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[Master Warder Z_]

I think the Chantry will come back stronger then ever.  I also think there will be a distinct difference in what it is and what it was. I think a lot of the hard liners will be removed/killed/eaten by demons or sucked into the rifts. I think it will be reformed to a degree and I think it will be more powerful, in a position of being independent and not so associated with Orlais so that it is better able to function.

 

Thats what I think anyway.....

 

I hope it goes even more hardline but that's me.

 

You cannot tolerate threats to the faith!

 

Qunari! Elves! Whatever!

[Master Warder Z_]

The Inquisition will be independent of the Chantry, though.

 

As independent as the purse strings anyway.

 

The Chantry is funding the bloody thing.

[ShadowLordXII]

The Orlesians declared Ferelden to be their province and the elves there to be cattle and yet the Chantry didn't intervene.

 

The Chantry only ever acts in its own interest and uses the faith of its followers further those interests.

 

I for one, cannot trust an organization with that power.

 

One of many reasons why I say let the Chantry die.

[Willowhugger]

What an exageration. Thedas didn't fell when Tevinter leadership was defeated, so Thedas surely won't fall because an church lost their hold. There will be chaos untill the dust settles, but give enough time and I'm sure things will eventually go back to normal.

 

And the nice thing here, is that if the game allows me, I could easily set services of charity to the people with the Inquisition WITHOUT demanding blind religious faith in return.

 

I think the Chantry does a tremendous amount of good, actually.

However, the fact it's a puppet of Orlais is very troubling.

 

I fully believe Orlesian interests were behind the sacking of the Dales and subsequent diaspora of the elves.

 

But yes, the Chantry can't be blamed for the racism and cruelty a lot of people do in their name anyway.

 

At least all of it.

 

The so-called Andraste-loving people of Rivain committed their pogroms against the Qun followers with no orders from above.

[Mabari-Master]

The Inquisition will be independent of the Chantry, though.

I don't think the Chantry will be able to exert the same level of influence it once did with the Inquisition around.

The Templars and Mages were the source of its power.

Very, very true. And now that power is gone. All the power the Chantry once had now belongs to the Inquisition.

[Willowhugger]

The Orlesians declared Ferelden to be their province and the elves there to be cattle and yet the Chantry didn't intervene.

 

The Chantry only ever acts in its own interest and uses the faith of its followers further those interests.

 

I for one, cannot trust an organization with that power.

 

The Chantry stopping the Qunari with an Exalted March=Good.

The Chantry going to war with Tevinter? Great.

Except, that wasn't about freeing slaves. It was about doctrine and power.

Which is a shame.

[Willowhugger]

As independent as the purse strings anyway.

 

The Chantry is funding the bloody thing.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if we secure independent funding for the Inquisition actually.

[Cainhurst Crow]

What an exageration. Thedas didn't fell when Tevinter leadership was defeated, so Thedas surely won't fall because an church lost their hold. There will be chaos untill the dust settles, but give enough time and I'm sure things will eventually go back to normal.

 

And the nice thing here, is that if the game allows me, I could easily set services of charity to the people with the Inquisition WITHOUT demanding blind religious faith in return.

 

Thedas had the chantry to assume power, backed by the large rebellion andraste brought forth uniting many people together and cushioning the blow. What you have is a motley crew brought together for one purpose, to close the fade tears. This isn't another andraste movement, you aren't fighting an oppressive regime and liberating nations, establishing a police order and a set of rules to rule by, etc. You're a specialist force, who will collapse once thier task is done as all specialist forces tend to do.

 

If you think everyones just going to blindly follow the inquisition as they tear down the chantry and declare themselves high moral compass of the new world, you are sadly mistaken.
 

[Master Warder Z_]

I wouldn't be surprised if we secure independent funding for the Inquisition actually.

 

Mmm, Armies march on their wallet.

 

I doubt much could replace the Chantry's wealth to be honest.

 

There is no economy backing up the Inquisition and without a party to actually pump money into the group, i doubt it will be around very long.

[Beerfish]

Funny how when people on here talk about the chantry they only see some big organization that run the templars and forget about every single location in thedas they have been to that has the local chantry that protects the common person during crisis and does all sorts of good charitable work.  Try viewing things through the eyes of the common man or lords or banns of the land rather then the hero that has to deal with corrupt mages and templars all day.  The chantry still has a ton of support from the majority of the populace so it is not or should not be up to the next warden, hawke or inquisitor to make any judgements about it's existence.

 

(Besides Andrate herself gives you a high five at the start of DAI thus giving you the close demon portal ability.)

[Mabari-Master]

^{The Chantry was not founded by Andraste, but by Kordilius Drakon, a mortal and an Orlesian. Kordilius' goal was to have the borders of Orlais stretch to all the corners of the world. The Chantry believes that the Chant of Light should spread to all corners of the world. Coincidence?}

[lordsaren101]

The chantry is evil. It should be eradicated. Bring back polytheistic worship. The maker is false.

[Icy Magebane]

Thedas had the chantry to assume power, backed by the large rebellion andraste brought forth uniting many people together and cushioning the blow. What you have is a motley crew brought together for one purpose, to close the fade tears. This isn't another andraste movement, you aren't fighting an oppressive regime and liberating nations, establishing a police order and a set of rules to rule by, etc. You're a specialist force, who will collapse once thier task is done as all specialist forces tend to do.

 

If you think everyones just going to blindly follow the inquisition as they tear down the chantry and declare themselves high moral compass of the new world, you are sadly mistaken.
 

I couldn't agree more.  People seem to be forgetting that the Inquisition's main force is made up of Chantry-raised humans who aren't going to blindly follow orders that go against their own nations and religious institutions.  There also seems to be an over-estimation of the Inquisition's level of influence... I guess that won't be settled until the game is released, but I am having a very hard time imagining that the Inquisitor will have nearly unlimited power to make sweeping socio-political changes across the continent.  The existing rulers and their armies aren't just going to stand around and let that happen without their blessing.  They sure as hell aren't going to finance it.

[Willowhugger]

Mmm, Armies march on their wallet.

 

I doubt much could replace the Chantry's wealth to be honest.

 

There is no economy backing up the Inquisition and without a party to actually pump money into the group, i doubt it will be around very long.

Depends on whether or not there's any territories outside Skyhold we hold the purse strings of.

 

Also, whether or not other nations would pay us to take care of their mages and demon problems.

 

Of course, the Templars somehow ran without the Chantry to fund them so I have no idea how that works.

[AlexiaRevan]

Funny how when people on her talk about the chantry they only see some big organization that run the templars and forget about every single location in thedas they have been to that has the local chantry that protects the common person during crisis and does all sorts of good charitable work.  Try viewing things through the eyes of the common man or lords or banns of the land rather then the hero that has to deal with corrupt mages and templars all day.  The chantry still has a ton of support from the majority of the populace so it is not or should not be up to the next warden, hawke or inquisitor to make any judgements about it's existence.

 

(Besides Andrate herself gives you a high five at the start of DAI thus giving you the close demon portal ability.)

Funny how when you mention the GOOD work of the chantry , you love ignoring its bad deeds or the fact the GOOD work only humans get it . 

[Willowhugger]

I couldn't agree more.  People seem to be forgetting that the Inquisition's main force is made up of Chantry-raised humans who aren't going to blindly follow orders that go against their own nations and religious institutions.  There also seems to be an over-estimation of the Inquisition's level of influence... I guess that won't be settled until the game is released, but I am having a very hard time imagining that the Inquisitor will have nearly unlimited power to make sweeping socio-political changes across the continent.  The existing rulers and their armies aren't just going to stand around and let that happen without their blessing.  They sure as hell aren't going to finance it.

I think the issue will be largely determined by the fact you're a religious figure, ironically.

And how much your followers believe in you.

 

The "Herald of Andraste" and all that has a lot of, ironically, religious capital to burn.

Plus, as the Protestant Reformation proves, Andraste does not mean Church.

 

A lot of people might HATE the Chantry while loving Andraste.

[RobRam10]

Death to the Chantry!

[Beerfish]

Funny how when you mention the GOOD work of the chantry , you love ignoring its bad deeds or the fact the GOOD work only humans get it . 

What are their bad deeds?  If I ignored them i no more ignored them than the ones that hate the organization ignore their good deeds.

 

And you kind of proved my previous point for me perfectly with your post. Thank you!

[Willowhugger]

Wow plenty of hate against the chantry

 

Real Thedans love Andraste.

Real Fereldans, Dalish, Tevinter, and Nevarrans hate the Chantry.

I exaggerate, I know, but I wouldn't be surprised to see how this goes.

I'm really curious how the Anderfels feel about the Chantry and the Templar-Mage war given their devout beliefs but the Orlesian supremecy of the Chantry.

[AlexiaRevan]

Well for starter they want to force the religion on all the species regardless of their own religion . How is that GOOD? 

[Mabari-Master]

How would many of these devout Andrastians would willingly follow a dwarf/elven/qunari Inquisitor?

 

Would you need to put in a little more effort to get people to follow you if you're a heathen?

[Willowhugger]

Well for starter they want to force the religion on all the species regardless of their own religion . How is that GOOD? 

To be fair, Brother Burkel just wants to talk about the religion.

Ditto Sebastian.

 

I support that.

 

It's when swords get involved, it's problematic.

[Willowhugger]

How would many of these devout Andrastians would willingly follow a dwarf/elven/qunari Inquisitor?

 

Would you need to put in a little more effort to get people to follow you if you're a heathen?

 

Maybe.

I mean, saving the entire world from the giant portal to Hell in the sky is again, pretty big religious capital.
 

[Icy Magebane]

I think the issue will be largely determined by the fact you're a religious figure, ironically.

And how much your followers believe in you.

 

The "Herald of Andraste" and all that has a lot of, ironically, religious capital to burn.

Plus, as the Protestant Reformation proves, Andraste does not mean Church.

 

A lot of people might HATE the Chantry while loving Andraste.

I've never seen any public outcry or action taken against the Chantry by the common folk.  They seem to have no problems with how things work... it's really just a small group of mages who led to the Circles' downfall, and I highly doubt that the average person in Thedas is sympathetic to their "plight."  A religious revolution led by a handful of radicals isn't going to have an easy time of swaying the views of an overwhelmingly large majority...