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The Social Satire of Dragon Age: Mage vs. Templars essay


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#226
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In so far as magic is used to manipulate blood...sure.

 

I'm not convinced you cannot just use a mortar and masher though.

 

Of course, we see the Wardens forcing Malcolm Hawke to do Blood Magic to take down Corypheus too.

 

In my review of Dragon Age 2: Legacy, I mention the "point" of Legacy is to see the Wardens from the face of people who aren't Wardens.

And they are some shady-shady people.



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Hey the world from blights 5x then slink off to do your business its your call

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Hey the world from blights 5x then slink off to do your business its your call

I look forward to our Grey Warden member's talk and how he's irritated that the Grey Wardens don't do much more than wait in-between Blights. I wonder if we're meant to argue that his idealism is a good thing or we'll be able to defend the Wardens position.

Like Garrus and whether being a Cowboy Cop or a Law-Abiding OneTM is better in ME1.

 

Of course, it didn't matter as he becomes the Punisher on Omega either way but that's beside the point.



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This is true, but one of the methods used to put out some fires involves, you guessed it, controlled burns, aka: more fire.

 

The good guys need to know about blood magic too, because making it illegal does not stop the bad guys from having it.

Only the Grey Wardens know what the Joining entails.  The only "good guys" who need to understand blood magic are the Templars.

 

Also, this argument seems flawed.  If blood magic is currently illegal, decriminalizing it would increase the number of blood mages, benign, neutral, and malevolent alike.  You are suggesting that blood magic be studied so that maleficarum who use blood magic can be more easily understood and defeated... but blood magic is not needed for this as the Templars are already capable of dealing with random blood mages among the populace.  By decriminalizing blood magic you are guaranteeing that more mages, and thus more maleficarum will use it...

 

Again, I am not seeing any reason to introduce blood magic into the world when it's already being contained and controlled... if the main purpose of studying blood magic is to deal with blood magic-related problems, isn't it better to keep it illegal so that the problems never arise to begin with?


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Back on the subject, a little more.

 

How do you guys foresee the game resolving the Templar and Mage problem?

What role will the Inquisition play you think?

And finally?

Do you see your Companions reacting a certain way to the issue?



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Only the Grey Wardens know what the Joining entails.  The only "good guys" who need to understand blood magic are the Templars. Also, this argument seems flawed.  If blood magic is currently illegal, decriminalizing it would increase the number of blood mages, benign, neutral, and malevolent alike.  You are suggesting that blood magic be studied so that maleficarum who use blood magic can be more easily understood and defeated... but blood magic is not needed for this as the Templars are already capable of dealing with random blood mages among the populace.  By decriminalizing blood magic you are guaranteeing that more mages, and thus more maleficarum will use it... Again, I am not seeing any reason to introduce blood magic into the world when it's already being contained and controlled... if the main purpose of studying blood magic is to deal with blood magic-related problems, isn't it better to keep it illegal so that the problems never arise to begin with?

hey icy query: ive heard conflicting responses on templar skill, with regard to BM. That it only beats templars but others say it gives them equal ground

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Back on the subject, a little more.

 

How do you guys foresee the game resolving the Templar and Mage problem?

What role will the Inquisition play you think?

And finally?

Do you see your Companions reacting a certain way to the issue?

lol whoops, sorry I guess we got carried away there... xD

 

Um... satisfactorily, peacekeepers, yes.

 

hey icy query: ive heard conflicting responses on templar skill, with regard to BM. That it only beats templars but others say it gives them equal ground

Templar talents cannot disrupt blood magic the way it does with natural magic because blood magic is not lyrium-based.  This is the main reason why some mages attempt to learn it... so they can have an advantage when fighting Templars.  I'm sure that's also one of the main reasons it's illegal.



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lol whoops, sorry I guess we got carried away there... xD Um... satisfactorily, peacekeepers, yes. Templar talents cannot disrupt blood magic the way it does with natural magic because blood magic is not lyrium-based.  This is the main reason why some mages attempt to learn it... so they can have an advantage when fighting Templars.  I'm sure that's also one of the main reasons it's illegal.

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Back on the subject, a little more. How do you guys foresee the game resolving the Templar and Mage problem?What role will the Inquisition play you think?And finally?Do you see your Companions reacting a certain way to the issue?

fair and hopeful and the inquisition maybe the new seekers and the party members might be pissed or happy idk gonna wait til release

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Back on the subject, a little more.

 

How do you guys foresee the game resolving the Templar and Mage problem?

What role will the Inquisition play you think?

And finally?

Do you see your Companions reacting a certain way to the issue?

 

Given what we know of Skyhold and its customization, now it's more clear that we'll ally ourselves with one side or the other. Companions will react differently depending on our choice, I suppose. If the most important leaders were killed in the explosion, there's an option for the Mage-Templar War to be ended relatively quickly by the Inquisition. What happens after the war, however, is anyone's guess.


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#237
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I also see us allying with one side or the other in the game.

I foresee the game will present us with the "Heroes on Both Sides" equation as we see Reasonable, Evil, and Unreasonable members of both parties. The Venatori will be there as a representative of "evil" mages while the Red Templars will be the same for the Evil Templars. I don't think either side will be annihilated but I think the Inquisition will be permanently replacing the Templars in the setting's lore.

 

* I think that Vivienne will be very Pro-Chantry but having a disdainful opinion of the Mage Rebellion overall.

* I think Varric is going to have a disdainful opinion of both Templars and Mages as he, like so many, are well and truly sick of it now.
* Cassandra will be moderately Pro-Templar.

* Dorian will be Pro-Mage even if he's somewhat removed from the conflict.

* Solas won't care one way or the other.

* I have the idea Blackwall will be sympathetic to the revolting Mages.

* Sera will think both sides suck.

* Iron Bull will probably express some amused concepts at Free Mages in general but in a good-natured way.

* Cullen will be very pro-peace between both factions and surprise everyone expecting him to be Pro-Templar.

 

Basically, I don't see anyone really having a big stake in this.



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I have the same thought

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I kinda picture Cullen the most "screw the extremes of both sides" at this point.

 

Not so much supporting both sides, as opposing the extremes of both sides.  He's been submissive on both sides and mentally screwed over by the extremes.  I think he's done having a passive follower attitude and will be very vocal against both extremes.


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#240
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Yeah, as long as Cullen's not a Templar apologist like I thought he'd be, I'll be fine.

This was my conception of it when I first heard about his participation.

 

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Yeah, as long as Cullen's not a Templar apologist like I thought he'd be, I'll be fine.

This was my conception of it when I first heard about his participation.

 

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I think it's more, "not all templars and not all mages, but the ones that are need a good ass kicking.  I'm getting sick of this crap..." :P



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Just kill em both and start over

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Varric: I am well and truly sick of this Templar and Mage bull****.

 

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Very interesting read indeed. I didn't think about the economical use of the tranquil before, which makes the issue even more complex.

Good job.  ;)


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For the mage-templar conflict, I'm hoping there are four choices:

 

1. Side with the templars

2. Side with the mages

3. Negotiate a peace between them

4. Kill them all.



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For the mage-templar conflict, I'm hoping there are four choices:

 

1. Side with the templars

2. Side with the mages

3. Negotiate a peace between them

4. Kill them all.

I'd like a destroy the extremists leaving only the sensible ones left and starting over.



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I'd like a destroy the extremists leaving only the sensible ones left and starting over.

That's pretty extreme.


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That's pretty extreme.

templars wouldve done the same to mages at least its equal

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templars wouldve done the same to mages at least its equal

Equally extreme.



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The essay is well written, but the obligatory right wing slant was slightly nauseating.