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[AlexiaRevan]

No I mean the goal of the chantry is to convert everyone , isn't it ? 

[AutumnWitch]

Yes...it should be wiped out BUT....what replaces it might even be worse. It just needs to change some of its dogma and it would be bearable. But it's just a symptom of what's wrong in Thedas with humans being scared of what they can't control (Mages) and scared of those who are different (Elves).

 

As some one who always plays Elven Mages (given the chance) I will do my upmost to bring it down...but I am sure BW won't allow it.

[raging_monkey]

Well for starter they want to force the religion on all the species regardless of their own religion . How is that GOOD?

cultrual uniformity to some will make the world safer. If you believe that personally i think its borderline cleansing a group of different people

[Willowhugger]

I've never seen any public outcry or action taken against the Chantry by the common folk.  They seem to have no problems with how things work... it's really just a small group of mages who led to the Circle's downfall, and I highly doubt that the average person in Thedas is sympathetic to their "plight."  A religious revolution led by a handful of radicals isn't going to have an easy time of swaying the views of an overwhelmingly large majority...

 

Ditto Elves. Some seem faithful but most resent it.

 

We meet a lot of people who don't have much respect for the Chantry, though.

 

Of our companions, Wynne, Sebastian, and Leliana are the only ones we meet who express religious sentiments.

[Mabari-Master]

No I mean the goal of the chantry is to convert everyone , isn't it ? 

Yes, it is. The Chantry believes that only when the Chant of Light is spread and sung from all corners of the world will the Maker return. That means converting and i.e. crushing everyone else who doesn't believe in the Chant. That includes Orzammar Dwarves, Dalish Elves, Qunari and indigenous humans.

[Master Warder Z_]

Of course, the Templars somehow ran without the Chantry to fund them so I have no idea how that works.

 

Because they have wealth, backing and influence outside the Chantry.

 

Lyrium Smuggling rings, relations to nobility, it goes on and on.

 

The Templar Order is OLD, it has friends.

[Mabari-Master]

cultrual uniformity to some will make the world safer. If you believe that personally i think its borderline cleansing a group of different people

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just responding to what you said, but what you're saying right here sounds kinda like the Nazi's Final Solution.

[Willowhugger]

Because they have wealth, backing and influence outside the Chantry.

 

Lyrium Smuggling rings, relations to nobility, it goes on and on.

 

The Templar Order is OLD, it has friends.

 

A good reason to absorb its defeated remnants, I suppose.

[AlexiaRevan]

cultrual uniformity to some will make the world safer. If you believe that personally i think its borderline cleansing a group of different people

If peoples cannot make the world safer without crushing others peoples lifes or religions . Maybe these said peoples shouldn't be put in a position where they have to care for the safety of anyone . 

[Willowhugger]

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just responding to what you said, but what you're saying right here sounds kinda like the Nazi's Final Solution.

That was genetics.

What he's preaching is just the proper path of the Qun.

:-)

[Cainhurst Crow]

I think the issue will be largely determined by the fact you're a religious figure, ironically.

And how much your followers believe in you.

 

The "Herald of Andraste" and all that has a lot of, ironically, religious capital to burn.

Plus, as the Protestant Reformation proves, Andraste does not mean Church.

 

A lot of people might HATE the Chantry while loving Andraste.

 

The problem with that is your army isn't one strictly loyal to you, its essentially on loan to you for stopping the fade tears. The minute the fade is back in order that army, infrastructure, possibly the entire inquisition, will either shrink dramatically or fall apart all together.

 

You got mercenary groups, who work for coin and probably wouldn't have a qualm stabbing you in the back now that the immediate danger is dealt with.

 

Mages, who won't stand by you once this is settled unless you 100% support their agenda of total sovereignty and impunity from the law.

 

Templars, who will likely be loyal to the andrastian faith still and in some ways the chantry, or otherwise face the same issue as mages above.

 

Dalish clans, who will likely demand you support them getting a homeland and killing all the humans within said homeland before they agree to life a finger in your name post fade crisis.

 

What I call Common Goal soliders, soliders who loyalty are to other organizations or people, but who worked for you on their order or for the common good.

 

And of course, the orlesian and chantry support, of which you will be spitting in the eye of to declare yourself messiah.

 

 

It's not a cohesive organization, and while servicable to deal with the fade crisis, once that is resolved, that loyalty could likely end.

[Eveangaline]

As long as it's demilitarized and survives or falls based on the merit of it's beliefs rather than how many it can threaten into conversion I don't care.

[Mabari-Master]

That was genetics.

What he's preaching is just the proper path of the Qun.

:-)

Oh. Sorry, forget what I said.

[The Ascendant]

The Qun demands it. The Templars will be absorbed into the Inquisition and the mages will be restrained properly and humanely. When the Antaam comes, my Qunari warrior will welcome them with open arms.

[raging_monkey]

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm just responding to what you said, but what you're saying right here sounds kinda like the Nazi's Final Solution.

oh im not taking it wrong. Must have miswrote. I was saying that the chantry's way of conversion is a attempt of unicultrualism, i dont subscribe to the practice its really my only grip with them

[Icy Magebane]

Ditto Elves. Some seem faithful but most resent it.

 

We meet a lot of people who don't have much respect for the Chantry, though.

 

Of our companions, Wynne, Sebastian, and Leliana are the only ones we meet who express religious sentiments.

Who are you referring to exactly?  I've never heard a human non-mage complain about the Chantry... not even once actually.  Of course non-humans won't like it, but the average city elf doesn't have the strength to get out of the slums and the dwarves haven't made any progress in beating back the darkspawn.  The Dalish live in constant fear of the Chantry, but again, they are too weak for their resentment to matter.  They are in no position to question the Chantry's authority.  Until I hear of non-mage human nobles and commoners who despise the Chantry, I'm going to have to assume that the vast majority of Thedas likes having them around.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The Qun demands it. The Templars will be absorbed into the Inquisition and the mages will be restrained properly and humanely. When the Antaam comes, my Qunari warrior will welcome them with open arms.

And then they'll get a murder knife to the back.

 

You can't force loyalty. Only patient and fearful resentment. The moment an opportunity shows, you'll be dead.

[Willowhugger]

It's not a cohesive organization, and while servicable to deal with the fade crisis, once that is resolved, that loyalty could likely end.

 

 

 

You have diplomats, military arms, and an intelligence organization with clear heads to all three.

You also have a base of operation, can make judgements, and military preparedness ratings.

This is the most professional group we've yet seen.

Also, the Mages or Templars will build a base in your home which you control.

You can't get much more official than that.

[Br3admax]

Yes...it should be wiped out BUT....what replaces it might even be worse. It just needs to change some of its dogma and it would be bearable. But it's just a symptom of what's wrong in Thedas with humans being scared of what they can't control (Mages) and scared of those who are different (Elves).

 

As some one who always plays Elven Mages (given the chance) I will do my upmost to bring it down...but I am sure BW won't allow it.

Or in other words: YAAAASSSSSSS! I don't agree with it's policies. Mages aren't that dangerous except all the time, but hey, it's not right. And it's okay for the elves to kill people. So yeah, let's go on a rampage and attack the evil church, even if most of these issues has nothing to do with them, and more to do with the opinion of Thedas as a whole. My opinion means more. 

[raging_monkey]

If peoples cannot make the world safer without crushing others peoples lifes or religions . Maybe these said peoples shouldn't be put in a position where they have to care for the safety of anyone .

just giving a viewpoint i dont subscribe to the theory

[AlexiaRevan]

Or in other words: YAAAASSSSSSS! I don't agree with it's policies. Mages aren't that dangerous except all the time, but hey, it's not right. And it's okay for the elves to kill people. So yeah, let's go on a rampage and attack the evil church, even if most of these issues has nothing to do with them, and more to do with the opinion of Thedas as a whole. My opinion means more. 

Most of the issues has nothing to do with them ? You kidding right ? who blabber all the time it is the Maker will ?? The chantry isn't a bordello . It is a religion and peoples use it to hide behind it . So yeah , take their toys or their shield....then maybe we can see the real issue : Aka the opinion of Thedas as a whole . 

[Mabari-Master]

Here's another matter to bring up. If we have the chance should we also cripple the qunari?

[Cainhurst Crow]

You have diplomats, military arms, and an intelligence organization with clear heads to all three.

You also have a base of operation, can make judgements, and military preparedness ratings.

This is the most professional group we've yet seen.

Also, the Mages or Templars will build a base in your home which you control.

You can't get much more official than that.

 

1. Those advisors are on loan, Leiliana head of your intelligence branch is loyal to the chantry. Cullen head of the military branch could easily denounce you opposing the chantry. Josephine your dipolatic branch is an old friend to leiliana and a famed ambassador to multiple courts. None of them have an obligation to fight the chantry or support you doing so.

2. You have a base that you take over after it was abandoned, big whoop. Just because you control the faucilities during the fade crisis doesn't mean you'll be able to do so in the future once your task is done.

 

3. Whats your point?

 

4. Mages and templars don't need to stay in your bases once this is done. Nothing except the threat of force would be able to logically stop them, and doing so would on;y make you an oppressive force to them by keeping them in a place they don't want to stay in.

 

5. Again, you are officially a group started to address the fade tear crisis. Once that is done, there's nothing to make your forces stick together, espeically if you pursue the idiotic goal of "Let's tear down the chantry"

[Cainhurst Crow]

Most of the issues has nothing to do with them ? You kidding right ? who blabber all the time it is the Maker will ?? The chantry isn't a bordello . It is a religion and peoples use it to hide behind it . So yeah , take their toys or their shield....then maybe we can see the real issue : Aka the opinion of Thedas as a whole . 

 

You know what people use to hide behind as well? Family ties.

 

Let's kill everyone with a family, that way no one will pull a favor or anyone else ever again.

[AlexiaRevan]

Here's another matter to bring up. If we have the chance should we also cripple the qunari?

Considering the state of the world . That would be a bad move......thats like sending an army that is battered to fight fresh soldier ready to fight . Insta fail .