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[Akkos]

Vivienne = One of Flemeth's old daughters cast into the orlesian nobility. She knows Flemeth is behind all this... that's why she joined the Inquisition.

 

I guess.

[Girtuoklis]

Who cares. She is ugly, I rather romance Dorian with male inquisitor than her.

[Xilizhra]

So, wait, they really did blatantly screw over lesbian players?

[Yinello]

So, wait, they really did blatantly screw over lesbian players?

 

No? There's still Sera and Josephine, two choices just as many for gay players and straight guy players.

[Xilizhra]

No? There's still Sera and Josephine, two choices just as many for gay players and straight guy players.

So both Solas and Blackwall are straight and they screwed gay men over as well? Impressive; I had no idea it would have gone that far.

[jtav]

Getting the same amount of choices you got last time is not screwed over. Straight elf females, get four options, straight human females get three. Everyone else gets two, except bisexuals for obvious reasons. A lesbian is no more "screwed over" than a straight man.

[Xilizhra]

Getting the same amount of choices you got last time is not screwed over. Straight elf females, get four options, straight human females get three. Everyone else gets two, except bisexuals for obvious reasons. A lesbian is no more "screwed over" than a straight man.

The observation coming from the demographic that got twice as much as everyone else is noted, but I'm not happy for straight men either. And the screwing-over came from the incredibly poorly-distributed writing budget that apparently made no effort at all to be fair.

 

I'm starting to suspect that Sera's romance will be shallow and pornlike, if precedent and the decisions thus far are any indication.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Oh look... Even more whining about quantity...

[dutch_gamer]

The observation coming from the demographic that got twice as much as everyone else is noted, but I'm not happy for straight men either. And the screwing-over came from the incredibly poorly-distributed writing budget that apparently made no effort at all to be fair.
 
I'm starting to suspect that Sera's romance will be shallow and pornlike, if precedent and the decisions thus far are any indication.

Straight men are getting the exact same amount of options as before. There is nothing unfair about straight female gamers who happen to play elves get a few more options.

It seems some expect BioWare to just create the entire game using a ruler to make sure everyone is completely equally represented. This is not likely the way BioWare operates when it comes to creating a game. They probably create a concept of characters/companions they think fit the setting and then at some point it is decided upon which companions they want to fully flesh out. And basing which companions to include out of a bigger list using some "fairness" brush can eliminate what would have been better and more intriguing companions solely because some people think that if they get the same amount of options as before but one group gets more they are being treated unfairly.

BioWare was pretty much left with 3 companions to turn into companions (Cole and Varric have likely always been out) and for Vivienne there apparently is a reason why is not romanceable. So BioWare only had the option to turn Cullen and Solas into romance options. Especially in the case of Cullen he has been a straight character since DAO.

[Xilizhra]

Oh look... Even more whining about quantity...

Oh look, another post that's both lacking in content and seems to be offended by the notion of feedback.

 

At any rate, we don't have the game yet, so I can't yet complain about quality. I assure you that that'll be incoming over quantity should it be necessary, however.

 

 

Straight men are getting the exact same amount of options as before. There is nothing unfair about straight female gamers who happen to play elves get a few more options.

It seems some expect BioWare to just create the entire game using a ruler to make sure everyone is completely equally represented. This is not likely the way BioWare operates when it comes to creating a game. They probably create a concept of characters/companions they think fit the setting and then at some point it is decided upon which companions they want to fully flesh out. And basing which companions to include out of a bigger list using some "fairness" brush can eliminate what would have been better and more intriguing companions solely because some people think that if they get the same amount of options as before but one group gets more they are being treated unfairly.

BioWare was pretty much left with 3 companions to turn into companions (Cole and Varric have likely always been out) and for Vivienne there apparently is a reason why is not romanceable. So BioWare only had the option to turn Cullen and Solas into romance options. Especially in the case of Cullen he has been a straight character since DAO.

This isn't about ideology, this is about my demographic and I getting a fair amount of options for our own fun, and then saying that everyone else should have a fair amount of options too because it would obviously be moronic to claim that I should have more options than anyone else. This is kindergarten stuff. And I find it extremely difficult to believe that they can't do it somehow, as they did it in DA2 just fine, and that was with a terribly constricted schedule.

[Who Knows]

They almost got it right. They added in Solas and Cullen after the delay. Before that, all monosexuals had an equal 2 options.

[Karlone123]

Oh look... Even more whining about quantity...

 

Some people are born just to do that. And will defend their right to whine about nothing.

[lady_v23]

Romance is not just about getting in another's pants. It's also about finding someone to share the world with, and someone who helps you be a better person.

Very true. And it's refreshing that such a desirable character is fine on her own and doesn't want to be with the inquisitor

[Who Knows]

Maybe she's the asexual companion some people were wishing for on another thread.

Asexuality doesn't necessitate disinterest in relationships. What you should really say is aromantic.

[Lee80]

I don't understand the logic behind the "bonus" love interests either.  They could have left out either of them (Cullen or Solas) and made the remaining one bisexual, and thrown in a bisexual Vivienne.  Then everyone would have had 3 options, and no one would be lacking.  

 

I don't buy that thing where character's write themselves and can't be changed to suit the needs of the game.  I'm a writer myself, and I know that characters do develop a life of their own, but a good writer can usually sway them to fit the needs of a story.  

 

It's extremely maddening especially when I know that gay Inquisitors had no options at all at one point.  (Iron Bull was gated originally)  So apparently it was fine for a dwarf male to have no options for example, but straight females have 2 extra options and that should be okay cause not every single race can romance them?  I don't even understand the logic fail there.  

[karushna5]

I am really hoping Vivienne just doesn't want to be with the Inquisitor because they are the Inquisitor. But since they said some companions "hook up" if you don't get with them. I am actually totally shipping Vivienne and Josie, or perhaps others, it would be sweet.

 

It also says maybe she just doesn't like you, but could definitely like someone else. It would be like Aveline, and Varric. Just because you match their orientation, doesn't mean that they love you.

[Dabrikishaw]

People would really skip out on the game because they can't romance someone?

[Yinello]

Edit: whoops I misunderstood. 

[Xilizhra]

People would really skip out on the game because they can't romance someone?

Some. And then some would play it, but only after having pirated it because they wouldn't see Bioware as being worthy of support.

[karushna5]

Some. And then some would play it, but only after having pirated it because they wouldn't see Bioware as being worthy of support.

I dislike people pirating at any case, but I really dislike people using some sort of justification. You are enjoying other peoples money and hardwork and because you find it worthy to play, but unworthy to pay for you steal it.

It's the reason Video games are largely struggling, and never applies to other parts of life. "Oh, I heard this restraunt doesn't have filet mignon even though it is a steak place. Let's eat there and skip out on the bill." "This table is just made out of pine, I like Oak, instead of buying another table I'll teach them a lesson by stealing it. Because I want this table" "Wait the janitor cleaned everything but forgot to empty the closets, just don't pay him his wages this month"

 

It's stealing. It's wrong. Don't like it don't buy it, that is showing lack of support. I don't support lots of places and I boycott them, but I don't steal from them, and they won't look at it that way either. They will say another bunch of people stole from us because it was cheaper.

[Xilizhra]

I dislike people pirating at any case, but I really dislike people using some sort of justification. You are enjoying other peoples money and hardwork and because you find it worthy to play, but unworthy to pay for you steal it.

It's the reason Video games are largely struggling, and never applies to other parts of life. "Oh, I heard this restraunt doesn't have filet mignon even though it is a steak place. Let's eat there and skip out on the bill." "This table is just made out of pine, I like Oak, instead of buying another table I'll teach them a lesson by stealing it. Because I want this table" "Wait the janitor cleaned everything but forgot to empty the closets, just don't pay him his wages this month"

 

It's stealing. It's wrong. Don't like it don't buy it, that is showing lack of support. I don't support lots of places and I boycott them, but I don't steal from them, and they won't look at it that way either. They will say another bunch of people stole from us because it was cheaper.

Believe me, it only doesn't apply to other parts of life because it's much harder if not impossible to get away with elsewhere.

[karushna5]

Believe me, it only doesn't apply to other parts of life because it's much harder if not impossible to get away with elsewhere.

And the only reason it is so ready for people to defend their theft is it has become easy to do so, and people can't resist temptation, and want to chalk it to some noble reason because they are stealing, and often cause companies to fail, people to be fired, and an industry afraid to do anything new because people demand more and more for the same price AND half their customers will steal it anyway and refuse to face any ramifications for it, because they weren't perfect so they deserve to steal. Honestly? It's theft. You want to enjoy someone else's work without giving them anything for it, you lost any noble points.

 

It's stealing, anyone who does it are thieves, and they are hurting anyone even remotely connected to the thing they stole. I just want people who do it to be honest with themselves about what they actually are doing.

[Xilizhra]

And the only reason it is so ready for people to defend their theft is it has become easy to do so, and people can't resist temptation, and want to chalk it to some noble reason because they are stealing, and often cause companies to fail, people to be fired, and an industry afraid to do anything new because people demand more and more for the same price AND half their customers will steal it anyway and refuse to face any ramifications for it, because they weren't perfect so they deserve to steal. Honestly? It's theft. You want to enjoy someone else's work without giving them anything for it, you lost any noble points.

 

It's stealing, anyone who does it are thieves, and they are hurting anyone even remotely connected to the thing they stole. I just want people who do it to be honest with themselves about what they actually are doing.

Well, I wasn't planning on it. Bioware is still one of the few companies I kind of like.

[AresKeith]

I don't understand the logic behind the "bonus" love interests either. They could have left out either of them (Cullen or Solas) and made the remaining one bisexual, and thrown in a bisexual Vivienne. Then everyone would have had 3 options, and no one would be lacking.

I don't buy that thing where character's write themselves and can't be changed to suit the needs of the game. I'm a writer myself, and I know that characters do develop a life of their own, but a good writer can usually sway them to fit the needs of a story.

It's extremely maddening especially when I know that gay Inquisitors had no options at all at one point. (Iron Bull was gated originally) So apparently it was fine for a dwarf male to have no options for example, but straight females have 2 extra options and that should be okay cause not every single race can romance them? I don't even understand the logic fail there.

I do buy it and that's how it goes.

Bioware wrote the characters the way they felt the characters should be