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[wcholcombe]

As i said world is in chaos and big bad seems to offer own religion and in trailer he mocks maker existence and wants peoples bow before him pretty much a big imbalance toward belief system in thedas then we have our inq that is only hope for thedas so rather i would say guy/gril have a lot possibilities here.

 

 

Why as i said above chantry is very unstable world is in crisis and major opposition to chantry show up at least 1.I doubt that it will be in case because save import so they don't want world state too different.

 

 

 

2 things here:

 

1) The big bad isn't offering a new religioin, it is referring to itself as a god, and telling everyone more or less to worship it.  The ancient one or whatever its name is will likely be dead at the end of inquisition so why do we really care?

 

2) Chantry leadership is unstable.  The religion is going along just fine.  People aren't rioting and destroying chantries or leaving the faith in mass.  Why? Because while there may be some people in the leadership and other areas that are unsavory, by and large the faces of the chantry that the common people interact with are not, and are exactly what the people expect them to be.

 

Whatever "new religion" the Inquisitor attempts to implement,

I agree with the rest of the statement, but where does the idea that the Inquisitor will be establishing a new religion even come from?

 

And why not? Why i should care what leliana or cullen think about me pretty much i can find better peoples than them when my my inq can't be replaced not mention that world is in chaos pretty much in such times systems and religions are most likely to fell and be replaced by another not to mention that we already have big bad mocking maker and saying he doesn't exist. 

Actually most studies show that in times of chaos, people become more religious and such institutions become more powerful.  Look at the recent economic situation dating back to 2008, studies show a large uptake in people attending churches, mosque, temples, etc world wide and an increase in the number of people who say they attend religious activities on a regular basis and even a slight decline in those who claim to be atheist or agnostic.  It is pretty long standing occurence that when people get scared or frightened by a world beyond their control, they turn back to religion for answers and often the religion they were raised in.

 

I think the world of Thedas needs a century or two before that situation may arise. And the Roman Catholic Church is still the largest Christian church in the world, so I'm sure the White Chantry would be able to endure, even if its power diminishes.

 

 

I hope the Chantry reforms with the help of the Thedas version Martin Luther or whatever the catalyst would be. If not I would let it fail to see where the cards fall.

Yeah there has to be a critical movement against the chantry amongst the faithful before something along the lines of a literal split occurs along the lines of the protestant reformation.  Now, if on the other hand you are saying the Chantry will proactively reform itself, I can definitely see that.  One would have to assume a lot of the hard line leadership would have been removed and I can see quite the call for the pursuit of Justinia's reforms post humously.

[TheKomandorShepard]

2 things here:

 

1) The big bad isn't offering a new religioin, it is referring to itself as a god, and telling everyone more or less to worship it.  The ancient one or whatever its name is will likely be dead at the end of inquisition so why do we really care?

 

2) Chantry leadership is unstable.  The religion is going along just fine.  People aren't rioting and destroying chantries or leaving the faith in mass.  Why? Because while there may be some people in the leadership and other areas that are unsavory, by and large the faces of the chantry that the common people interact with are not, and are exactly what the people expect them to be.

1.What pretty much is offering a new religion just with elder one as god and pretty much he have some powers to claim to be one.Guess how many peoples would run for it just to be safe and it is hard to argue with guy that can crush you as well might makes right.Wheter he will die or not he most likely weaken chantry faith what could be used by inq to spread own system or religion or another charismatic peoples what pretty much is how religions start.

 

2.What pretty much means that chantry is unstable and now have god-like being or at least something that looks like that challenging that with vast amount of power i think peoples tend to forget that system and religions can be taken down when you use might makes right or you convince peoples to your cause. Inq could use that because as i said he is only person that can fix that mess but as i mentioned later campaign seems to be pro-chantry so i doubt it will be possibility.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I've seen multiple people say "priests of the maker" in this thread and it really bugs me.

The chantry is a female dominate organize, their leadership and membership is mostly and sometimes exclusively women, with men serving as brothers and no higher rank while women get to be revered mothers and such.

I should be preistess's but people here insist its priests. I dont get why.

[wcholcombe]

1.What pretty much is offering a new religion just with elder one as god and pretty much he have some powers to claim to be one.Guess how many peoples would run for it just to be safe and it is hard to argue with guy that can crush you as well might makes right.Wheter he will die or not he most likely weaken chantry faith what could be used by inq to spread own system or religion or another charismatic peoples what pretty much is how religions start.

 

2.What pretty much means that chantry is unstable and now have god-like being or at least something that looks like that challenging that with vast amount of power i think peoples tend to forget that system and religions can be taken down when you use might makes right or you convince peoples to your cause. Inq could use that because as i said he is only person that can fix that mess but as i mentioned later campaign seems to be pro-chantry so i doubt it will be possibility.

The majority of Thedas, will probably be ignorant of the Elder one ever existing, so his presence before he is killed/banished is hardly a concern.  Those who are aware of him will just consider him one of the other demons that escaped the fade.

 

I don't think the campaign will be pro chantry. We have been told explicitly that you don't have to support the Chantry.  But that doesn't mean that my Qunari Inquisitor Gothmaug the 1st of his name will be establishing a religion based around the worship of him and his 12 apostles- Viviene, Cullen, Iron Bull, Scribles, Blackwall, Varric, Cassandra, Solas, Sera,Cole, Leliana, and Dorian.

[Icy Magebane]

I agree with the rest of the statement, but where does the idea that the Inquisitor will be establishing a new religion even come from?

There have been arguments that the Inquisitor's reputation as the "Herald of Andraste" will grant them enough influence over the peoples' minds that they will be able to dictate new policies and unilaterally re-interpret religious dogma that has been in place for centuries.  I've also seen a suggestion that the Inquisition could "take over" for the Chantry.  I think that those ideas are far-fetched and unrealistic, and that no cult formed around the Inquisition will last very long given the sheer numbers that would be in direct opposition to radical changes (among a number of other reasons...).

[wcholcombe]

I've seen multiple people say "priests of the maker" in this thread and it really bugs me.

The chantry is a female dominate organize, their leadership and membership is mostly and sometimes exclusively women, with men serving as brothers and no higher rank while women get to be revered mothers and such.

I should be preistess's but people here insist its priests. I dont get why.

I could be mistaken, but I believe in the games one of the revered mothers refers to herself as a priest.

 

Plus, in many cultures Priest is not a gender based term.  In protestant faiths that allow females to be such, they are still referred to as either priest or preachers.  in the Mayan culture, the word for priest was the same irregardless of gender.

[wcholcombe]

There have been arguments that the Inquisitor's reputation as the "Herald of Andraste" will grant them enough influence over the peoples' minds that they will be able to dictate new policies and unilaterally re-interpret religious dogma that has been in place for centuries.  I've also seen a suggestion that the Inquisition could "take over" for the Chantry.  I think that those ideas are far-fetched and unrealistic, and that no cult formed around the Inquisition will last very long given the sheer numbers that would be in direct opposition to radical changes.

Thanks for answering the question, I needed a good laugh this morning.

[Icy Magebane]

I've seen multiple people say "priests of the maker" in this thread and it really bugs me.

The chantry is a female dominate organize, their leadership and membership is mostly and sometimes exclusively women, with men serving as brothers and no higher rank while women get to be revered mothers and such.

I should be preistess's but people here insist its priests. I dont get why.

Don't blame the posters.  The game doesn't use the term "priestess" for some strange reason.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The majority of Thedas, will probably be ignorant of the Elder one ever existing, so his presence before he is killed/banished is hardly a concern.  Those who are aware of him will just consider him one of the other demons that escaped the fade.

 

I don't think the campaign will be pro chantry. We have been told explicitly that you don't have to support the Chantry.  But that doesn't mean that my Qunari Inquisitor Gothmaug the 1st of his name will be establishing a religion based around the worship of him and his 12 apostles- Viviene, Cullen, Iron Bull, Scribles, Blackwall, Varric, Cassandra, Solas, Sera,Cole, Leliana, and Dorian.

If his goal is to become god and be worshiped they will know about him considering his speech otherwise it would be pointless.And as i said inq could do a lot with that to push own religion or system but as i said doubtfull devs will allow it.

 

Well they told us a lot of things but "our" organization have chantry roots and no wonder that it was assumed to be chantry organization by many peoples.Not mention that peoples in that like advisors (save for possible josephine) and possible forced companion like cass that are pro-chantry we know at this point we will be associate and most likly our organization with chantry wheter we like it or not.But otherwise i don't see why not save we would have to kick peoples loyal to the chantry like leliana our cullen what we know pretty much will be imposible as i said rather pro-chantry campaign.

 

After all andraste did pretty much the same.

[Tevinter Rose]

I think the world of Thedas needs a century or two before that situation may arise. And the Roman Catholic Church is still the largest Christian church in the world, so I'm sure the White Chantry would be able to endure, even if its power diminishes.

 

Comparisons with the catholic church don't hold too much water with me. The Catholic Church never had to deal with an ancient god taunting it's followers and demanding worship or a magical breach in the sky with demons blowing up the Vatican. Too many variables to be a strong comparison imo. The Chantry will never be the same after whats happened. The game has 40 different endings and different world states it would be beyond boring for me if I can't affect or facilitate the reform or end of the Chantry. The status quo will change. How it will and how much of it will change we shall see.

[Icy Magebane]

If his goal is to become god and be worshiped they will know about him considering his speech otherwise it would be pointless.And as i said inq could do a lot with that to push own religion or system but as i said doubtfull devs will allow it.

Why would anyone worship a "god" whose sole desires seem to be the deaths of mortals and the destruction of civilization?  What would be the point?  I mean, isn't this why all of the nations are organizing a resistance?  I don't see the religion of the Elder One having much longevity or more than a handful of converts...

 

Actually, maybe I should have quoted this one...

 

As i said world is in chaos and big bad seems to offer own religion and in trailer he mocks maker existence and wants peoples bow before him pretty much a big imbalance toward belief system in thedas then we have our inq that is only hope for thedas so rather i would say guy/gril have a lot possibilities here. 

This idea of the Elder One having a religion seems moot since nobody is going to worship him...

[wcholcombe]

If his goal is to become god and be worshiped they will know about him considering his speech otherwise it would be pointless.And as i said inq could do a lot with that to push own religion or system but as i said doubtfull devs will allow it.

 

Well they told us a lot of things but "our" organization have chantry roots and no wonder that it was assumed to be chantry organization by many peoples.Not mention that peoples in that like advisors (save for possible josephine) and possible forced companion like cass that are pro-chantry we know at this point we will be associate and most likly our organization with chantry wheter we like it or not.But otherwise i don't see why not save we would have to kick peoples loyal to the chantry like leliana our cullen what we know pretty much will be imposible as i said rather pro-chantry campaign.

 

After all andraste did pretty much the same.

 

 

Comparisons with the catholic church don't hold too much water with me. The Catholic Church never had to deal with an ancient god taunting it's followers and demanding worship or a magical breach in the sky with demons blowing up the Vatican. Too many variables to be a strong comparison imo. The Chantry will never be the same after whats happened. The game has 40 different endings and different world states it would be beyond boring for me if I can't affect or facilitate the reform or end of the Chantry. The status quo will change. How it will and how much of it will change we shall see.

The Elder One doesn't have a satelite feed to broadcast that speech into every home in Thedas. For all we know, the only one who hears that speech is the inquisitor in the fade or a small number of people.

 

There is no way to broadcast that speech to the people of thedas.  Seriously, even if it was at some big event, I would assume less then 1000 people would hear it and even then, after it is dead, it would just have been seen as a big evil demon.  In order for that speech to have any value, the Elder One or whatever would have to be seen as right and having won.  The fact that it dies and loses would just reaffirm in the faithful the fact that the Maker choose a champion who killed it.

 

What are the Dalish going to start following the elder one if he says "Where are your creators now"  Its the same concept.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Don't blame the posters.  The game doesn't use the term "priestess" for some strange reason.

I've heard them use Sister, Brother, and Mother, but never priests.

I could be mistaken, but I believe in the games one of the revered mothers refers to herself as a priest.

TBH I have never heard them use the word priests in the game.

[Tevinter Rose]

The Ancient One doesn't have a satelite feed to broadcast that speech into every home in Thedas. For all we know, the only one who hears that speech is the inquisitor in the fade or a small number of people.

 

There is no way to broadcast that speech to the people of thedas.  Seriously, even if it was at some big event, I would assume less then 1000 people would hear it and even then, after it is dead, it would just have been seen as a big evil demon.

 

Yeah that's true lol. But the fact remains i don't think it's fair to compare real world religious institutions to fantasy religions in worlds where magic and demons are a fact of life.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Why would anyone worship a "god" whose sole desires seem to be the deaths of mortals and the destruction of civilization?  What would be the point?  I mean, isn't this why all of the nations are organizing a resistance?  I don't see the religion of the Elder One having much longevity or more than a handful of converts...

And how do you know that is his goal (well spreading religion just to destroy it would be pointless) as far we know about that elder one not mention that would rather make antagonist 1 dimensional.Besides do i have mention that in our world as well in thedas gods not always are nice beings even maker send blight because he was angry at humans and he is "good" guy for chantry. 

 

 

The Ancient One doesn't have a satelite feed to broadcast that speech into every home in Thedas. For all we know, the only one who hears that speech is the inquisitor in the fade or a small number of people.

 

There is no way to broadcast that speech to the people of thedas.  Seriously, even if it was at some big event, I would assume less then 1000 people would hear it and even then, after it is dead, it would just have been seen as a big evil demon.

So only way for religion to spread is to have satelite feed? All he would need is cult and followers that he already have and demonstrate his power to attract more followers and then we have peoples who would fear that being. 

[wcholcombe]

I've heard them use Sister, Brother, and Mother, but never priests.


TBH I have never heard them use the word priests in the game.

and like I said, in many cultures Priest isn't tied to having a gender association.

 

Yeah that's true lol. But the fact remains i don't think it's fair to compare real world religious institutions to fantasy religions in worlds where magic and demons are a fact of life.

Except on two points:

1) when said religion is used as a framework for the fantasy religion

2) When you are discussing the ability of the faithful to remain true to a religion. Faith in your beliefs is faith in your beliefs.  The real world or fantasy component doesn't really affect that.

[wcholcombe]

 

 

 

So only way for religion to spread is to have satelite feed? All he would need is cult and followers that he already have and demonstrate his power to attract more followers and then we have peoples who would fear that being. 

In order for it to actually challenge the Chantry as a world wide religious institution....yeah he would need to do a better job of broadcasting it, otherwise it is just a minor cult that worshipped some dead demon that no one takes seriously and most people never heard of before the Inquisitor killed it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

In order for it to actually challenge the Chantry as a world wide religious institution....yeah he would need to do a better job of broadcasting it, otherwise it is just a minor cult that worshipped some dead demon that no one takes seriously and most people never heard of before the Inquisitor killed it.

I think it isn't that hard to hear about superpowerful (especially if it shakes entire world) being spreading religion don't you think? As i said it isn't even that goes unheard but that was also different if inq wanted he would start to gather own followers same as andraste and oppose chantry and elder one.

[Icy Magebane]

And how do you know that is his goal (well spreading religion just to destroy it would be pointless) as far we know about that elder one not mention that would rather make antagonist 1 dimensional.Besides do i have mention that in our world as well in thedas gods not always are nice beings even maker send blight because he was angry at humans and he is "good" guy for chantry.

I just have a hard time imagining this creature having many followers when it announces its presence by releasing a horde of demons on the world.  I realize that gods aren't necessarily pleasant in all cases, but if humankind is raising an army in order to prevent their minions from butchering them, I think it might be best to re-evaluate their conversion strategy.  Maybe hire less aggressive missionaries?

[Icy Magebane]

I've heard them use Sister, Brother, and Mother, but never priests.


TBH I have never heard them use the word priests in the game.

"It was decided that only female priests would be ordained." - Brother Genetivi (when making a comparison to the Chantry after being asked about Haven's revered fathers)

[TheKomandorShepard]

I just have a hard time imagining this creature having many followers when it announces its presence by releasing a horde of demons on the world.  I realize that gods aren't necessarily pleasant in all cases, but if humankind is raising an army in order to prevent their minions from butchering them, I think it might be best to re-evaluate their conversion strategy.  Maybe hire less aggressive missionaries?

Well would you oppose guy with god-like power and his army of angels that conquering the world? Well i could see many peoples going join that guy even simple out of fear or vast power.Well often spreading religion involve conquering and enforcing religion on others so well same can be here after as i said will you argue with creature that can crush you easily.  

[Cainhurst Crow]

"It was decided that only female priests would be ordained." - Brother Genetivi (when making a comparison to the Chantry after being asked about Haven's revered fathers)

No wonder I don't remember it. Its one obscure line that's spoken by one forgettable npc.

[wcholcombe]

I think it isn't that hard to hear about superpowerful (especially if it shakes entire world) being spreading religion don't you think? As i said it isn't even that goes unheard but that was also different if inq wanted he would start to gather own followers same as andraste and oppose chantry and elder one.

See, but Andraste had a cause that allowed her religion to challenge the Old Gods.  She rallied around the evils of Magic and the Imperium was unpopular with its slaves to begin with.

 

No such situation exists with the chantry. The faithful aren't attacking it in mass or leaving it.  They are happy with it.

 

Also, hes just a demon, one that dies like all the rest apparently.

[Icy Magebane]

No wonder I don't remember it. Its one obscure line that's spoken by one forgettable npc.

lol... yes, somehow that stuck in my mind, but I'm not sure why.  xD

[wcholcombe]

"It was decided that only female priests would be ordained." - Brother Genetivi (when making a comparison to the Chantry after being asked about Haven's revered fathers)

that and again. Nothing about the term priest makes it gender related.