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[Willowhugger]

Cullen, Leliana, and all of the others seem to have left the Chantry to join the Inquisition.

They've beat the drum, "You are not part of the Chantry" pretty hard.

[AlexiaRevan]

You know what people use to hide behind as well? Family ties.

 

Let's kill everyone with a family, that way no one will pull a favor or anyone else ever again.

Be my guest . If that make you happy...slaughter away . 

[Br3admax]

Most of the issues has nothing to do with them ? You kidding right ? who blabber all the time it is the Maker will ??  

Literally everyone. Try harder. 

[GodBrandon]

My inquisitor will fight for The Maker, Andraste, and the Chantry. Chantry for life

[AlexiaRevan]

But the chantry is the dominant here . Thats why it is an issue . 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Be my guest . If that make you happy...slaughter away . 

 

Why is it people use personal happiness as some sort of measure anyway?

 

Mass killings okay as long as it makes you happy? U Wot M8?

[Cainhurst Crow]

But the chantry is the dominant here . Thats why it is an issue . 

 

Seems to me nations are the dominant ones here. They seem to be the ones who cause the most problems.

[Br3admax]

But the chantry is the dominant here . Thats why it is an issue . 

Dominant to what? Your opinion? It is. 

[Br3admax]

Seems to me nations are the dominant ones here. They seem to be the ones who cause the most problems.

Let's blow them up next. 

[AutumnWitch]

Or in other words: YAAAASSSSSSS! I don't agree with it's policies. Mages aren't that dangerous except all the time, but hey, it's not right. And it's okay for the elves to kill people. So yeah, let's go on a rampage and attack the evil church, even if most of these issues has nothing to do with them, and more to do with the opinion of Thedas as a whole. My opinion means more. 

 

Perhaps as someone IRL who is a woman, minority religion (Celtic Witch) and a Lesbian I can see too many similarities between the Chantry and "The Church". I'm not dangerous (unless I am attacked) or nor do I kill people nor do I try to convert anyone. But "the chruch" would like nothing more for me to burn in hell.

 

The Dalish are harmless (unless provoked), they don't kill humans that don't ask for it and they don't go out trying to convert Chantry followers. But the Chantry turns a blind eye to the abuse set upon them by humans, they raid their camps looking for apostates, don't get me started on all the betrayals. please....the Chantry might be good in theory but in practice its abusive, corrupt and hypocritical at best.

[AlexiaRevan]

You are the one who spoke of mass killing not me . 

[MKDAWUSS]

Schisms are inevitable.

[X Equestris]

Yes, it is. The Chantry believes that only when the Chant of Light is spread and sung from all corners of the world will the Maker return. That means converting and i.e. crushing everyone else who doesn't believe in the Chant. That includes Orzammar Dwarves, Dalish Elves, Qunari and indigenous humans.

Conversion does not necessarily imply force. Plenty of people convert to one religion or another of their own free will.

[Mabari-Master]

Considering the state of the world . That would be a bad move......thats like sending an army that is battered to fight fresh soldier ready to fight . Insta fail .

Fair point, but you don't need an army to cripple a country or a people. Just a well placed arrow, or a certain cake or dlc.

[Mabari-Master]

Perhaps as someone IRL who is a woman, minority religion (Celtic Witch) and a Lesbian I can see too many similarities between the Chantry and "The Church". I'm not dangerous (unless I am attacked) or nor do I kill people nor do I try to convert anyone. But "the chruch" would like nothing more for me to burn in hell.

 

The Dalish are harmless (unless provoked), they don't kill humans that don't ask for it and they don't go out trying to convert Chantry followers. But the Chantry turns a blind eye to the abuse set upon them by humans, they raid their camps looking for apostates, don't get me started on all the betrayals. please....the Chantry might be good in theory but in practice its abusive, corrupt and hypocritical at best.

While I agree with your assertions about the Chantry, I feel like I need to say this; Dalish elves, more specifically the ones in Orlais often resort to banditry, but what other choice do they have? And the Dalish in Anitva are known to be particularly violent.

[Steelcan]

We aren't going to be eliminating the Chantry.

 

Its the cornerstone o most of Thedas's society and undoing it won't happen quickly or easily, and certainly not in one game.

[raging_monkey]

This got heated quickly lets all calm down a tick we are crossing touchy subjects

[Master Warder Z_]

While I agree with your assertions about the Chantry, I feel like I need to say this; Dalish elves, more specifically the ones in Orlais often resort to banditry, but what other choice do they have? 

 

They can abandon a war they lost long ago and actually accept reality and become part of the world again.

[Br3admax]

Perhaps as someone IRL who is a woman, minority religion (Celtic Witch) and a Lesbian I can see too many similarities between the Chantry and "The Church". I'm not dangerous (unless I am attacked) or nor do I kill people nor do I try to convert anyone. But "the chruch" would like nothing more for me to burn in hell.

 

 

That's amazing. I'm not sure why you're sharing your life story with me, but I thank you. Who knew we'd be such fast friends? Did you know none of those things matter to the Chantry? Just checking. In fact, most of those would make you the majority, not the minority. 

 

 

The Dalish are harmless (unless provoked), they don't kill humans that don't ask for it and they don't go out trying to convert Chantry followers.

Zathrian

Tamlen

Marethari

That Dalish Assassin

The Dales

The clan from Masked Empire 

 

Killed a whole bunch of people who didn't ask for it, and spit on their own kinsmen for not agreeing with them. 

 

 

 But the Chantry turns a blind eye to the abuse set upon them by humans, 

The Dalish are a people, the Chantry is a church. Again, blame the country and the people as whole. 

 

 

they raid their camps looking for apostates,    

You're telling me when criminals escape from the authorities, they go after them? And it's wrong? Learn something new everyday. 

 

 

don't get me started on all the betrayals. please....the Chantry might be good in theory but in practice its abusive, corrupt and hypocritical at best.

Based on what, exactly? 

[AlexiaRevan]

The question was : Should we let the chantry fall ? 

You have one group who believe Nooooo the chantry does good and waaahhhhh it work fine . And blasphemy , if anyone disagree they are either 'Atheis , elf , dwarf and merely have no real reason to like the chantry ' . 

Then you have the other group who want to burn the chantry (because its evillllllllllllll....burn it with fireeeeee! because we hate religionnnnn arghhhh stab stab! or because who know why) . 

Then you have the group who see the minoritee of elf , dalish and dwarf and say 'Either the chantry backoff and let us have our religion or yes it has to come down . And at this we get : Nooo your system is wrong too thats why you should embrace the Maker blahblah ) . 

So in the end , the issue become this : Your point is not valid , and I refuse to see it from your view point or even remotely consider it . And it's always the same peoples who do this . They were in the topic of Mage vs Templar , then they were in the other topic of 'Chantry does good work' . You guys won't budge from your position and you are doing what I hate about the chantry : Shooting any discussion or point of view down and trying to ridiculous what others say at the same time shoving down your own view . Fine . Have fun cose I'm done here . 

[AutumnWitch]

While I agree with your assertions about the Chantry, I feel like I need to say this; Dalish elves, more specifically the ones in Orlais often resort to banditry, but what other choice do they have? And the Dalish in Anitva are known to be particularly violent.

 

Well one could argue they have every right to be. You can only push someone so far before they start to push back.

[Reznore57]

Cullen, Leliana, and all of the others seem to have left the Chantry to join the Inquisition.

They've beat the drum, "You are not part of the Chantry" pretty hard.

 

Meh.

Who's the Chantry after the event at the start of DAI , anyway?

 

For me , that's unclear.You have Cass , Leliana and co willing to go on with the Divine's orders (I assume she dies) and create an Inquisition.

Cassandra uses a loophole in Chantry's law , it seems.

Maybe some old revered mothers are unhappy about what's she's doing ...so what?There's nothing they can do about it , and they can't fix the fade tears.

 

If they are clever ladies , they will let you walk around with Chantry symbolism , surrounded by Chantry folk ...saving the world.

That's not bad for them .

If they are really really clever they will get the Inquisitor assassinated once the fade breach is closed.

Everyone loves a martyr .

 

Anyway at best you can push forward some reforms ,I imagine.

[Icy Magebane]

While I agree with your assertions about the Chantry, I feel like I need to say this; Dalish elves, more specifically the ones in Orlais often resort to banditry, but what other choice do they have? And the Dalish in Anitva are known to be particularly violent.

They can leave and try to find new land to settle?  Becoming bandits is hard to justify... it's not like anyone is forcing them to stay in Orlais and Antiva...

[Cainhurst Crow]

Perhaps as someone IRL who is a woman, minority religion (Celtic Witch) and a Lesbian I can see too many similarities between the Chantry and "The Church". I'm not dangerous (unless I am attacked) or nor do I kill people nor do I try to convert anyone. But "the chruch" would like nothing more for me to burn in hell.
 
The Dalish are harmless (unless provoked), they don't kill humans that don't ask for it and they don't go out trying to convert Chantry followers. But the Chantry turns a blind eye to the abuse set upon them by humans, they raid their camps looking for apostates, don't get me started on all the betrayals. please....the Chantry might be good in theory but in practice its abusive, corrupt and hypocritical at best.

Are you celtic?

And more to the point, as for the dalish being harmless, since when? The entire dalish recruiting mission in DAO dealt with zatheran precisely lashing out against humans who didn't deserve it, cursing them to live as werewolves once they were attacked for a crime centuries past that none of them were a part of. In the dalish origins tamlen is all to eager to wantonly slaughter humans for being humans. The werewolf hunters in DA2 were murdering people who had no say in what they did, and had no qualm about them having been cursed. Then there's the dalish in the masked empire who, spoiler alert, want to launch a genocide against all of humanity and non-dalish elves and summoned an eldrict abomination to accomplish that feat.

Dalish aren't harmless, and saying they are is the true turning of the blind eye.

[Mabari-Master]

Okay AutumnWitch and Br3admax, when did this thread turn into the fighting ground for a religious debate? I started this thread to get peoples opinions not get them to fight each other.