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[IntoTheDarkness]

I don't understand why he is not hated by fans?

 

This guy was entrusted in raising a king's bastard son, but let Isolde abuse him, and made him sleep on haystacks in stables.

 

Both Alistiar and some people around him knew about his lineage; yet Arl Eamon did not even bother giving him a room other servants would have been given. He was part of Isolde's abusing of Alistiar, or at least treated him very poorly, then sent him to a chantry.

 

I really hate Eamon and tried to find ways to kill him to no avail. To put it simply, I think the guy is a dick and I take issue with not being able to call him such. I can't even ask Alister why he loves the guy who knew of his royal lineage but forced him to sleep in stables with horse shits and kicked him out to monastery against his will. One of definate WTH moments in DA:O.

 

What is your thoughts of Arl Eamon?

[ShadowLordXII]

I've got mixed feelings about the Arl.

 

On one hand, he's a steadfast and crucial ally in the Civil War and against the darkspawn. He's also a decent counterpart to the paranoid and irrational Loghain.

 

That said, his treatment of Alistair can't be justified logically or emotionally.

 

Instead of at least living with the other servants or being raised by Teagan, he has Alistair sleep with the dogs. Then when Isolde throws a fit, he sends Alistair to the Chantry who are known for getting their templars hooked on lyrium.

 

After Cailan dies, Eamon actually has the audacity to immediately demand that Alistair become king regardless of the latter's feelings on the matter or his actual capacity as a a king (I think he'd be a good king, but that's not the point). Part of the reason that Revan Cousland took the throne alongside Anora was to spite Eamon for his transparent manipulation of Alistair.

[Icy Magebane]

I never came to any of those conclusions that's for sure... xD  I've always had a pretty high opinion of the guy.  He seemed like a decent man, if perhaps a bit self-interested (but who isn't?).  I mean, his wife demanded that Alistair be sent away and he'd been dealing with rumors about being the boy's father for years... what was he supposed to do?  Defy his wife, potentially ending his marriage, and keep Alistair?  Sleeping in haystacks might have been strange, but having an orphan living in his house would have been considered unseemly.  This is a nobleman we're talking about, and the game doesn't take place in the socially enlightened modern era that we all see as normal.

[Zjarcal]

I have zero love for him.

 

Would've let him rot if the game didn't force me to save him.

 

I don't really care about the stuff stated in the OP though.

[congokong]

Being somewhat ignorant of the appropriateness of feudalism customs regarding kings' bastards I couldn't really say if Eamon's treatment of Alistair was good or bad. However, I disliked how the pc only gets a cheap title and a crappy shield/staff as reward for saving him, potentially his son and wife, and all of Redcliffe. I also didn't like chasing a legend in an Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade scenario during a blight on behalf of that old man. I'd blame that more on Isolde and Bann Teagan who don't want to take advantage of the line of succession. Teagan in particular seemed pretty capable. I can't blame Eamon though for this. I suppose I also didn't like how he expects the pc to do practically everything in preparation for the Landsmeet.

[sylvanaerie]

Not a fan of Eamon.  In my first playthroughs I kind of was colored by Alistair's affection for the man, but the more times I played it, and saw ambient dialogues the more I disliked him.  Now I usually put Anora on the throne, partly because I like her more progessive approach to ruling.  Partly because Alistair doesn't want it and I feel he should have the right to choose his path.  And mostly because I really hate the whole "Eamon as power behind the throne".

 

Even when I do put Alistair on the throne, my warden is either Chancellor or Queen to help him so Eamon has no reason to stay in Denerim. 

 

I don't like how his first thought on waking isn't "Alistair survived Ostagar" it's "How can I use this?".  I don't like how he allowed Isolde to abuse the lad growing up, and I don't like how he shipped him off to the Chantry just because his wife had a snit fit.

 

Okay maybe my hatred is more for Isolde, but since I usually use her to power Jowan's ritual, at least I can get rid of her.  Wish that option existed for her husband as well.

[ShadowLordXII]

Not a fan of Eamon.  In my first playthroughs I kind of was colored by Alistair's affection for the man, but the more times I played it, and saw ambient dialogues the more I disliked him.  Now I usually put Anora on the throne, partly because I like her more progessive approach to ruling.  Partly because Alistair doesn't want it and I feel he should have the right to choose his path.  And mostly because I really hate the whole "Eamon as power behind the throne".

 

Even when I do put Alistair on the throne, my warden is either Chancellor or Queen to help him so Eamon has no reason to stay in Denerim. 

 

I don't like how his first thought on waking isn't "Alistair survived Ostagar" it's "How can I use this?".  I don't like how he allowed Isolde to abuse the lad growing up, and I don't like how he shipped him off to the Chantry just because his wife had a snit fit.

 

Okay maybe my hatred is more for Isolde, but since I usually use her to power Jowan's ritual, at least I can get rid of her.  Wish that option existed for her husband as well.

 

In fact, I kind of wish that we could decline the "Find the Ashes" quest till after the Landsmeet and just have Teagan take Eamon's place. (Though this would have some not so great consequences and make the Landsmeet harder. Which I'd love)

[IntoTheDarkness]

Why is Alistair so fond of Arl Eamon, anyway?

 

Bioware did not even hint at Alistair blaming Eamon for his sad childhood stories. It's possible that Alistair is trying to view Aemon in positive light because he had no other family figures to speak of before he meets Duncan so he tends to ignore his experience of being forced to sleep with dogs and horses, but the fact that the Warden has no dialogue options of bringing up the topic of mistreatment to Arl Eamon makes me think this was an oversight. Writer might have forgotten that Alistair's sad childhood was largely Arl Eamon's responsibilty.

 

I can call Alistair whiny child for complaining about sleeping in stables and even being forced out of that life against his will, but I can't even tell ANY hostile or sarcastic line to Arl Eamon? Why is that?

[ShadowLordXII]

Why is Alistair so fond of Arl Eamon, anyway?

 

Bioware did not even hint at Alistair blaming Eamon for his sad childhood stories. It's possible that Alistair is trying to view Aemon in positive light because he had no other family figures to speak of before he meets Duncan so he tends to ignore his experience of being forced to sleep with dogs and horses, but the fact that the Warden has no dialogue options of bringing up the topic of mistreatment to Arl Eamon makes me think this was an oversight. Writer might have forgotten that Alistair's sad childhood was largely Arl Eamon's responsibilty.

 

I can call Alistair whiny child for complaining about sleeping in stables and even being forced out of that life against his will, but I can't even tell ANY hostile or sarcastic line to Arl Eamon? Why is that?

 

stockholm syndrome

[Kenshen]

In fact, I kind of wish that we could decline the "Find the Ashes" quest till after the Landsmeet and just have Teagan take Eamon's place. (Though this would have some not so great consequences and make the Landsmeet harder. Which I'd love)

 

Wouldn't the drop in rank from Eamon to Teagan be to much of a shift?  I am all for making it harder but politically would Teagan's voice carry any weight at all in the Landsmeet?  If the warden does everything they can I suppose but really I don't understand the hierachy at all.  Pre origins isn't Bryce Cousland really high up on the list of succession if the king falls?  As a human noble/warden should it even matter which one of Eamon or Teagan is there?  I am curious I really don't know what do you think?

[Sifr]

I find myself increasingly disliking him with every playthrough, as well as becoming more convinced that Loghain is right about him simply wanting to use Alistair as a puppet to increase his own influence, since he didn't seem to pay much heed to Alistair at all until he became politically useful.

 

Mostly I just tolerate him for Alistair's and the plot's sake, since he's our biggest backer. It's a shame we never had the choice to side with Loghain to end the Civil War and fight the Darkspawn, which is something we can bring up in conversation but is immediately shot down?

[IntoTheDarkness]

stockholm syndrome

 

Well, is the warden inflicted with the same syndrome? Why can't I ask?

[sylvanaerie]

Wouldn't the drop in rank from Eamon to Teagan be to much of a shift?  I am all for making it harder but politically would Teagan's voice carry any weight at all in the Landsmeet?  If the warden does everything they can I suppose but really I don't understand the hierachy at all.  Pre origins isn't Bryce Cousland really high up on the list of succession if the king falls?  As a human noble/warden should it even matter which one of Eamon or Teagan is there?  I am curious I really don't know what do you think?

Teagan, being the second son has a much lesser holding of Rainesfere.  He lacks the voice in the Landsmeet Eamon (who is older and holds more political clout being a respected Arl) would have.  I hate that we have to rely on Eamon as well, but Teagan hates politics, rarely gets involved in them and leaves such things to his older brother (according to his toolset notes).

 

I would imagine the issue with the Cousland warden calling for the Landsmeet is by the time of the Landsmeet, Loghain has completely slandered the wardens. Bryce is dead, and Fergus is missing, and the Cousland has been accused by Loghain of "assisting in an Orlesian plot along with the Grey Wardens to kill Cailan and put a puppet on the throne".

[theskymoves]

Teagan, being the second son has a much lesser holding of Rainesfere.  He lacks the voice in the Landsmeet Eamon (who is older and holds more political clout being a respected Arl) would have.  I hate that we have to rely on Eamon as well, but Teagan hates politics, rarely gets involved in them and leaves such things to his older brother (according to his toolset notes).

 

I would imagine the issue with the Cousland warden calling for the Landsmeet is by the time of the Landsmeet, Loghain has completely slandered the wardens. Bryce is dead, and Fergus is missing, and the Cousland has been accused by Loghain of "assisting in an Orlesian plot along with the Grey Wardens to kill Cailan and put a puppet on the throne".

 

Cousland also has no agency, no holdings, and by that point, not even a clear claim to any title, and thus probably couldn't call a Landsmeet.

[luna1124]

He is needed by the wardens, no matter if they hate him or love him. I personally had mixed feelings about him. I liked Teagan a lot better

[theskymoves]

He is needed by the wardens, no matter if they hate him or love him. I personally had mixed feelings about him. I liked Teagan a lot better

 

Teagan does appear to be the more... how should I put this... decent of the two Guerrins, doesn't he?

 

To answer the OP's question, I'm not very fond of Eamon. IMO, he's manipulative and machinating in his dealings with the Warden (as is Anora), and judging from the events in Redlciffe, is a really terrible, distant, and uninvolved father and husband.

 

If  the game allowed the player to let him die instead of curing him, I'd probably do it. At least once. (And would have, on my second "evil!Cousland" playthrough, given the option.)

[luna1124]

^^I know, no option to leave him in the fade.^^ He did seem to be an authoritative figure, but like TSM says, he had no idea his kid was a mage?? Or that Isolde was such a *****?

[themikefest]

I didn't mind him. He gave me a nice room to stay in while I was in Denerim for the landsmeet

[Dabrikishaw]

I like Eamon, even though I think his treatment of kid Alistair was stupid.

[AutumnWitch]

He's seems alright for a human.

[Lazarillo]

I don't think Eamon was such a bad guy, at least, no moreso than any of his peers.  He's no altruist: he definitely comes off as shady and ambitious at times (trying to arrange for Caillan to marry Celene in RtO, for example, not to mention how smug he sounds when he mentions that Alistair "knows who to turn to" if he has trouble as king).  However, he also appears to sincerely care about his family (Alistair included), and tempers his ambition a bit with the fact that he seems to have found a way for his personal benefit to align, for the most part, with the "greater good" as well.

[Lilaeth]

I just wish more of the voice actors would pronounce his name properly - Logain is the only one who gets it right!

[theskymoves]

I just wish more of the voice actors would pronounce his name properly - Logain is the only one who gets it right!

 

The pronunciation note for his name in the toolset (and presumably used in directing the voice actors) has it as 'Arl Ee'-mun'. 

[Ferretinabun]

I think disliking him for Alistair's sake is misguided. If Alistair says Eamon is a good man and was good to him, then who are we to argue? Sleeping in the stables notwithstanding.

 

But I have seen plenty of Eamon hatred on here for the way he handles Alistair after we meet him. 

[Lilaeth]

The pronunciation note for his name in the toolset (and presumably used in directing the voice actors) has it as 'Arl Ee'-mun'. 

 

 

In that case, whoever wrote the instruction got it wrong.  It should be 'Ay-mun' - the 'ay' as in 'air'.