i bet those slums would quit rebelling pretty quickly
Even Evangeline thinks that was cold-blooded.
Wynne intended to bargain the putting down the rebellions and disorder for more mage rights.
Wow.
Like...I don't know you AT ALL, Wynne.
I am quite familiar with the revisionist history of the Wallace camp and him claiming he isn't racist because one of his best friends was black. Wallace was what he was and I have read a great deal about the man, and forgive me if I don't buy all the revisionist garbage that isn't supported by other sources. But that is neither here nor there.
Celene at the end of Masked Empire refers to the elves as being not elves but Orlesians just as much as humans. She has a university that she makes admit elves and teaches students that elves are as good as humans. Meanwhile Gaspard flat out says elves aren't equal to humans and never will be.
I am sorry but I don't fault Celene for making sacrifices to stay in power. It is the nature of the beast. I would much rather her burn Halamshiral to the ground and still be in a position to improve the lives of the rest of the Orlesian elves, then appease Brialla and have Gaspard gain more nobles to his cause.
Point taken and conceded.
Also, a very good rebuttal.
*claps hands*
Even Evangeline thinks that was cold-blooded.
Wynne intended to bargain the putting down the rebellions and disorder for more mage rights.
Wow.
Like...I don't know you AT ALL, Wynne.
Wynne is a pragmatist and planned to do what the circles have always done. Provide aid in exchange for more rights. Everytime they have come to aid against the blight they have required more freedoms and rights in exchange for their aide.
As a man who supported mage rebellion, I also support
Compromise and diplomatic solutions have reached their limits with elves.
Now it's time for action!
As a man who supported mage rebellion, I also support
Spoiler.
Compromise and diplomatic solutions have reached their limits with elves.
Now it's time for action!
Brialla's a bigger moron then Anders.
Least the Mages can conjure lightning from their fingers.
Elves are just few numbered poppers.
You think it is better to take and hold a city that could be possibly harboring insurgents?
Pfft, as someone who has done that lunacy let me tell you this.
Our invasion would have gone a lot more smoothly if Baghdad had been a pock mark in the sand rather then a city, that had to be taken, and then held against insurgents and then have those insurgents migrate and kill forces at their desire.
Beyond that? The Lesson Celene taught the elves wasn't complete, Gaspard said as much.
Well, in the interests of not going way off topic, I'll just say a man who is willing to slaughter a city full of civilians in order to steal a throne is a ruthless tyrant who I'd never support. Especially when that man has no legitimate claim to the throne. Gaspard may be of royal blood but he has no sound reason to oppose Celene. Disagreeing with how she chooses to rule is not nearly enough reason to commit treason.
Though, I suppose we can all say that the masked empire is a great book considering the varied but strong opinions it stirs in readers.
I am sorry but I don't fault Celene for making sacrifices to stay in power. It is the nature of the beast. I would much rather her burn Halamshiral to the ground and still be in a position to improve the lives of the rest of the Orlesian elves, then appease Brialla and have Gaspard gain more nobles to his cause.
Brialla's a bigger moron then Anders.
Least the Mages can conjure lightning from their fingers.
Elves are just few numbered poppers.
Shes a fool for multiple reason.
Asunder and Masked Empire.
I hate all of the popular characters in those books and love the ones who are supposed to be villainous or shown in a bad light. The supposed heros of those games are Uber frauds.
Brialla's a bigger moron then Anders.
Least the Mages can conjure lightning from their fingers.
Elves are just few numbered poppers.
What are you going to say when the numbered popper you had pegged as ineffectual sells you out to the other team? What happens when the decisive, military action you planned winds up selling your cause to the side you don't favor and alienates you to the one you do? Will you rage because the only logical course of action was to follow the course you set in your head, or will you concede that you might have been premature? There's a lot of room to grow and I celebrate it.
I liked they expanded on it as it made him a more nuanced character.
It's another clue to Empress Celene's character, however.
Prosper died believing Celene would avenge him.
Empress Celene, despite everyone knowing Hawke killed Prosper, doesn't even send an assassin after you.
She just writes it off.
We have no idea if Celene tried to avenge him. Remember that even if Hawke becomes ruler of Kirkwall, he still leaves office shortly afterwards. Celene finding out that the man who killed Prosper is sitting on the kirkwall throne could well be the reason Viscount Hawke fled.
And whos to say anyone knows what happened at Prospers estate. Who was left alive that would tell Celene what happened? She could very well believe that Qunari spys killed Prosper, it would make much more sense than some random marcher doing the deed.
Seriously, if you have trouble with French, people will be able to help. Doesn't a fair part of Canada speak French?
TME is a great book for foreshadowing, and I believe it is best read with Asunder for insight into the coming game. Why not know why you're doing what you are? Google translate is miserable (even knowing as little of French and Spanish as I do), so don't look there. Most of the opinions you get here will be colored by perception of character or location, but at least you can hope the person doing the translating has a bit of context to base it on. Even a fan's guesses are better than translation program's massacres.
If this becomes an issue, maybe a lore resource page might be a cool thing. I can read enough Orlesian to get by, but the subtle stuff is going to get lost because I go more with tone and un-translatable words than literal translation and hearsay. Not that I can think of an instance (I never can,) but saying a woman is an allumeuse (probably serious transgression quoting a French word from memory) is probably much more than a femme fatale. One implies a woman who is alluring and dangerous but drawn thruough her own character flaws and romanticism into tragedy, and the other, a hot chick who's dangerous and knows how to use what she's got.
An allumeuse is a cocktease...
He has an odd set of morals, but his honor is absolute.
This.
First little while he seems to be quite an ahole, but as the story progresses Iwas surprised; one thing he does stand by is his Chevallier code.
And yeah, once you learn more about Celene...
Shes a fool for multiple reason.
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I hope Brialla finds someone better for herself.
Maybe a Female Elf Inquisitor!
NPC romance!
(I expect marrying Gaspard or Celene will be an option like Anora)
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You condemn Celene for choosing to be solely with her childhood lover rather than keeping her around as a mistress while she has a husband that might try to wrestle political control from her? O.o Its the same fear Anora had if you ask to marry her, she wanted certainty that you would not try to usurp her right to rule. Celene's dilemma mirrors real life queens such as Elizabeth I, who likely never married in order to avoid any man trying to usurp her right to rule.
You are also ignoring that Celene was willing and hoping to marry the king of Ferelden in order to peacefully unite the two kingdoms. It might seem to be an absurd idea but lets not forget that in real life, the English and scots were bitter enemies until James VI united the crowns. However, Celene was unwilling to marry an Orlesian noble since likely the benefit to Orlais was not enough to out way her own personal preference to stay single with Bralia.
That said, even if she did marry an Orlesian noble, it was unlikely to stop Gaspard from rebelling since his reason for doing so was to put himself on the throne and he wouldn't be satisfied until he was emperor. Gaspard says himself there is always a way to justified his actions with the code. In other words, he would make up any excuse in order to justify stealing the throne for himself.
Kill Gaspard?!
The Absurdity of such a thought!
Why? He needs to die and so does Briala.
You are also ignoring that Celene was willing and hoping to marry the king of Ferelden in order to peacefully unite the two kingdoms. It might seem to be an absurd idea but lets not forget that in real life, the English and scots were bitter enemies until James VI united the crowns. However, Celene was unwilling to marry an Orlesian noble since likely the benefit to Orlais was not enough to out way her own personal preference to stay single with Bralia.
It's a family legend we're descended from illegitimate children of James VI so, speaking from this silly perspective, things actually got WORSE for the Scotts after the crowns were united.
Why? He needs to die and so does Briala.
No he doesn't!
The elf yes! But Gaspard needs to take the throne!
He will return Orlais to it's glory!
What are you going to say when the numbered popper you had pegged as ineffectual sells you out to the other team? What happens when the decisive, military action you planned winds up selling your cause to the side you don't favor and alienates you to the one you do? Will you rage because the only logical course of action was to follow the course you set in your head, or will you concede that you might have been premature? There's a lot of room to grow and I celebrate it.
What?
Are you claiming that the rabble elves will somehow become an effective military force?
It's a family legend we're descended from illegitimate children of James VI so, speaking from this silly perspective, things actually got WORSE for the Scotts after the crowns were united.
lol, toche.
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