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[Mabari-Master]

For almost a thousand years the Chantry has been the hub of enlightenment and salvation to thousands, but to others it has been the centerpiece to oppression and bigotry.

 

Over the course of its history the Chantry has brought thousands upon thousands of people to abandoned their heathen gods to go to the side of the Maker. But at the same time it has invaded and destroyed whole cultures who refused to abandon their beliefs, the most famous being the Exalted March on the Dales.

 

For centuries the Chantry has stewarded magic and prevented the rise of another Tevinter Imperium by establishing the Circle of Magi and The Templar Order to carefully watch over and mentor the mages. But this in turn gave rise to the oppression and vilification of all mages under the reign of the White Divine.

 

They claim to want to spread the love of the Maker and his bride to all people, yet the elves live in squalor and the mages are treated as prisoners.

 

Was the Kirkwall incident really Grand-Cleric Elthina's fault?

 

Now that the Chantry's power has been stripped bare and its leadership is in shambles and it is left up to the Inquisitor to reestablish the order it once held. But as the Inquisitor should we even allow the Chantry to ever have the power it once had or should we let it fall into pieces and let the world solve its own problems?

[Master Warder Z_]

I have feelings the Devs will salvage the Chantry for future usage.

 

It's too convenient a rallying point for humanity to just abandon.

[Ceoldoren]

I don't think having the chantry around is bad. But if I reestablish them they will have MUCH less power than they did before, and they certainly won't be lording over the mages.

[Ruairi46]

I will not allow the chantry to fall! Pro Chantry equals win. Double win if you're like me and a pro atheist irl, that shows that the maker is worthy of everyones devotion! Also I agree with Master_Warden Z_ it's too good a reason for people to rally together, especially with the future Qunari threat. Schism it is inevitable.

[Mabari-Master]

I don't think having the chantry around is bad. But if I reestablish them they will MUCH less power than they did before, and they certainly won't be lording over the mages.

Now there is a good idea! By the end of it all just strip away all political power it once had. It can no longer interfere with the affairs of other people and countries.

[EmperorKarino]

it seems unlikely that Bioware would give us the option to let the chantry be completely destroyed.

[Cainhurst Crow]

If the chantry goes, thedas will go down with it.

 

Rome was a centerpiece of its time as well, doing the same practices you proscribed the chantry did. When they fell, the people they once governed fell to ruination, ignorance, and anarchy. Marauding hordes became the dominant power, a cult of personality rose to take over the western world, the east grew powerful then highly isolationist, and the people fragmented into many little "kingdoms", waring amongst themselves and killing, raping, pillaging, and conquering for nearly a thousand years after. This period would come to be known as the dark ages, and it took rediscovering old knowledge in order for people to start pulling themselves out of the muck of what had been wrought before them to clammer back to a semblance of greatness again.

 

Make no mistake that without a powerful non-territory bound organization in place, the world of thedas will most likely tear itself asunder. Wars will be waged, blood will be split, and all you will do is replace the one religious overseer with a entire host of nationalist overseers, with no need for such silly things as laws against slavery or aid to the poor to bog them down, as they would have with the chantry's rallying.

 

Too many on these forums only look at this from the perspective of the mage/templar angles. They do not see the legitimate good the chantry does, or the stability it offers when less charitable and tolerant forces would close in to threaten the common people, who will bear the brunt of the chantrys fall while thier kind lords become warlords and feast upon their people relentlessly for power.

[Jaison1986]

Let them fall. Let's see how those self righteous priests act once they don't have the templars to do their dirty work.

[Master Warder Z_]

Let them fall. Let's see how those self righteous priests act once they don't have the templars to do their dirty work.

 

._. You should look up bro.

[Mabari-Master]

I will not allow the chantry to fall! Pro Chantry equals win. Double win if you're like me and a pro atheist irl, that shows that the maker is worthy of everyones devotion! Also I agree with Master_Warden Z_ it's too good a reason for people to rally together, especially with the future Qunari threat. Schism it is inevitable.

Personally I think that much power is too dangerous for a biased organization like the Chantry to have. What if they decide to call an Exalted March on the Dwarves or Rivain or Ferelden because they won't kneel to the Chantry's demands

[Hellion Rex]

Nope. I don't want the Chantry fall.

[wcholcombe]

I think the Chantry will come back stronger then ever.  I also think there will be a distinct difference in what it is and what it was. I think a lot of the hard liners will be removed/killed/eaten by demons or sucked into the rifts. I think it will be reformed to a degree and I think it will be more powerful, in a position of being independent and not so associated with Orlais so that it is better able to function.

 

Thats what I think anyway.....

[Mabari-Master]

it seems unlikely that Bioware would give us the option to let the chantry be completely destroyed.

I don't think the Chantry will be destroyed, but it will be severely weakened like in Mass Effect 3, if you saved the Council in the first game humanity's forces will have already been weakened by the time the Reapers arrive.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Sure why not? It would certainly make the Qunari invasion easier on Thedas.

[AlexiaRevan]

Old chantry back ? Nope , let them burn . Reformed chantry indepandant from Orlais and with less power and merely a religion without an army ? Yes please . 

[Willowhugger]

I'm pretty sure both the Mages and the Templars will join the Inquisition one way or another.

 

When that happens, the Chantry will be stripped of all secular power.

 

For good or ill.

I'm no fan of the Chantry as is, though.

The racism against elves, the denial of the Discordant Verses, and the Exalted Marches have proven it has a very nasty dark side.

[Mabari-Master]

Old chantry back ? Nope , let them burn . Reformed chantry indepandant from Orlais and with less power and merely a religion without an army ? Yes please . 

If that's an option I'm taking it.

[Steelcan]

I find in endlessly amusing that people think we are going to be able to dismantle/allow the Chantry to be destroyed

 

The Inquisition exists to bring back order, not sow further seeds of chaos

[raging_monkey]

The chantry is a religion and should be respected. Do i believe it should have less powerbyes but total dismantlment is wrong imo

[lordsaren101]

The Chantry will burn and fall. I personally want to see it crushed and worship of the old gods restored. The maker en is a false god.

[Willowhugger]

I find in endlessly amusing that people think we are going to be able to dismantle/allow the Chantry to be destroyed

 

The Inquisition exists to bring back order, not sow further seeds of chaos

The Inquisition will be independent of the Chantry, though.

I don't think the Chantry will be able to exert the same level of influence it once did with the Inquisition around.

The Templars and Mages were the source of its power.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Personally I think that much power is too dangerous for a biased organization like the Chantry to have. What if they decide to call an Exalted March on the Dwarves or Rivain or Ferelden because they won't kneel to the Chantry's demands

 

What if Nevarra declared war on all elves, and an exalted march was needed to stop them? What if the dwarves of kal sharok declared themselves allies of the qunari and staged an invasion of the anderfels?

 

Exalted marches can be a double edged sword, protecting as well as subjugating those for or against power.

[Mabari-Master]

I find in endlessly amusing that people think we are going to be able to dismantle/allow the Chantry to be destroyed

 

The Inquisition exists to bring back order, not sow further seeds of chaos

Whether or not the Inquisition brings order or sews chaos is actually up to the Inquisitor.

[Jaison1986]

If the chantry goes, thedas will go down with it.

 

Rome was a centerpiece of its time as well, doing the same practices you proscribed the chantry did. When they fell, the people they once governed fell to ruination, ignorance, and anarchy. Marauding hordes became the dominant power, a cult of personality rose to take over the western world, the east grew powerful then highly isolationist, and the people fragmented into many little "kingdoms", waring amongst themselves and killing, raping, pillaging, and conquering for nearly a thousand years after. This period would come to be known as the dark ages, and it took rediscovering old knowledge in order for people to start pulling themselves out of the muck of what had been wrought before them to clammer back to a semblance of greatness again.

 

Make no mistake that without a powerful non-territory bound organization in place, the world of thedas will most likely tear itself asunder. Wars will be waged, blood will be split, and all you will do is replace the one religious overseer with a entire host of nationalist overseers, with no need for such silly things as laws against slavery or aid to the poor to bog them down, as they would have with the chantry's rallying.

 

Too many on these forums only look at this from the perspective of the mage/templar angles. They do not see the legitimate good the chantry does, or the stability it offers when less charitable and tolerant forces would close in to threaten the common people, who will bear the brunt of the chantrys fall while thier kind lords become warlords and feast upon their people relentlessly for power.

 

What an exageration. Thedas didn't fell when Tevinter leadership was defeated, so Thedas surely won't fall because an church lost their hold. There will be chaos untill the dust settles, but give enough time and I'm sure things will eventually go back to normal.

 

And the nice thing here, is that if the game allows me, I could easily set services of charity to the people with the Inquisition WITHOUT demanding blind religious faith in return.

[Mabari-Master]

What if Nevarra declared war on all elves, and an exalted march was needed to stop them? What if the dwarves of kal sharok declared themselves allies of the qunari and staged an invasion of the anderfels?

 

Exalted marches can be a double edged sword, protecting as well as subjugating those for or against power.

The Orlesians declared Ferelden to be their province and the elves there to be cattle and yet the Chantry didn't intervene.

 

The Chantry only ever acts in its own interest and uses the faith of its followers further those interests.

 

I for one, cannot trust an organization with that power.