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[FiveThreeTen]

Hey, a lot of people complained about the boringness of combat for non mages in DAO.  I wasn't one of them, but I remember the complaints on BSN regarding it. BW is listening.

 

In the end it is an animation in combat, which bothers me much less then actual departures from lore in the story-ie no threat of demon possession, no lyrium for templar powers, no blight sickness, non reaction to bloodmages, etc etc etc.

True. I admit I was one of those people rolling their eyes at the combat animations when the DA2 demo was released.
In the end, it didn't stop me from enjoying my nightmare playthroughs. But there will always be a part of me that remains nostalgic of the tasteful SnB moves in DA:O.

 

Those departures from lore you mentionned irk me too, mostly because I think they could affect the gameplay in an interesting way (as long as the game mechanics don't become too tedious) . The combat animations are mostly a matter of aesthetics for me. "Edgy" and over-the-top isn't a selling point for everybody.

[leaguer of one]

 

- Yes. Since the game tells us only mages can use magic, and the one creating the shockwave is not a mage.

Wrong, mages ,runes made of lyrium , people with the taint, people enhanced by lyrium, people who injested or infused with lyrium ,and mortals infused with spirits projects magic.

[wcholcombe]

True. I admit I was one of those people rolling their eyes at the combat animations when the DA2 demo was released.
In the end, it didn't stop me from enjoying my nightmare playthroughs. But there will always be a part of me that remains nostalgic of the tasteful SnB moves in DA:O.

 

Those departures from lore you mentionned irk me too, mostly because I think they could affect the gameplay in an interesting way (as long as the game mechanics don't become too tedious) . The combat animations are mostly a matter of aesthetics for me. "Edgy" and over-the-top isn't a selling point for everybody.

That is fully my point. There are no game ramifications in one way or another for the combat animations so they are just the animations that are used.  My Qunari Inquisitor is suddenly flashing yellow spike hair and flying around, it is the animation of the attack. True it would work better if it was limited to using a Great Maul or something, but this isn't something I am really going to lose sleep over. It is an attack I will use to kill things.

[Patriciachr34]

David Gaider disagrees with you so I will take his word for it.
 
Also, in the comics Alistair himself says that he started taking lyrium again to have his templar powers.

I have not read the comics and was unaware that DG addressed this directly. I have my own views and Minot experiences with addiction itself, but do not think this is the venue to discuss such matters. This dog gets to nap.

[Rawgrim]

Wrong, mages ,runes made of lyrium , people with the taint, people enhanced by lyrium, people who injested or infused with lyrium ,and mortals infused with spirits projects magic.

 

That is magic added from an outside source, perfectly within the frames of the lore.

 

You can do the shockwave move with a normal rusty sword. Iron Bull can do it as well, and he isn*t infused with anything. Your argument is mute.

[Rawgrim]

I have not read the comics and was unaware that DG addressed this directly. I have my own views and Minot experiences with addiction itself, but do not think this is the venue to discuss such matters. This dog gets to nap.

 

The comics arn't canon, though. So whatever happens in them are more of a "what if" kind of thing.

[leaguer of one]

The comics arn't canon, though. So whatever happens in them are more of a "what if" kind of thing.

The comic are canon. The events are just different based on what ever decision you've done that conflicts with some of the events. 

[wcholcombe]

The comics arn't canon, though. So whatever happens in them are more of a "what if" kind of thing.

Whether they are canon or not is immaterial. They show conclusively that templars have to take lyrium in order to have their powers.

 

In addition Gaider stated the same thing.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Well, I'm not sure we can consider the existence of dark matter to be entirely certain. It's still somewhat of an ass pull. And I am not quite sure what you mean by the second part of that sentence. I'd certainly consider curving space to be a mechanism and that specific mechanism is very well established and understood. Or are you talking about mechanism in the sense of the details of gravity in QFT?

Why does spacetime curve in the presence of mass?

[wcholcombe]

Why does spacetime curve in the presence of mass?

Magic!

 

Sorry couldn't resist

[NextArishok]

VERY happy to see this.  Mighty blow is one of my favs.  and that first skill might be good too.

[LinksOcarina]

Why does spacetime curve in the presence of mass?

 

Who gives a ****, it's a game. Einstein doesn't really matter much in Dragon Age

[leaguer of one]

Why does spacetime curve in the presence of mass?

At 0:40.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Seriously, did someone say it doesn't work because the lore doesn't support it???

Are we really getting back to the gameplay/lore segregation issue.

In DAO Allistar not taking regular doses of lyrium disagrees with the lore, the fact that half our party didn't contract blight sickness disagrees with the lore, the fact that we could heal the mubari that had blight sickness disagrees with the lore, the darkspawn necromancer bringing the ogre back to life disagrees with the lore, mages teleporting disagrees with the lore, being able to turn Wynne or Morrigan into bloodmages disagrees with the lore.

Dragon age is built on gameplay/lore segregation, they don't always agree with each other.

Where gameplay/lore segregation exists, I would like it to be subtle, rather than standing up abf waving at me.

And there was nothing wrong with making Morrigan or Wynne blood mages.

[leaguer of one]

Who gives a ****, it's a game. Einstein doesn't really matter much in Dragon Age

That's his point.

[LinksOcarina]

I believe his point was the same, but the effect of the curvature must be documented and consistent.

 

It's hard to tell sometimes with Sylvius. It's why we love him so. 

[NextArishok]

Who gives a ****, it's a game. Einstein doesn't really matter much in Dragon Age

While I did like your post and will always agree with this viewpoint....I have to admit skills like whirlwind that I just go around and around hitting everything with no reaction does take me out of the game a lot.  It makes me feel like im playing a child's game or something.  I really don't like it, but I just choose to not use the abilities.  It is a video game and its not real life so its to be expected in many areas.

 

I do enjoy and prefer games that lean more towards a "realistic" style of play than over the top cartoon crap though.  We are beating down  demons and closing rifts with our hands while rolling with mages.  I don't think realism is big here

[leaguer of one]

Where gameplay/lore segregation exists, I would like it to be subtle, rather than standing up abf waving at me.

And there was nothing wrong with making Morrigan or Wynne blood mages.

But warrior abilities have never been that consistent in feats of strength and endurance standards.

[Illyria God King of the Primordium]

Why does spacetime curve in the presence of mass?

Why is G the number it is?  Why is the rest energy of an electron what it is?  We don't know.  

 

I think.  Haven't gotten to that bit of my course yet so I could be talking out of my ass.  

[wcholcombe]

Where gameplay/lore segregation exists, I would like it to be subtle, rather than standing up abf waving at me.

And there was nothing wrong with making Morrigan or Wynne blood mages.

Truly?  what about I don't know their deep personal dislikes for blood magic?  Wynne is Andrastian to the bone and Morrigan disliked it on a personal level. Ask her she would tell you all about it.

[Lennard Testarossa]

Why does spacetime curve in the presence of mass?

 

That's a different question, isn't it? The curving of spacetime is the mechanism by which one mass exerts gravitational force on another. The question you're asking is why this mechanism works the way it does.

 

My answer to why that is the case would be that it is a necessary conclusion of the combination of the equivalence principle and special relativity. (As far as I can remember, that's pretty much all you need.)
 

[Joseph Warrick]

So tremor is now mighty blow? It's even got the tremor icon. What is the old mighty blow called?

[Sylvius the Mad]

Who gives a ****, it's a game. Einstein doesn't really matter much in Dragon Age

My point is, we don't necessarily have these answers in the real world, so there's no reason for to require them from the game. The mechanics should tell us what happens, and they should be universally applicable, but they don't need to come with justifications.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Truly? what about I don't know their deep personal dislikes for blood magic? Wynne is Andrastian to the bone and Morrigan disliked it on a personal level. Ask her she would tell you all about it.

And everyone in the world is always honest about everything, so naturally they would have to be teeling the truth.

I think making Wynne a blood mage makes her a much more interesting character. She goes from being a paragon of virtue to being a massive hypocrite. That makes for an interesting playthrough.

Wynne doesn't need to be the same person in everyone's game.