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Should We Let The Chantry Fall?


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#426
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A Mixture of both, i have fought religious extremists in reality. And Hakwe fought his share as well, even possibly being capable of bringing down Abdullah Ahmed Arishok. If only every one was so successful.

least i understand your view better(slightly) without rudely prodding

They maybe not be actively hunted down all the time, but the Dalish are not welcomed by a lot of people and vice versa. Not to mention the templars may also hunt down the Keepers because they are mages.

thats rare templars for intents and purpose ignore them long as they stay miles away from cities and villiages

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look i have come to a conclusion I think that both tevinter and the chantry are in the wrong but as mother says two wrongs do not make a right so i think that both factions should be punished.

So basically you are ignoring your mother and are going to commit wrongs to answer wrongs?  ;)

 

 

After being cured and forced to become tranquill again that is abuse.

That was Lambert's choice. Divine Justinia V, the head of the Chantry, supported the research to reverse Tranquility. 

As for Pharamond, his research did result in a horde of demons overrunning a keep. That is grounds for getting Tranquilized. 



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While mages might suffer injustices, their quality of life is probably higher than your average Thedosian peasant.

 

It isn't a "probably" its a definite.



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I thought it was against the Rules for a mage who has passed his/her Harrowing to be made Tranquil?    ;)


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Tranquility shouldnt be reversed its a choice.... loaded but a choice

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thats rare templars for intents and purpose ignore them long as they stay miles away from cities and villiages

That's why I said may, because it's rare.



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How do you intend to go about that?

My point was that people love to complain about the Chantry's handling of mages, but don't stop to think about why they do what they do. The Magisters of old are a large part of why mages are hated and feared. The fear of mages recreating something like the old Imperium is a major counter argument to mage self-rule. That may not excuse their actions, but it puts them in an understandable light, more so than just saying they do it for the kicks or because they are a religion, like some people would like to think.

While mages might suffer injustices, their quality of life is probably higher than your average Thedosian peasant.

Yes I understand why they do it i just think there is a better way to go about it. We could let family visit and stop making it feel like a prison more like a school or a collage and then they could work for a living by setting up jobs like teachers alchemists enchanters scholars or work for the inquisition.



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Yes I understand why they do it i just think there is a better way to go about it. We could let family visit and stop making it feel like a prison more like a school or a collage and then they could work for a living by setting up jobs like teachers alchemists enchanters scholars or work for the inquisition.


I'd be perfectly fine with those sorts of reforms.

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I thought it was against the Rules for a mage who has passed his/her Harrowing to be made Tranquil?    ;)

 

It hasn't ever been applied to anyone outside of Kirkwall that was above apprentice that we have documentation on.

 

That really isn't much of a point.



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I thought it was against the Rules for a mage who has passed his/her Harrowing to be made Tranquil?    ;)

It is.

 

I actually found it odd none in Kirkwall notice all those tranquils in court yard, both Orsino and Meredith fail at their duties there.

 

 

Tranquility shouldnt be reversed its a choice.... loaded but a choice

Not for everyone, some choose it other are forced if they are believed to be to weak or have fallen to blood magic.



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Yes I understand why they do it i just think there is a better way to go about it. We could let family visit and stop making it feel like a prison more like a school or a collage and then they could work for a living by setting up jobs like teachers alchemists enchanters scholars or work for the inquisition.

 

Very sensible reforms - I like them.



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I thought it was against the Rules for a mage who has passed his/her Harrowing to be made Tranquil?    ;)

David Gaider said this on the subject:

 

It's against the rules to perform the Rite of Tranquility without both significant provocation (provocation in this case meaning the mage in question either cannot control their magic or has shown no signs of a willingness to do so) AND the agreement of the First Enchanter (who is present as a sort of ombudsman on behalf of the mages).



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The Romans didn't actually invent those things - as I said in another post, they were very good at taking things from other cultures, giving them a makeover, and pretending they'd invented them.

Lmao, what a heap of bullsh*t, yes Rome was greatly inspired by Greece and partially Babylon in many inventions but they invented numerous things society views as a standart nowadays.

And my ancestors may have taken the heads of their enemies, but abominations like the Circus are far worse.


Our ancestors, from the 5th century onward Europe was a melting pot of ethnicities. Gladiator games weren't actually invented by the Romans, they'd been tradition in Italy for centuries before Rome was even founded. Greece had similar games and contrary to popular belief, not all gladiators were slaves, any citizen of Rome could enlist in a gladiator arena, as you could make good cash with that job.


Infanticide? The Romans abandoned babies on rubbish heaps, and passed a law to say that no baby abandoned like that could be rescued by a well-meaning passerby.


Exaggerated, but is was very common in many cultures at the time.

Literature, law, hygiene, science, craftsmanship, architecture, trade, finances, engineering and art[/size][/background]? Greece had those. Egypt had those, so did Babylon, all earlier than Rome, the Great Thief.


Thief? Uhm no, if you think that, you don't know what a thief is. Roman law had very little to do with Greece and Rome revolutionalized hygiene (hospitals, aqueducts, sewers, baths etc) moreso than other cultures. You're answering Roman feats of trade, finances, art, science craftsmanship and architecture with so and so had those haha? Rome was very different in all of those regards from any of the cultures you listed, yes they took inspiration from Greece and later Egypt but that only goes to show how culturally open they were to incorporate non-Roman elements into their, craftsmanship.

However you are missing the point entirely. Yes, Greece was on many levels very accomplished and so were Babylon and Egypt but did they spread their inventions across the world? No, that was Rome, which is why Rome was so pivotal to the history of the world.

Not just that, but Romes inffluence and connections were the reason for first contact and trade with far away countries like China, Sudan, Ethiopia and India. Rome brought silk, ivory, pepper, cardamom, cloves, cinnamon, papyrus, sandal wood and other things to Europe that otherwise didn't reach Europe until many, many centuries later.
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It is. I actually found it odd none in Kirkwall notice all those tranquils in court yard, both Orsino and Meredith fail at their duties there.  Not for everyone, some choose it other are forced if they are believed to be to weak or have fallen to blood magic.

those who choose to dabble in forbidden(debateable or not) put us all at risk and undermines our work for freedom or reform

Very sensible reforms - I like them.

while i like those reforms. Logistics and non magi sentiment makes things impractical

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So do we agree that there is a better solution then destoying one another but instead just a peace treaty and a reform.



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So do we agree that there is a better solution then destoying one another but instead just a peace treaty and a reform.

I'm hoping there is a Compromise/Peace option in Inquisition involving the Mage-Templar War, yes. 

 

It seems the actual factions agreed too, considering the game begins at a peace conference with some of the leaders of all parties involved. Or at least Chantry and Mages. 



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those who choose to dabble in forbidden(debateable or not) put us all at risk and undermines our work for freedom or reform

while i like those reforms. Logistics and non magi sentiment makes things impractical

Would you like to explain why these are impratical i am not saying we let the mages do what they want i just think we need to give them a chance to work and not feel liked prisoners but it can of course be stoped if a mage refuses to listen.



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So do we agree that there is a better solution then destoying one another but instead just a peace treaty and a reform.

most of us want this just wounds on both sides are fresh.... and smell ganggreen

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Lmao, what a heap of bullsh*t, yes Rome was greatly inspired by Greece and partially Babylon in many inventions but they invented numerous things society views as a standart nowadays.

 

 

Name one thing.  I'm aware that this is hijacking the thread, and I really don't want to do that, but go on, name one thing they invented, as opposed to borrowing or 'being inspired' by another culture.  And remember, this spreading of ideas they did that you so admire, was done at the point of a sword.  I'm just grateful that nowadays studying archaeology doesn't mean I have to be in awe of this bunch of pirates!



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those who choose to dabble in forbidden(debateable or not) put us all at risk and undermines our work for freedom or reform

while i like those reforms. Logistics and non magi sentiment makes things impractical

 

Mages are already kept away from the rest of the populace.  Give their families the option of moving to live near a mage settlement - or even in the same settlement.  Stop spreading scare stories about mages.  Keeping them separate lets the scare stories take hold.  You know, small steps, slowly taken.



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Would you like to explain why these are impratical i am not saying we let the mages do what they want i just think we need to give them a chance to work and not feel liked prisoners but it can of course be stoped if a mage refuses to listen.

as much as im pro-magi we dont give much reason to get certain rights cause family often breeds strong emotions that can go either way. If you had a laid outbplan id join with reforms but i know how confusing stating reforms but no way to act on them

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I'm hoping there is a Compromise/Peace option in Inquisition involving the Mage-Templar War, yes. 

 

It seems the actual factions agreed too, considering the game begins at a peace conference with some of the leaders of all parties involved. Or at least Chantry and Mages. 

The Templars are there so they were willing to discuss peace at this point too.

 

Then again war isn't pretty so it has taken it's toll on both sides of the war and the ones caught in between the two sides.



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Name one thing.  I'm aware that this is hijacking the thread, and I really don't want to do that, but go on, name one thing they invented, as opposed to borrowing or being inspired by another culture.  And remember, this spreading of ideas they did that you so admire, was done at the point of a sword.


Aqueducts, concrete, bound books, newspapers, highways, the Julian calendar, the Twelve Tables, the Corpus Juris Civilis, military surgery and medical support, public welfare, public health support, satire, yes even socks were invented by the Romans.

And who cares by which means it was spread, name me one pacifist ancient society.
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The Templars are there so they were willing to discuss peace at this point too.

 

Then again war isn't pretty so it has taken it's toll on both sides of the war and the ones caught in between the two sides.

I couldn't remember if they were confirmed or not. Thank you. 

 

I think I can already see how this is going to go. After the explosion, the Templars will blame the Mages and the Mages will blame the Templars, each thinking the other was responsible. 



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as much as im pro-magi we dont give much reason to get certain rights cause family often breeds strong emotions that can go either way. If you had a laid outbplan id join with reforms but i know how confusing stating reforms but no way to act on them

Well i'm hoping the inquisitiion can come up with a peacefull solution with options but i know most mages don't have family so it's basically setting up the future for new mages being born we are taking baby steps.