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[raging_monkey]

I encourage you to wait to read the part about mage terrorism, Blood Magic, and the stupidity of the Harrowing.

when will part be released

[Icy Magebane]

I encourage you to wait to read the part about mage terrorism, Blood Magic, and the stupidity of the Harrowing.

You think you'll change my mind on the Harrowing?  We'll see.

 

edit:  Actually, after thinking about that for a bit, the Harrowing probably isn't necessary, so it might not be that hard to convince me it needs to go... w/e, I'll wait for you to explain your thoughts on it.

[Willowhugger]

when will part be released

 

Almost done.

:-)

[Dabrikishaw]

Damn good read.

[BloodKaiden]

Good read Willow, I look forward to you writing the Templar side of things in part 2 even though I'm pro Mages.

[Willowhugger]

Part 2 is now up!

 

http://unitedfederat...ge-mages_9.html

 

The Rite of Tranqulity should really be in part 1 because of its Pro-Mage views.

 

However, I was running low on space.

The Harrowing is in part 2 because it's a horrible system--and it's all the fault of the Mages.

[Icy Magebane]

Part 2 is now up!

 

http://unitedfederat...ge-mages_9.html

Alright, that's about it for me...  A slave-based economy?  You bring up the "possibility" that the Tranquil can be used as a "crude form of mass production" but then just leave it hanging there without bothering to mention that that isn't actually how they are used.  You make numerous allusions to some kind of sinister motivation for every decision the Chantry makes, but never back up any of it with evidence.  How can you make an argument with no evidence whatsoever?  These are just theories.  Wild ones at that.  Then this business about Meredith secretly instituting the Tranquil Solution when she actually rejected the proposal completely (as did the Divine Justina for anyone interested in the truth).  Nothing in the game even hints at this and we have direct evidence to the contrary in the form of Ser Alrik's letter:  http://dragonage.wik..._Alrik's_Letter

 

This blog is disingenuous propaganda, nothing more.

[Willowhugger]

What are Tranquil then, in your opinion?

I also invite you to post your rebuttal on my blog.

As for the Tranquil Solution.

Duh, it was rejected in Act II.

I never said it wasn't. They started implementing illegal Tranquility in Act III.

 

Again, highlight, illegal.

[raging_monkey]

Good read but a little in accurate on tranquil place in the circle. They arent slaves just lack the general desire to go against autothority
Aside from that its all true aabout mages we are dangerous.... think the last part will change my view

[Willowhugger]

You're right.

I'll remove the reference to slavery as Tranquil can leave the Circles.

They just don't because they have no self-will.

 

Or at least, very little.

Also, I'll remove the Tranquil Solution bit because illegal actions by magic-warped Templars matter little to the subject at hand.

[raging_monkey]

You're right.I'll remove the reference to slavery as Tranquil can leave the Circles.They just don't because they have no self-will. Or at least, very little.Also, I'll remove the Tranquil Solution bit because illegal actions by magic-warped Templars matter little to the subject at hand.

while good reason to site corruption it gives favor to mages which hurts your impartiality

[Icy Magebane]

You're right.

I'll remove the reference to slavery as Tranquil can leave the Circles.

They just don't because they have no self-will.

 

Or at least, very little.

Also, I'll remove the Tranquil Solution bit because illegal actions by magic-warped Templars matter little to the subject at hand.

Hm... that's unexpected... maybe I was a bit harsh in my criticism, but I was taken aback by what I felt was a rather opinionated argument.  If you were willing to rethink and revise it, that tells me that you were not merely attempting to spread propaganda.  For what it's worth, I consider that kind of philosophical flexibility commendable.

[Master Warder Z_]

They just don't because they have no self-will.

 

Tell that to the owner of wonders of thedas you bigot!

 

He's tranquil and...pretty mellow about it.

 

He also owns a shop.

 

._.

 

Outside of a circle.

[Icy Magebane]

Tell that to the owner of wonders of thedas you bigot!

 

He's tranquil and...pretty mellow about it.

 

He also owns a shop.

 

._.

 

Outside of a circle.

Actually I think that guy was faking it.  There is a quest where you have to give a wink and nod to some informants to root out a thieves guild leader (D), but if you do this with the Tranquil Proprietor and then refuse to look at his stock... he frowns. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Actually I think that guy was faking it.  There is a quest where you have to give a wink and nod to some informants to root out a thieves guild leader (D), but if you do this with the Tranquil Proprietor and then refuse to look at his stock... he frowns. 

 

They can still be displeased by people wasting their time you realize? The rite of Tranquility removes their connection to the fade and thus their emotions, but that is all, their higher level brain functions still all work, they can still find things agreeable, or not so much.

 

Namely productivity.

 

In fact that's probably the only way you can annoy a tranquil.

 

Your wasting their time.

[AnimeLavellan]

They can still be displeased by people wasting their time you realize? The rite of Tranquility removes their connection to the fade and thus their emotions, but that is all, their higher level brain functions still all work, they can still find things agreeable, or not so much.

 

Namely productivity.

 

In fact that's probably the only way you can annoy a tranquil.

 

Your wasting their time.

 

Ain't nobody got time for wasting time.

[Willowhugger]

Hm... that's unexpected... maybe I was a bit harsh in my criticism, but I was taken aback by what I felt was a rather opinionated argument.  If you were willing to rethink and revise it, that tells me that you were not merely attempting to spread propaganda.  For what it's worth, I consider that kind of philosophical flexibility commendable.

 

Thank you, sorry for disappointing you.

 

Ironically, part 3 is pretty pro-Chantry I think but I welcome critiques.

 

 

    The Circles are, in a sense, independent nation within the ranks of Thedas which are merely supervised by the Templars. While we may think of being taken from one's families and held prisoner in the Circle as a horrible thing, it's also important to remember that in addition to the safety issue, that "freedom" is not something the Circles are without a great deal of as compared to the rest of Thedas. Aside from their lack of ability to breed and raise their children, something which would compel me to rebel admittedly, the Circles are more comfortable than anywhere but the homes of the high nobility.

 

    Possibly more.

 

    Anders and Morrigan speak much of freedom but the right of property is one which has always determined whether people are free in history. Those who do not know where their next meal is coming from, whether they will have a roof over their heads, and what sort of medical care they will get when they're sick can never be free. A Circle mage, due to the genorosity of the Chantry, has these freedoms whereas the average City Elf or Fereldan peasant does not.

[raging_monkey]

Is party 3 up

[Icy Magebane]

They can still be displeased by people wasting their time you realize? The rite of Tranquility removes their connection to the fade and thus their emotions, but that is all, their higher level brain functions still all work, they can still find things agreeable, or not so much.

 

Namely productivity.

 

In fact that's probably the only way you can annoy a tranquil.

 

Your wasting their time.

I was under the impression that displeasure was the result of emotion, and that frowning was a non-verbal indication of a person's mental state.  Without emotions, there would no change in his mental state... making a sale isn't the same as not making a sale, but there is a wall between the realization of this and the reaction to it. 

 

While a Tranquil can probably understand that one outcome is more favorable than another (due to the guidance of an outside party beforehand), the lack of an emotional tie to positive or negative outcomes should produce a neutral, fully apathetic response regardless.  Then again, Owain says that he would "prefer not to die," so I suppose they attach some significance to positives versus negatives... but to what extent, I can't say.  The idea that a Tranquil's time can be wasted isn't even something I fully believe in, because that would indicate that they'd rather be doing something else with that time... if you don't enjoy spending time doing something, such as eating, how can you "prefer" eating to not eating?  It sounds more like they have a basic self preservation instinct and follow whatever commands the Templars and Mages give them... but that's the end of it.

 

But as fascinating as all of this is, it's off topic, so I'll just have to leave it at that I guess...

[Willowhugger]

Is party 3 up

 

Not yet, just posting an excerpt.

Part 3 will deal with the role of the Chantry, Compromise, and the downsides of an inability to find one.

[raging_monkey]

Colour me pink with excitement

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Good and impartial work. Keep it up !

[Willowhugger]

Part 3 is now up!

Thanks everyone, especially those from the Templar and Mage thread!

[raging_monkey]

Well willy you sir have solidified my mage templar veiw as a isolationist moderate but open to templar views and have more fair understanding rather than one of idealism. I tip my fedora to you. Ihumbly off a hand to pro-templars rather than treating them as zealots

[dragonflight288]

They can still be displeased by people wasting their time you realize? The rite of Tranquility removes their connection to the fade and thus their emotions, but that is all, their higher level brain functions still all work, they can still find things agreeable, or not so much.

 

Namely productivity.

 

In fact that's probably the only way you can annoy a tranquil.

 

Your wasting their time.

 

They can't be displeased because they don't have the emotions to be displeased at all.

 

They can logically think that their time was wasted and attempt to simulate the proper response based on their memories however.