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[Master Warder Z_]

(or give Orlais over entirely to the Dalish if she can). 

 

lol.

[Master Warder Z_]

Gaspard himself, you know the guy who is trying to kill her and replace her at empress, says that he has never been and will never be a match for her in the game.

 

He's probably just being humble.

 

Considering he plays her like a fiddle the entire book.

[Urazz]

He's probably just being humble.

 

Considering he plays her like a fiddle the entire book.

I think part of that was luck actually.  I.E. Gaspard didn't know that Briala and Celene were actually lovers when he had Andraste and Shartan be lovers in that play if I recall (with both parts being played by women).  I think that scene alone probably freaked Celene out as she thought her relationship with Briala was secret and so overcompensated in her next move to try to counter the backlash against her from that play.

 

Either way, it's one thing to play the game to get power, but it's another to keep the power you gained as others will try to steal it from you.

[Master Warder Z_]

I think part of it was luck actually.  I.E. Gaspard didn't know that Briala and Celene were actually lovers when he had Andraste and Shartan be lovers in that play if I recall (with both parts being played by women).  I think that scene alone probably freaked Celene out as she thought her relationship with Briala was secret and so overcompensated in her next move to try to counter the backlash against her from that play.

 

He didn't know, but he did know she was being soft on the elves though.

 

That was hardly a secret, he used it a tool she gave him, and it happened to be more effective then he would have guessed, but never the less.

 

It was a tool Celene gave him because she was soft on elves.

[The Baconer]

I wonder what would happen if a group of elves put on a street performance openly mocking Andraste...

 

I would have pushed the Divine to have the play's performers and those who commissioned it excommunicated. Then I would have them charged with heresy and executed.

[Mihura]

I'm only about two thirds of the way through Masked Empire, but as I keep going I grow to like Gaspard more and more and consequently despise Celene and Briala.

 

The turning point for me was when:

 

Spoiler

Celene and Briala leave the Dalish elves to be butchered by Imshael. Like, what the hell? Even if you don't agree with the Dalish, that's no reason to sanction the complete massacre of their entire clan, women and children included! Even if the Dalish captured Celene and the others, I doubt they would have murdered them. But what do Celene and the others do? Let the entire clan be butchered, because they refuse to help. Then Gaspard comes along, and even he knows that the elves didn't deserve what they got. Even he sees it is a massacre, unlike Celene and even Briala!

 

Yeah, so I'm pretty much becoming Team Gaspard. 

 

You doubt the Dalish would kill them? really?

Spoiler

Clan of Virnehn did summon a "demon" and they seems to hate even Briala who had helped them a lot, so no, Celene and Michel and her did not leave anyone that was deserving of help. They also acted with no regard for life or with little intelligence at all. If there is a thing that I dislike about that clan, is that they were not interested in help the elven as a race but to help themselves.

Having Celene there was a huge bargain chip and they just saw revenge, they lost sight of what Dalish is suppose to be, or Dalish are only concern with revenge and not building a place for their people and recover their culture?

 

Do I blame them, no but I do not see how can you pin that on Celene.

[DragonDroppings]

Either way, my inquisitor could rule Orlais better than the both of them combined. Although, I have a soft spot for Celene.. I don't know why but I just like her.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

lol.

It would be fun. Topple Orlais and give it to the elves! Replace the silly hats with silly wood carvings.

But BioWare seems to have a fetish for slaughtering entire Dalish clans; it's time they gave something back. We will probably be able to hunt them to extinction in DAI... >.>

And while we're on the topic... people need stop referring to Celene's actions as genocide... Stopping the rebellion was not genocide.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

 We will probably be able to hunt them to extinction in DAI... >.>
 

 

You think so? That'd be great!

[Master Warder Z_]

But BioWare seems to have a fetish for slaughtering entire Dalish clans; it's time they gave something back. 

 

Why?

 

Killing the Dalish is the right thing to do in every situation.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

 

And while we're on the topic... people need stop referring to Celene's actions as genocide... Stopping the rebellion was not genocide.

 

 

 

Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group; 
( Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; 
© Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; 
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; 
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

http://www.genocidew...e/whatisit.html

 

I think murdering a signifiant portion (thousands) of the Elven population of a city certainly qualifies. They are a racial minority. The intention was to end the rebellion by destroying most of the participants, i.e. committing genocide.

[Steelcan]

actually just racial, the elves were andrastian

[Master Warder Z_]

 

 

 

 

 

I think murdering a signifiant portion (thousands) of the Elven population of a city certainly qualifies. They are a racial AND religious minority. The intention was to end the rebellion by destroying most of the participants, i.e. committing genocide.

 

 

Bunch of hippies!

 

Killing elves is always a positive!

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Allright, it's been a while since I read the book.

 

I think Celene killing Briala's parents was also pretty damning. You have to be pretty cold-hearted to sleep with someone for years, with such a horrible secret.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Bunch of hippies!

 

Killing elves is always a positive!

 

This guy gets it.

 

Killing elves is like killing cultists. Makes me feel like I'm tidying up Thedas.

[Master Warder Z_]

This guy gets it.

 

Killing elves is like killing cultists. Makes me feel like I'm tidying up Thedas.

 

Well it's time we go Waco (the portion of texas) on these guys then!

[Br3admax]

The bigotry in this thread....

[Master Warder Z_]

 

You say that like it's a bad thing. You do realize that BioWare and most of their fans fall into the camp  of liberals--myself included--right? 

 

I take offense to that assertion.

 

I am no Liberal.

[Master Warder Z_]

I have to wonder why on Earth you're playing Dragon Age games, then.

 

Because i enjoy Bioware games?

 

What sort of question is that.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Because i enjoy Bioware games?

 

What sort of question is that.

 

I'm just in it for the murder knife, Annulments, and Dalish extermination.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm just in it for the murder knife, Annulments, and Dalish extermination.

 

I have been playing Bioware games since BG, its just sort of old hat for me now.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I have been playing Bioware games since BG, its just sort of old hat for me now.

 

Well yeah but the above reasons are why I'm in DA.