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[BlazingSpeed]

I couldn't agree more.  People seem to be forgetting that the Inquisition's main force is made up of Chantry-raised humans who aren't going to blindly follow orders that go against their own nations and religious institutions.  There also seems to be an over-estimation of the Inquisition's level of influence... I guess that won't be settled until the game is released, but I am having a very hard time imagining that the Inquisitor will have nearly unlimited power to make sweeping socio-political changes across the continent.  The existing rulers and their armies aren't just going to stand around and let that happen without their blessing.  They sure as hell aren't going to finance it.

 

That is why I have some serious doubts about this game...

[Cainhurst Crow]

It is quite possible that the Inquisition will be replacing the Chantry entirely. I mean just think about it. Chantry leadership is destroyed, all of it's remaining resources and authority is given over to you and the world is now looking for you to restore order and protect them from the chaos were the Chantry has failed.
 
And the First Inquisition predates the Chantry. It was a loose association of Andrastian-hardliners yes, but they didn't answer to any Divine or was necessarily completely made of Andrastians. In the beginning of the Divine age the newly founded Chantry made cause with the Inquisition and together they signed the Nevarran Accord as a means to try and find a balance.
 
But now that the Chantry has fallen to pieces and Inquisition has been reinstated, perhaps one of the choices you can make later in the game is deciding whether or not to return authority back to the Chantry or have the Inquisition remain in power.

Such hubris. But lets play along for the sake of argument.

You have on your close circle of allies, a seeker loyal to the chantry, a templar loyal to the chantry, a super assassin loyal to the chantry, and you think you're going to be able to just waltz on up and go "Hey chantry and orlais, all this **** right here? Its mine now, I took it, right now, took it right now for me."

[Shadow Fox]

Such hubris. But lets play along for the sake of argument.

You have on your close circle of allies, a seeker loyal to the chantry, a templar loyal to the chantry, a super assassin loyal to the chantry, and you think you're going to be able to just waltz on up and go "Hey chantry and orlais, all this **** right here? Its mine now, I took it, right now, took it right now for me."

There's also the fact the bulk of your forces are Andrastian humans...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Such hubris. But lets play along for the sake of argument.

You have on your close circle of allies, a seeker loyal to the chantry, a templar loyal to the chantry, a super assassin loyal to the chantry, and you think you're going to be able to just waltz on up and go "Hey chantry and orlais, all this **** right here? Its mine now, I took it, right now, took it right now for me."

I don't know why, but your dialogue reminded me of this:

[Tevinter Rose]

I hope the Chantry reforms with the help of the Thedas version Martin Luther or whatever the catalyst would be. If not I would let it fail to see where the cards fall.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Such hubris. But lets play along for the sake of argument.

You have on your close circle of allies, a seeker loyal to the chantry, a templar loyal to the chantry, a super assassin loyal to the chantry, and you think you're going to be able to just waltz on up and go "Hey chantry and orlais, all this **** right here? Its mine now, I took it, right now, took it right now for me."

And why not? Why i should care what leliana or cullen think about me pretty much i can find better peoples than them when my my inq can't be replaced not mention that world is in chaos pretty much in such times systems and religions are most likely to fell and be replaced by another not to mention that we already have big bad mocking maker and saying he doesn't exist. 

[Darkly Tranquil]

If I have to choose between the Chantry and the Big Evil, I'm going to have a hard time deciding...

[wright1978]

My first inquisitor would definitely wish to diminish the Chantry's might, whilst accepting there's way no way to remove something so endemic.

I'll be interested to see how easily an inquisition, which seems at its inner circle to be made up of those with strong Chantry ties can be operated as an institution not in support of the Chantry.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I couldn't agree more.  People seem to be forgetting that the Inquisition's main force is made up of Chantry-raised humans who aren't going to blindly follow orders that go against their own nations and religious institutions.  There also seems to be an over-estimation of the Inquisition's level of influence... I guess that won't be settled until the game is released, but I am having a very hard time imagining that the Inquisitor will have nearly unlimited power to make sweeping socio-political changes across the continent.  The existing rulers and their armies aren't just going to stand around and let that happen without their blessing.  They sure as hell aren't going to finance it.

People want their juvenile power fantasy. Let them play with the idea, while the game isn't released. Then harvest their delicious tears once the game is out, and their deluded ideas of what they could do, are proven false.

[Mistic]

I hope the Chantry reforms with the help of the Thedas version Martin Luther or whatever the catalyst would be. If not I would let it fail to see where the cards fall.

 

I think the world of Thedas needs a century or two before that situation may arise. And the Roman Catholic Church is still the largest Christian church in the world, so I'm sure the White Chantry would be able to endure, even if its power diminishes.

[Icy Magebane]

I think the world of Thedas needs a century or two before that situation may arise. And the Roman Catholic Church is still the largest Christian church in the world, so I'm sure the White Chantry would be able to endure, even if its power diminishes.

Exactly... aside from the mage vs. Templar conflict, the Chantry is fairly stable and neither the commoners nor the nobility has any objection to their presence.  A revolution only occurs when the majority is discontent.  Until the Chantry gets on the bad side of the people, there would be no reason for a revolt.

 

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[EmperorSahlertz]

Exactly... aside from the mage vs. Templar conflict, the Chantry is fairly stable and neither the commoners nor the nobility has any objection to their presence.  A revolution only works when the majority is discontent.  Until the Chantry gets on the bad side of the people, there would be no reason for a revolt.

The Chantry isn't exactly stable as of DA:I. However, that is outside of player influence. The very idea that the player will be the one to make such major changes to the world is delusion at best.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

With such world-shattering choices like this, I think it will only happen if Bioware deems it to happen. Us as the player will only help steer it.

So not so much "What happens" but more "How it happens". 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Exactly... aside from the mage vs. Templar conflict, the Chantry is fairly stable and neither the commoners nor the nobility has any objection to their presence.  A revolution only occurs when the majority is discontent.  Until the Chantry gets on the bad side of the people, there would be no reason for a revolt.

 

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As i said world is in chaos and big bad seems to offer own religion and in trailer he mocks maker existence and wants peoples bow before him pretty much a big imbalance toward belief system in thedas then we have our inq that is only hope for thedas so rather i would say guy/gril have a lot possibilities here.

 

 

The Chantry isn't exactly stable as of DA:I. However, that is outside of player influence. The very idea that the player will be the one to make such major changes to the world is delusion at best.

Why as i said above chantry is very unstable world is in crisis and major opposition to chantry show up at least 1.I doubt that it will be in case because save import so they don't want world state too different.

 

 

 

[Icy Magebane]

As i said world is in chaos and big bad seems to offer own religion and in trailer he mocks maker existence and wants peoples bow before him pretty much a big imbalance toward belief system in thedas then we have our inq that is only hope for thedas so rather i would say guy/gril have a lot possibilities here.   

Whatever "new religion" the Inquisitor attempts to implement, it will have to withstand the scrutiny of the commoners, nobility, and most importantly, the rulers of every nation.  I am having a hard time picturing everyone accepting sweeping changes to the a religion that has served them well for over a thousand years, no matter how many demons the Inquisitor banishes.  This "Fade Crisis" may be alarming, but Thedas has been through five Blights and not once have the people turned their back on the Chantry out of desperation or fear.  I also do not know of any radical cult leaders who successfully altered Chantry policy during these chaotic events, but perhaps that is due to the Grey Wardens' famous neutrality?  You know, the neutrality that led to their acceptance by the Chantry and every powerful nation?  Had they been led by "reformers" attempting to unlawfully overthrow the system, I get the feeling that they would have been opposed and replaced long ago.  The Joining, like any knowledge, can be rediscovered, assuming the Wardens aren't otherwise persuaded to just give it up...

[Willowhugger]

I hope we get the chance to stand up to the chantry or support it.

[raging_monkey]

Chantry overhaul is a nice idea and is possible but not by the inquistion cause while formed from the chantry it is ultimatly lead by either a radical non human which could be seen as a threat or a conservative human. Its just not feasible. Maybe we can change things but not to the extent we may think

[TheKomandorShepard]

Whatever "new religion" the Inquisitor attempts to implement, it will have to withstand the scrutiny of the commoners, nobility, and most importantly, the rulers of every nation.  I am having a hard time picturing everyone accepting sweeping changes to the a religion that has served them well for over a thousand years, no matter how many demons the Inquisitor banishes.  This "Fade Crisis" may be alarming, but Thedas has been through five Blights and not once have the people turned their back on the Chantry out of desperation or fear.  I also do not know of any radical cult leaders who successfully altered Chantry policy during these chaotic events, but perhaps that is due to the Grey Wardens' famous neutrality?  You know, the neutrality that led to their acceptance by the Chantry and every powerful nation?  Had they been led by "reformers" attempting to unlawfully overthrow the system, I get the feeling that they would have been opposed and replaced long ago.  The Joining, like any knowledge, can be rediscovered, assuming the Wardens aren't otherwise persuaded to just give it up...

As i said world is in chaos and inq is only 1 guy that can stop it wheter someone likes it or not i want remind how chantry was born and old god faith fell pretty much because tevinter meet opposition and tevinter empire was in chaos.And as i mentioned big bad seems promote own religion and he have a lot of power i can see a lot peoples going on his side even just out of fear so even without inq chaos and big bad may damage chantry badly.From what i remember there wasn't any opposition for chantry save for qunari that were rather successful in converting even if they didn't tried like in kirkwall there is also tevinter chantry pretty much changed to fit their own interests.

[Mistic]

As i said world is in chaos and big bad seems to offer own religion and in trailer he mocks maker existence and wants peoples bow before him pretty much a big imbalance toward belief system in thedas then we have our inq that is only hope for thedas so rather i would say guy/gril have a lot possibilities here.

 

That the Big Bad's plan could be that is actually a sound idea. After all, it would follow the guidelines used the last time a continental organized religion was brought down. I'm talking about the Old Gods, of course.

 

First, it was the Magisters becoming darkspawn and their gods not answering their prayers. Then it was found out that the Archdemon was the corrupted Old God Dumat. And after his death, a new religion was born in the South condemning the Magisters and uniting a powerful barbarian invasion that weakened the Imperium's power. In the end, even Tevinter forbade their cult. The Elder One seems to be creating a worldwide crisis akin to a Blight and mocks the believers because the Maker can't answer their prayers. The Big Bad has their own cult, followers and is probably building a demonic army or something.

 

However, here comes the part that will make some players cringe: if that's true and that's the Big Bad's plan, it could work... but only if the Big Bad wins. And so far, it seems that the Inquisitor's goal is to stop the Elder One and their mad cult. Now add the "Herald of Andraste" title and it seems that, at the global scale, the Inquisitor will save the Chantry from the only power that could actually destroy it. Even if the actions of the Inquisitor diminish their power (compared to that from before), it would still be an acceptable loss for them.

 

The only way it could be bad for them is if the Chantry is somehow involved in creating the Breach. If not, it's their moral victory.

[TheKomandorShepard]

That the Big Bad's plan could be that is actually a sound idea. After all, it would follow the guidelines used the last time a continental organized religion was brought down. I'm talking about the Old Gods, of course.

 

First, it was the Magisters becoming darkspawn and their gods not answering their prayers. Then it was found out that the Archdemon was the corrupted Old God Dumat. And after his death, a new religion was born in the South condemning the Magisters and uniting a powerful barbarian invasion that weakened the Imperium's power. In the end, even Tevinter forbade their cult. The Elder One seems to be creating a worldwide crisis akin to a Blight and mocks the believers because the Maker can't answer their prayers. The Big Bad has their own cult, followers and is probably building a demonic army or something.

 

However, here comes the part that will make some players cringe: if that's true and that's the Big Bad's plan, it could work... but only if the Big Bad wins. And so far, it seems that the Inquisitor's goal is to stop the Elder One and their mad cult. Now add the "Herald of Andraste" title and it seems that, at the global scale, the Inquisitor will save the Chantry from the only power that could actually destroy it. Even if the actions of the Inquisitor diminish their power (compared to that from before), it would still be an acceptable loss for them.

 

The only way it could be bad for them is if the Chantry is somehow involved in creating the Breach. If not, it's their moral victory.

To be honest this is why i doubt that it will be possibility they pretty much created campaign for rather pro-chantry characters even if they deny that our advisors and pretty much whole campaign as far seems to show us otherwise they rather go for linear game where everything will end same way or will lead to 1 scenario in future games.Unless they will give us shepard death scenario from me 2 with joining to big bad and we won't be able to import that i doubt that we will have much choice but only from out-game reasons. 

[Mistic]

To be honest this is why i doubt that it will be possibility they pretty much created campaign for rather pro-chantry characters even if they deny that our advisors and pretty much whole campaign as far seems to show us otherwise they rather go for linear game where everything will end same way or will lead to 1 scenario in future games.Unless they will give us shepard death scenario from me 2 with joining to big bad and we won't be able to import that i doubt that we will have much choice but only from out-game reasons. 

 

I agree. I think they talked about a "demons winning" scenario, but for the look of it, I think it will be like that ME2 ending you mentioned.

 

It's true that the plot of Inquisition was thought initially for an Andrastian Human, so I don't believe even for a moment that the main story points of DA:I changed a lot from that initial idea. Maybe the Inquisition was given a more international, neutral approach, probably new dialogue lines were recorded so each race has at least a unique option in important dialogues, but that's all.

[Elista]

I don't think it will really fall. The cult of the Maker is strong, and the priests do not need the Templars to have influence. Faith in Andraste and fear of the Void are powerful enough in most people's heart in Thedas to protect this church from simply disappearing. They have followers and probably a lot of money. Maybe they will have to keep a low profile if the Templars get stronger, but that's all, IMHO.

[RobRam10]

The Chantry is a corpse rotting within while maggots writhe in its belly. Its time for it to succumb to oblivion and for something new to bloom.

[Vereesa]

Let it burn, and we can spit on the ashes

[Steelcan]

The Chantry is a corpse rotting within while maggots writhe in its belly. Its time for it to succumb to death and for something new to bloom.

no

 

The chantry as a whole is largely stable, it hasn't faced any serious theological debate, internal or otherwise in millennia, and if it falls chaos and anarchy will cover Thedas, that is not what we set out to do as Inquisitor