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[TTTX]

he was fair... a arse but fair

true, but I wonder how he didn't managed to hear about Meredith running Kirkwall. It's wasn't exactly a secret by the time act 3 happens.

[X Equestris]

And it seems that you are quite pro-Roman yourself.  We all have our blind spots.

Well, I never accused the Celts of being thieves and having no culture of their own. If you're judging by the icon, I intend to change it up every month. Next month is Carthage.

On topic, taking children from their parents is hardly an ideal situation, but your average peasant probably doesn't have the knowledge or money to properly take care of and train a mage child. If there were private tutors, you would end up with poor mage children lacking an education on how to use their powers. The Circle provides that education for free, and with a guaranteed quality.

[raging_monkey]

But the Chantry does spend money on raising mage children, so why not leave them with their parents?

magic doesnt show up til adolescentance so til then they are non-magi, til their "gift" shows up my friend

[Ryzaki]

he's still not a nice guy, he was fairly petty in this

 

the whole bringing down Jowan's girlfriend too? I'd be vindictive too if I had to tranquil a misguided idiot that I thought I could help but noooo Chantry law says he/she has to lose his/her emotions. He was tired of mages getting all the blame for **** even when templars and their lot could be equally culpable.

[Neon Rising Winter]

Well, I never accused the Celts of being thieves and having no culture of their own. If you're judging by the icon, I intend to change it up every month. Next month is Carthage.

On topic, taking children from their parents is hardly an ideal situation, but your average peasant probably doesn't have the knowledge or money to properly take care of and train a mage child. If there were private tutors, you would end up with poor mage children lacking an education on how to use their powers. The Circle provides that education for free, and with a guaranteed quality.

Hang on, how's it a guaranteed quality? Thedas has a branch of Ofsted? I want an option to burn it to the ground if they do.

[Steelcan]

the whole bringing down Jowan's girlfriend too? I'd be vindictive too if I had to tranquil a misguided idiot that I thought I could help but noooo Chantry law says he/she has to lose his/her emotions. He was tired of mages getting all the blame for **** even when templars and their lot could be equally culpable.

in this case Lily was tricked by a blood mage, some sympathy for her is due

[TTTX]

Well, I never accused the Celts of being thieves and having no culture of their own. If you're judging by the icon, I intend to change it up every month. Next month is Carthage.

On topic, taking children from their parents is hardly an ideal situation, but your average peasant probably doesn't have the knowledge or money to properly take care of and train a mage child. If there were private tutors, you would end up with poor mage children lacking an education on how to use their powers. The Circle provides that education for free, and with a guaranteed quality.

Meredith parents didn't have money do hire a tutor and look what happened.

[Icy Magebane]

The Chantry forcibly take the children and raise them in Chantry-run homes - all they have to do is leave the children with their parents and divert the money that would have gone to the homes to the Circles to pay for the children.  Letting mages have jobs to earn money would make them less dependent on Chantry funds too.

Alright, I think that sounds fair.  The money issue seems to be resolved, although I do not know exactly what kind of additional jobs mages could do.  They already create potions and magical items, so unless we expand the Circles even further to incorporate textile shops, I don't really see any additional money coming in...  Funding would probably remain as it is now, but that doesn't sound like it would be a problem.

 

I still have concerns about how these children will develop without being a part of normal society, but I guess that's something that we could discover when the time comes... yeah, okay, I think you made a good case.  I can't see any problems with it, so I would not be opposed to trying this out in one or two Circles... if it works out, this could be incorporated into the main system.

[raging_monkey]

true, but I wonder how he didn't managed to hear about Meredith running Kirkwall. It's wasn't exactly a secret by the time act 3 happens.

doesnt help that magi are dancing nude under the moon

[Ryzaki]

Hang on, how's it a guaranteed quality? Thedas has a branch of Ofsted? I want an option to burn it to the ground if they do.

 

As in guaranteed to having been a harrowed mage with a decent grasp of their powers I'd assume.

[Ryzaki]

in this case Lily was tricked by a blood mage, some sympathy for her is due

 

She wasn't a thrall though. Just a love sick idiot. Thus I have no sympathy. She let her lady boner get the best of her.

[Neon Rising Winter]

As in guaranteed to having been a harrowed mage with a decent grasp of their powers I'd assume.

Ah, self certification. That never ends badly.

[Ryzaki]

Ah, self certification. That never ends badly.

 

Because someone who may or maynot be a mage is better?

 

It's not like they can throw their kids at a dalish keeper (not if they're not City elves anyway).

[Lilaeth]

magic doesnt show up til adolescentance so til then they are non-magi, til their "gift" shows up my friend

 

But that makes no difference to the Chantry - they take them away at birth, and presumably wait until they are teenagers to see if they have magic or not.  So, again, why can they not spend those years in the circle, with their parents?  Of course the 'circle' would, in reality, have to be a settlement rather than a building, but you know what I mean.  Stealing the mages' children is just another way the Chantry has of illustrating and practicing its power over the mages.  There's no other reason for doing it.

[X Equestris]

Meredith parents didn't have money do hire a tutor and look what happened.

My point. They also hid their daughter from the Chantry.

[Icy Magebane]

But that makes no difference to the Chantry - they take them away at birth, and presumably wait until they are teenagers to see if they have magic or not.  So, again, why can they not spend those years in the circle, with their parents?  Of course the 'circle' would, in reality, have to be a settlement rather than a building, but you know what I mean.  Stealing the mages' children is just another way the Chantry has of illustrating and practicing its power over the mages.  There's no other reason for doing it.

No, see that part I still disagree with.  Unless you are talking about building something like the Great Wall of China around this each of these settlements?

[Lilaeth]

Alright, I think that sounds fair.  The money issue seems to be resolved, although I do not know exactly what kind of additional jobs mages could do.  They already create potions and magical items, so unless we expand the Circles even further to incorporate textile shops, I don't really see any additional money coming in...  Funding would probably remain as it is now, but that doesn't sound like it would be a problem.

 

I still have concerns about how these children will develop without being a part of normal society, but I guess that's something that we could discover when the time comes... yeah, okay, I think you made a good case.  I can't see any problems with it, so I would not be opposed to trying this out in one or two Circles... if it works out, this could be incorporated into the main system.

 

There are plenty of mundane (as in non-magical) jobs that need to be done to support the magi in a circle.  Their non-magical offspring could do those, which would save the circle from having to hire help. They could work for their keep, and a (probably) smaller wage than hirelings get.  I don't doubt many of them would move away, rather than be stuck with the Templars or whoever is providing 'security', but letting mages raise their children would result in them being more co-operative.  Or less likely to raise a rebellion, if you prefer to look at it that way!

[Neon Rising Winter]

Because someone who may or maynot be a mage is better?

I thought we were trying to establish whether the guarantee of quality provided by a circle was a reliable and consistent minimum standard, rather than potentially flawed due to a lack of oversight.

[raging_monkey]

But that makes no difference to the Chantry - they take them away at birth, and presumably wait until they are teenagers to see if they have magic or not.  So, again, why can they not spend those years in the circle, with their parents?  Of course the 'circle' would, in reality, have to be a settlement rather than a building, but you know what I mean.  Stealing the mages' children is just another way the Chantry has of illustrating and practicing its power over the mages.  There's no other reason for doing it.

what if a child who has magic and surfaces early stills a book and causes damage or becomes possessed if i was a parent id take every pre-caution. But i see where you stand

[Medhia_Nox]

I suggest we let the Chantry fall. Power vacuums are actually the best thing for stability!

 

@Lilaeth: Actually - given the parents raising children today - taking away a mage's child before they can say: "Not MY little Jowan!  *BLAST FREEZE KABOOM!*" really sounds like the ONLY option. Most parents would be the absolute worst teachers to prepare a child to resist demons.

[Lilaeth]

No, see that part I still disagree with.  Unless you are talking about building something like the Great Wall of China around this each of these settlements?

 

 The walls don't even have to be stone.  A bank and ditch model would be cheap and easy to build.  Or just remodel the Circle building so that they have apartments rather than single rooms.  There could be many different ways of making this work.

[Ryzaki]

I thought we were trying to establish whether the guarantee of quality provided by a circle was a reliable and consistent minimum standard, rather than potentially flawed due to a lack of oversight.

 

Why wouldn't it be a reliable minimum standard?

 

Not to mention the flaw due to lack of oversight is a pretty big issue when Conner crap happens as a result.

[X Equestris]

I thought we were trying to establish whether the guarantee of quality provided by a circle was a reliable and consistent minimum standard, rather than potentially flawed due to a lack of oversight.

If you can survive the Harrowing, I imagine you would be qualified to teach at least the basics. The Circle's hierarchy probably has some method of choosing who should be teaching what as well.

[Lilaeth]

I suggest we let the Chantry fall. Power vacuums are actually the best thing for stability!

 

@Lilaeth: Actually - given the parents raising children today - taking away a mage's child before they can say: "Not MY little Jowan!  *BLAST FREEZE KABOOM!*" really sounds like the ONLY option. Most parents would be the absolute worst teachers to prepare a child to resist demons.

 

You need to meet my parents then.  

[Master Warder Z_]

true, but I wonder how he didn't managed to hear about Meredith running Kirkwall. It's wasn't exactly a secret by the time act 3 happens.

 

Story reasons.