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I'm just wondering, why is Dragon Age II untitled?


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Madeline McQueen

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I'm just asking because it's been bugging me for a while now. I first played Dragon Age years ago and have always noticed that Dragon Age II has no title, and seeing as 3 is coming out I've just wanted to know even more lately.

 

We know Dragon age I is Dragon Age: Origins, the add-on is Dragon Awakening, the third one is Dragon Age III: Inquisitor but the second is just Dragon Age II. To me that stands out a little and seems odd. I don't know, maybe it's just my OCD kicking in lol.  ;)

 

I did hear that Awakening was originally supposed to be Dragon Age II but then they turned it into an add-on because people complained it was too small to be a whole separate game. Whether that is true or not I don't know but could explain why.  

 

If Bio Ware were to give Dragon Age II a title what do you think it should be? Maybe Dragon Age II: The beginning of the end (Because in this game it starts off the war between Mage's and Templar's that follows into the third one), although it is a little cliche but oh well, still a catchy title :P. The Champion / The Rise of the Champion (if you have plaid this game you'll understand that  ;)).

That's all I can think of off the top of my head right now.

 

So what do you guys think?   



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Dragon Age: Kirkwall. Or maybe Dragon Age: Rise to Power.

DA2 never felt like a real "sequel" to me anyway. I just consider it a fun game that has occasional references to my beloved DAO. :)

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It was named DAII because the game's graphics and NPCs were so bland that the devs blanked on a name and just slapped 2 on what should have just been a second expansion to Origins....Inquisition is the true sequel



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Considering what the game ends up being about, "Asunder" would probably have been the most appropriate, but that title was already taken.

Dragon Age: Secession? It just doesn't have the right ring to it, though I don't think that would really work anyway. Dragon Age: Kirkwall sounds too much like it should have Varric having a lot of Horatio lines, though that's not exactly far from his character already. Dragon Age: Champion sounds like a fighting game.


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That's a good question, McQueen. I've pondered that question myself. Sorry, I don't have any wild theories as to why it isn't.

 

If Dragon Age II had been named, my first guess would be "Dragon Age: Revolution." Revolution being reference to the whole mages-are-tired-of-your-****-Meredith type deal. Secondly, "Dragon Age: Emancipation" fits even more so because it's titled with a vowel and it links all the games in the series quite nicely IMO (Origins, Awakening, Inquisition). I'm sure the labeled titles starting with vowels was completely unintentional, however, I find it fascinating. 


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Actually, it was originally supposed to be called Dragon Age: Exodus, but for some reason they decided to change it. Personally, I wish they'd left it as DA:E. Makes way more sense, especially since none of the games are direct sequels (unlike the Mass Effect games, where it made sense to use numbers). They're just different stories set in the same universe.

 

Here's a random forum entry I was able to dig up where they were talking about it, and it even has what was supposedly going to be the logo.

http://www.giantbomb...ly-name-486824/



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Dragon Age II felt more like a weird spin-off than a proper sequel. In fact, Awakening felt more like a sequel to me. A good sequel can make some additions and improvements here and there, while still remaining reasonably recognizable. A bad sequel is one that tries everything in its power to distance itself from its predecessor.
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I kinda always felt that inquisition was number 2, and that DA2 was a prelude to 3.


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I preferred the title Dragon Age:Exodus. Calling it Dragon Age 2 gives an impression of a sequel to Origins and the opportunity to continue the adventures of the Warden. Instead of what your actually getting which is the next game in the series.


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They said it was to avoid confusion and make it clear it was a sequel and not an expansion like Awakening, or some other DLC.
 
Not that I agree with that reasoning but it's what the devs said.
 
 

There are a couple of reasons. One of the main reasons is that we had Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age: Leliana's Song, Dragon Age: Witch Hunt, Dragon Age: Awakening, so what we wanted to do is make it very clear from the ground up that this is a full-fledged sequel. "Well if you're not spending six years you couldn't possibly be making a sequel." — Yeah, we can. Because the engine was done and everything. But we wanted to make sure for people who were curious — is this a sequel or another expansion? It kind of muddied the waters. So we said, "Let's call it Dragon Age 2 and then if we do expansions, it'll be Dragon Age 2: Blah." I think that was the main desire, just to let people know that this is a sequel in every sense of the word.

 
Source: http://www.rpgamer.c...gonage2int.html
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They should have kept the name Dragon Age: Exodus. It being DA2 drives me crazy, probably because I too have a touch of OCD. Dragon Age: Origins...Dragon Age: Exodus...Dragon Age: Inquisition. It just flows so much better! 


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Dragon Age: Kirkwall. Or maybe Dragon Age: Rise to Power.

DA2 never felt like a real "sequel" to me anyway. I just consider it a fun game that has occasional references to my beloved DAO. :)

I like that, "Rise to Power" I think that can suit it  :)

You're not the first I have seen who has said that lol. 

 

It was named DAII because the game's graphics and NPCs were so bland that the devs blanked on a name and just slapped 2 on what should have just been a second expansion to Origins....Inquisition is the true sequel

I hope not, that thought would just ruin it for me  :(. I actually don't think Dragon Age: II was bad. There were a couple of things I didn't like but all-in-all I think it was a really good game :D

 

 

Considering what the game ends up being about, "Asunder" would probably have been the most appropriate, but that title was already taken.

Dragon Age: Secession? It just doesn't have the right ring to it, though I don't think that would really work anyway. Dragon Age: Kirkwall sounds too much like it should have Varric having a lot of Horatio lines, though that's not exactly far from his character already. Dragon Age: Champion sounds like a fighting game.

Oh Dragon Age II: Asunder, that has a nice catch to it. Sadly I doubt they'll put a name on it now. 

 

 

That's a good question, McQueen. I've pondered that question myself. Sorry, I don't have any wild theories as to why it isn't.

 

If Dragon Age II had been named, my first guess would be "Dragon Age: Revolution." Revolution being reference to the whole mages-are-tired-of-your-****-Meredith type deal. Secondly, "Dragon Age: Emancipation" fits even more so because it's titled with a vowel and it links all the games in the series quite nicely IMO (Origins, Awakening, Inquisition). I'm sure the labeled titles starting with vowels was completely unintentional, however, I find it fascinating. 

Revolution is another good title. Also Dreagon Age II: F**k you Meridith might also get their point across lol  ;)



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Madeline McQueen

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Actually, it was originally supposed to be called Dragon Age: Exodus, but for some reason they decided to change it. Personally, I wish they'd left it as DA:E. Makes way more sense, especially since none of the games are direct sequels (unlike the Mass Effect games, where it made sense to use numbers). They're just different stories set in the same universe.

 

Here's a random forum entry I was able to dig up where they were talking about it, and it even has what was supposedly going to be the logo.

http://www.giantbomb...ly-name-486824/

Thanks for that and I totally agree with you. It would have made much more sense to keep the title instead of just calling it "2", looks a bit weird to me. 

 

 

Dragon Age II felt more like a weird spin-off than a proper sequel. In fact, Awakening felt more like a sequel to me. A good sequel can make some additions and improvements here and there, while still remaining reasonably recognizable. A bad sequel is one that tries everything in its power to distance itself from its predecessor.

Well that fits the story that Awakening was originally the sequel until they changed into an add-on. Whether or not that's true I  don't know. 

 

I kinda always felt that inquisition was number 2, and that DA2 was a prelude to 3.

 

That would just bug the hell out of me if that was true lol. 

 

 

I preferred the title Dragon Age:Exodus. Calling it Dragon Age 2 gives an impression of a sequel to Origins and the opportunity to continue the adventures of the Warden. Instead of what your actually getting which is the next game in the series.

Exactly, as I said above, would have made more sense to keep it or at least stick some title on it. If I was in charge of a project like this I don't think I could release it without a title lol.

 

 

They said it was to avoid confusion and make it clear it was a sequel and not an expansion like Awakening, or some other DLC.
 
Not that I agree with that reasoning but it's what the devs said.
 
 
 
Source: http://www.rpgamer.c...gonage2int.html

Thanks for that but that's a silly excuse isn't it? If they put "Dragon Age II" in front of it surely everyone would have clocked on that it's a full sequel wouldn't they? If they are going with that excuse what's the point in putting "Inquisitions" after Dragon Age III? Sometimes they worry too much about the wrong things. What they basically said is they think we're thick, well that's how I see it anyway, it's a little insulting to be honest. How else could we get that confused and not understand that it's the sequel if they stick "II" before the title? 

 

They should have kept the name Dragon Age: Exodus. It being DA2 drives me crazy, probably because I too have a touch of OCD. Dragon Age: Origins...Dragon Age: Exodus...Dragon Age: Inquisition. It just flows so much better! 

I couldn't agree with you more!  B)



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I don't know but I just view DA2 as mediocre fan fiction so to be ignored as lore.


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Thanks for that but that's a silly excuse isn't it? If they put "Dragon Age II" in front of it surely everyone would have clocked on that it's a full sequel wouldn't they? If they are going with that excuse what's the point in putting "Inquisitions" after Dragon Age III? Sometimes they worry too much about the wrong things. What they basically said is they think we're thick, well that's how I see it anyway, it's a little insulting to be honest. How else could we get that confused and not understand that it's the sequel if they stick "II" before the title? 

 

I don't disagree it's silly, honestly tons of things about the marketing of DAII were very silly.

 

In the interest of fairness, given how fast DAII was released after DAO, it's not entirely unreasonable that they were concerned about confusion, especially amongst the more casual crowd that doesn't follow things so closely. Still, "Dragon Age II: Exodus" would've done just fine in that case as well, as you mentioned it.

 

Kinda funny how for Inquistion they actually dropped the III (which was there at the start), we've gone the other way around this time. :P


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I would have called it, "Dragon Age: Abomination "


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I don't disagree it's silly, honestly tons of things about the marketing of DAII were very silly.

 

In the interest of fairness, given how fast DAII was released after DAO, it's not entirely unreasonable that they were concerned about confusion, especially amongst the more casual crowd that doesn't follow things so closely. Still, "Dragon Age II: Exodus" would've done just fine in that case as well, as you mentioned it.

 

Kinda funny how for Inquistion they actually dropped the III (which was there at the start), we've gone the other way around this time. :P

What? That makes no sense at all. If they were worried that we wouldn't be able to tell if the game is an add-on or sequel why would they take the 3 out of the third one? Wouldn't they worry that some people would think it's another add-on since there is no title? Even more so since Origins has add-on's and this one doesn't so not adding the "III" might make it look like it. That's what they said last time anyway and it just throws out they're last statement, makes it look like they were lying. I don't know it just makes no sense to me. :huh:

 

 

I would have called it, "Dragon Age: Abomination "

Strait away from that title all I think about is a game full of those ugly, bumpy, warty horrible things - which sums up the game quite well actually lol.  


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What? That makes no sense at all. If they were worried that we wouldn't be able to tell if the game is an add-on or sequel why would they take the 3 out of the third one? Wouldn't they worry that some people would think it's another add-on since there is no title? Even more so since Origins has add-on's and this one doesn't so not adding the "III" might make it look like it. That's what they said last time anyway and it just throws out they're last statement, makes it look like they were lying. I don't know it just makes no sense to me. :huh:


Lol, don't try to make much sense out of it, marketing and naming conventions are all over the place, it's why we see things like some game series having multiple main entries with only a few of those actually numbered (Assassin's Creed and GTA come to mind).

As I said before, DAII having come out so close after DA:O was the main reason for their concern, Inquisition is now three and a half years separated from that, that particular concern was less of an issue this time.

But again, don't try to make much sense of it. :P
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have always noticed that Dragon Age II has no title

 

 

I think some dev has already answered this. Don't quote me or anything but they said they were out of budget and time. They had plans to release the name as a DLC for $5, but after reactions to the game they stopped working on it.

 

Honest Truth.



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What? That makes no sense at all. If they were worried that we wouldn't be able to tell if the game is an add-on or sequel why would they take the 3 out of the third one?


When it was first announced, it was Dragon Age III: Inquisition. The abbreviation for that was DA III:I. It looked screwy.

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It was going to be called Dragon Age: Exodus at one point. They decided on DA2 instead. I like the former better.


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Lol, don't try to make much sense out of it, marketing and naming conventions are all over the place, it's why we see things like some game series having multiple main entries with only a few of those actually numbered (Assassin's Creed and GTA come to mind).

As I said before, DAII having come out so close after DA:O was the main reason for their concern, Inquisition is now three and a half years separated from that, that particular concern was less of an issue this time.

But again, don't try to make much sense of it. :P

Lol nope, no point in making sense of it, but when you're a big fan like us you just want everything to the best it can be, even if that does include the little details ;). But as I was told, DA:Awakening was supposed to be the second one but they had to change that. That would explain why the second game became rushed.

 

I think some dev has already answered this. Don't quote me or anything but they said they were out of budget and time. They had plans to release the name as a DLC for $5, but after reactions to the game they stopped working on it.

 

Honest Truth.

Oh dam really? That sucks when things like that happen  :unsure:. But they still could have given it a title, that shouldn't effect anything. 

 

When it was first announced, it was Dragon Age III: Inquisition. The abbreviation for that was DA III:I. It looked screwy.

Oh that sort of thing they shouldn't worry about. No one can get everything perfect but out of all the things to worry about that is the least. Who cares if the abbreviation is DAIII: I?  <_<

 

It was going to be called Dragon Age: Exodus at one point. They decided on DA2 instead. I like the former better.

I agree with you, I def like the title better as well  :)



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It felt like Dragon Age: Prelude to War.


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Dragon Age: Haters Gonna Hate


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     My guess......limited vocabulary. Dragon Age games are all about, and revolve around the word "ASUNDER"!!! This is asunder, and that is asunder.....my guess, and I would bet bottom dollar, that the word asunder is used more than five times in Inquisition. I think they love the conclusiveness of the word, i.e. "broken down into little pieces" just doesn't grab ya by the small parts like ASUNDER does.

     How about "Colossal", or "Behemoth", maybe "Gargantuan".....these words feel like Dragon Age adjectives, hehehe!!! Okay, I'm just kidding....I'm being sarcastic, as well as clueless, as to why they went with something as cliche' as putting a "II" in the title....possibly a case of the lazies, or boredom. I think your gonna have to ask them directly......sorry.