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[Mike3207]

Let me put it this way-I don't think the poisoning of Eamon was a crime. I think using a sharp knife would have been a better option.

[Jaison1986]

Don't like him, don't hate him. He is just another politician waiting for the right chance to advance himself. Some people hate him just to make Anora look better, while I personally think the both of them are flour of the same sack. Two opportunists looking out for their interests. Eh, I guess this is just how politics goes.

[Sifr]

I just wish more of the voice actors would pronounce his name properly - Logain is the only one who gets it right!

 

I think Eamon's gotten so used to people saying his name wrong he just lets it slide.

 

However, I picture Loghain as being a stickler when it comes these sorts of things, because I can imagine that before he became famous as a hero so everyone would know his name, he suffered through years of people pronouncing it as "Log-hain" instead of "Low-gain".

 

[Silfren]

I think Eamon's gotten so used to people saying his name wrong he just lets it slide.

 

However, I picture Loghain as being a stickler when it comes these sorts of things, because I can imagine that before he became famous as a hero so everyone would know his name, he suffered through years of people pronouncing it as "Log-hain" instead of "Low-gain".

 

 

Agreed, Ay-mun IS the proper way to pronounce the name, and it's odd that so many voce actors got it wrong.  But remember, even Loghain is inconsistent.  Most of the time he does actually say Ee-mun, unless I'm mistaken.  He definitely does use both pronunciations.  

[Silfren]

I think disliking him for Alistair's sake is misguided. If Alistair says Eamon is a good man and was good to him, then who are we to argue? Sleeping in the stables notwithstanding.

 

But I have seen plenty of Eamon hatred on here for the way he handles Alistair after we meet him. 

 

Simply put, just because Alistair likes him doesn't mean that Alistair himself isn't misguided.  The game actually does a good job of portraying Alistair realstiically in that regard.  Alistair openly discusses a life that anyone can peg as abusive, without ever apparently being cognizant of the fact that he is describing an abusive situation.  Nothing about that suggests that anyone should just take the attitude that because Alistair can't see it, the rest of us should pretend it isn't there.

[caradoc2000]

Without him, we couldn't Arl your Eamon.

[KaiserShep]

I didn't really see much in Eamon that would make me feel strongly one way or the other. He was unoffensive and benign as a character, and was mainly there as a simple quest giver. I usually go to Redcliffe first, so Alistair's whole backstory was not something I'd be terribly invested in either. It's not until much later in the story that any of it really matters.

[Sifr]

Simply put, just because Alistair likes him doesn't mean that Alistair himself isn't misguided.  The game actually does a good job of portraying Alistair realstiically in that regard.  Alistair openly discusses a life that anyone can peg as abusive, without ever apparently being cognizant of the fact that he is describing an abusive situation.  Nothing about that suggests that anyone should just take the attitude that because Alistair can't see it, the rest of us should pretend it isn't there.

 

I think this is spot on, as Alistair also does a wonderful job of putting Duncan on a pedestal and ignoring some of the more morally questionable things we see him pull in the game. Alistair also refers to Duncan as being a good man, when in reality:

 

He basically gives you the option to join or die horribly from the Taint in the Dalish Origin, refuses to intervene to prevent Vaughn from taking the elven women to be raped and murdered and forcing you to rescue them/yourself in the City Elf Origin, in the Human Noble Origin tells Teyrn Cousland that he'd help his child escape only if he let thems become a Warden, not telling him that he's then going to risk his entire bloodline since he doesn't know if you'll even survive the Joining, not to mention if both Fergus and you both die in the battle.

 

I think that since Maric never acknowledged him openly, Alistair has a need for a father figure and that's caused him to wears rose-tinted specs when it comes to a role model he admires. This is probably part of the reason why he comes to hate Loghain so much, as in addition to blaming him for the death of Duncan, we know that Alistair did admire Loghain and consider him a better leader than Cailan, only for that illusion to be shattered after Ostagar.

[HTTP 404]

 I am rather ambivalent about who he is and what he has done.  Part of that is because I don't think too much of him. He always has been a means to an end.  How we deal with him at the end of the blight, then perhaps I would care more.

[KaiserShep]

From Duncan's reasoning that his intervention would do more harm than good during the city elf origin, after learning more about the Grey Wardens later, I had assumed that this had to do with the fact that the Grey Wardens are still on shaky ground with Ferelden, and most people seem to have forgotten their value, and he didn't want to risk causing seriously bad relations with the order during a Blight.

 

Of course, the fact that the Wardens are now outlawed in Ferelden after Ostagar kind of undermines that assumption, since the Warden can pretty much operate freely regardless.

[Beliar86]

Without Eamon you have nobody that can even call the landsmeet. Not uniting ferelden would have had disastrous consequences as outlined in the game. Would have been funny to give people the choice and instantly get a cutscene game over like refuse ending in me3 though.

[KaiserShep]

Without Eamon you have nobody that can even call the landsmeet. Not uniting ferelden would have had disastrous consequences as outlined in the game. Would have been funny to give people the choice and instantly get a cutscene game over like refuse ending in me3 though.

 

It'd be pretty funny to have the game carry on from that point, and Loghain finally rallies the support of the rest of Ferelden, and he slays the archdemon, only to have the horde continue to press because it jumped into the nearest darkspawn.

[Ryzaki]

It'd be pretty funny to have the game carry on from that point, and Loghain finally rallies the support of the rest of Ferelden, and he slays the archdemon, only to have the horde continue to press because it jumped into the nearest darkspawn.

 

That'd be a beautiful critical mission failure game over screen. Just seeing the "Oh. ****." look on Loghain's face would be worth it.

[Sifr]

That'd be a beautiful critical mission failure game over screen. Just seeing the "Oh. ****." look on Loghain's face would be worth it.

 

Moments before he's cut down by an Ogre wearing a belt made up of the recovered severed heads of the Warden, your party members and Duncan, that serve as a final mocking insult to the player to show how badly you screwed up the game.

[Ryzaki]

Moments before he's cut down by an Ogre wearing a belt made up of the recovered severed heads of the Warden, your party members and Duncan, that serve as a final mocking insult to the player to show how badly you screwed up the game.

 

Why on earth would the ogre have my PC's head on it's skull though I'd assume the PC would've gotten executed ala normally in this scenario. Though Duncan's head...gladly.

[Lilaeth]

My own father preferred sleeping in the stable with his dad's dray horses - he says they were much nicer to share a house with than his own sisters were!  But more seriously, I think we're judging Eamonn and co by modern standards here.  I'm a mediaevalist, and tbh, by those standards, which the game is more or less based on, Eamonn's not that bad.  Certainly no worse than any of the great lords of mediaeval Europe, who routinely sent their children away from home to be brought up, either by the church or by a fellow noble's family (and I think there's reference to this in Ser Gilmore's backstory?).  Being brought up in the chantry wouldn't be unusual for a noble or royal bastard.  It gives them a long-term home, and an education, and (hopefully) keeps them out of the political machinations of opponents of the regime - particularly important in the case of royal bastards.  It's a better option than slaughtering them in the cradle, yes?  We learn from Anora that Cailin knew all about Alistair (despite the fact that Alistair thinks Cailin has no idea who he is) so it's not too far fetched a notion that he is being watched from afar, and probably always has been, to ensure his welfare when he was a child, and now that he's an adult more likely to ensure that he doesn't get any idea about taking the throne for himself.  Which is quite ironic.

 

However, I would like the option to stab Duncan when he forces my noble Cousland to abandon their parents in the cellars of the castle, or to kick his arse into his fire once we reach Ostagar.  Personally, at that point, I would tell him to eff off, and go looking for my brother.  What's he going to do, force the potion down your neck in front of the whole camp??

[sylvanaerie]

That'd be a beautiful critical mission failure game over screen. Just seeing the "Oh. ****." look on Loghain's face would be worth it.

Hellz yes!

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Don't like traditionalists as a general rule, so no, I do not care for Eamon. However, I do like his character's role in the story. I like that he's not just some saintly individual set to stop big bad Loghain out of the goodness of his heart, he's in it to secure his own hold on the country (no different than his opponent). It's not as simple as "good man versus evil man," and yet, many could also grow too trusting of him and not see that agenda at work. Nicely done, IMO.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I'm indifferent, and to me he's just another politician who has motivation, and his own interest but he's also a crucial ally who could help unite Felderen against the Blight. While I don't love or hate Eamon, I think his treatment to Alistair was stupid but it still understandable why he chooses to cast Alistair out considering that Eamon is a nobleman who fears of his family reputation foiled, his marriage ended, what he did was selfish and hardly justified but it's understandable why he did that.

 

Frankly, while most people become a good friend to Alistair, maybe even lover. I don't see why I should take Alistair's problem in his childhood into my own problem, and feels the same way as him. You never experience the same thing as Alistair, and while you can feel pity for the man I don't see the reason why you have to go that far and even be more anger than Alistair himself. That said it'll be interesting if we get an option to confront Eamon about his treatment to Alistair in the past.

 

I hate his wife Isolde, I know she's just want to protect her son, but her decisions cost a dozens of people or maybe even hundreds of people's life in Redcliffe, and even when you manage to save her and Connor...the fact that she is complete apathy to the death of so many people because of her own decisions disturb me. I really wish I could make her feel guilty and make something up to the survivor of Redcliffe incident.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I don't understand why he is not hated by fans?

 

This guy was entrusted in raising a king's bastard son, but let Isolde abuse him, and made him sleep on haystacks in stables.

 

Both Alistiar and some people around him knew about his lineage; yet Arl Eamon did not even bother giving him a room other servants would have been given. He was part of Isolde's abusing of Alistiar, or at least treated him very poorly, then sent him to a chantry.

 

I really hate Eamon and tried to find ways to kill him to no avail. To put it simply, I think the guy is a dick and I take issue with not being able to call him such. I can't even ask Alister why he loves the guy who knew of his royal lineage but forced him to sleep in stables with horse shits and kicked him out to monastery against his will. One of definate WTH moments in DA:O.

 

What is your thoughts of Arl Eamon?

 

Alistair might suffer from neglect, in part thanks to Isolde, but I wouldn't say he was abused so I don't think Eamon's worthy of actual hatred. It's not exactly an easy position to be in, raising someone else's bastard child. People will inevitably whisper the child is your own, which is probably what Isolde feared and why Maric sent him away.

 

That said, if anything, Maric's to blame for the situation. Yet I don't see many people blaming him.

[Azaron Nightblade]

 However, I do like his character's role in the story. I like that he's not just some saintly individual set to stop big bad Loghain out of the goodness of his heart, he's in it to secure his own hold on the country (no different than his opponent). It's not as simple as "good man versus evil man," and yet, many could also grow too trusting of him and not see that agenda at work. Nicely done, IMO.

A lot of DA:O's characters had this going for them, they were shades of grey rather than simply black or white. Which made them more memorable IMO.

Here's to hoping DA:I manages to provide us with a whole new host of great characters to talk about years after the game's release.

[theskymoves]

Alistair might suffer from neglect, in part thanks to Isolde, but I wouldn't say he was abused so I don't think Eamon's worthy of actual hatred. It's not exactly an easy position to be in, raising someone else's bastard child. People will inevitably whisper the child is your own, which is probably what Isolde feared and why Maric sent him away.

 

That said, if anything, Maric's to blame for the situation. Yet I don't see many people blaming him.

 

*raises hand* Maric-blamer here. Worst father ever, IMO. To both of his sons.

[sylvanaerie]

*raises hand* Maric-blamer here. Worst father ever, IMO. To both of his sons.

 

yea put me firmly in this camp too.

[vortex216]

I like him well enough, but he's nowhere near one of my favorite characters. Love Teagan tho.

[vortex216]

I like him well enough, but he's nowhere near one of my favorite characters. Love Teagan tho.