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[sylvanaerie]

Just roleplay a different line then. I do it all the time with my Warden, I use my knowledge of the dialogue to consider my Warden's line to be a... Suggestion. Like you could think she just said "You should stop letting people try to push you around so much", to which his response (just looked at the scene again you Youtube) "You're right, I should". See, perfect. Like in Mass Effect, the words on the dialogue choice don't need to word for word match what you imagine your character saying. Like another example, the guy in the Carta base who asks for a password when you enter, all your choices are bad guesses and another that is basically "Uh... I know, Die!". I find that cheesy, and none match their personality. So I just imagine them saying "Aw f*ck, of course they would have a guard. So much for the subtle approach." to which the guard replies "Looks like we have a martyr, boys". Or the slaver late in the game who says "Enough. I'm here to halt your slaughter, nothing more.", and my response is "I want you to try."

 

I've never imagined the lines matching exactly what they say, you can easily fill in the line you see with a more true-to-your-character one and it still make perfect sense with how the other person responds. Am I an exception? I thought everyone does this. No voice acting for your character gives you a lot of roleplay room, why not use it?

 

Bad enough warden has no voice.  I don't roleplay different lines from what's 'said'.

 

Hardening him with Daylen just wasn't an option.  I didn't feel it fit Daylen's personality at all.  He didn't harden Leliana either.

[andy6915]

Bad enough warden has no voice.  I don't roleplay different lines from what's 'said'.

 

Why not? There's not enough dialogue options to perfectly fit any Warden's personality, why not use the options as a paraphrase?

 

Mind you, I don't do this for all dialogue options. A lot of times, what is there fits. But not always.

[Beregond5]

Well then you're not doing the foreplay right, if she can't even get him hard.

 

 

Anyway, why? Why do you want a whiny manchild with a spine of rubber as your love? Every single romance I've done with him has been him hardened, I can't imagine why anyone wanting to romance him WOULDN'T. I want my romance to be my equal, someone I truly respect. Only hardened Alistair is that.

 

Because I always figured in my mind that she fell in love with his unhardened side and she wouldn't want to change that. With that said, however, I am thinking about hardening him even with a Female Cousland at least once with the kind of reasoning that, after Howe's and Loghain's betrayals, she could have reached the conclusion that, indeed, everyone's out for themselves.

[Beregond5]

Why not? There's not enough dialogue options to perfectly fit any Warden's personality, why not use the options as a paraphrase?

 

Mind you, I don't do this for all dialogue options. A lot of times, what is there fits. But not always.

You could, no question about it. There's the choice, after all. But it still is a role-playing game and it really depends on how you think your character will react to something. For example, Dalish are pictured as very wary of humans, even hostile, but that doesn't mean someone can't roleplay their Dalish Warden friendly or, at least, open-minded. It's kind of weird to roleplay a character as very gentle only to suddenly make an assertive statement that wouldn't fit with the personality the gamer has in mind for them.

 

Anyway, my two cents on the matter.

[sylvanaerie]

Why not? There's not enough dialogue options to perfectly fit any Warden's personality, why not use the options as a paraphrase?

 

Mind you, I don't do this for all dialogue options. A lot of times, what is there fits. But not always.

 

Because I don't play that way.  You can't play that way.  Not in this case anyway.  None of the 'hardening lines' fit the tone of Daylen's roleplay.  It's one thing to reimagine in your head what they are saying, you can't reimagine the reactions the lines get you.  It's not a matter of imagining a different line, it's a matter of what fit the roleplay of the character and what effect the dialogues have on the NPC in question.

 

If you want to say 'You have others who care about you, Alistair', saying 'Everyone is out for themselves' simply doesn't get you the same response from Alistair, no matter what you think you said in your head.  Either visually (as he responds differently) or in the coding (as one response leaves him as he is, the other is the path to hardening him up). You can't roleplay the response of the NPC as different from what you actually get, no matter how much you want to, unless you're willing to just ignore what's said in the game altogether.  It affects the outcome of the quest, sometimes their approval ratings, etc.  Roleplaying only takes you so far before you have to bow to what's actually in the game's dialogue and coding.

 

*Edit* and what Beregonde said--spot on.

[andy6915]

Because I don't play that way.  You can't play that way.  Not in this case anyway.  None of the 'hardening lines' fit the tone of Daylen's roleplay.  It's one thing to reimagine in your head what they are saying, you can't reimagine the reactions the lines get you.  It's not a matter of imagining a different line, it's a matter of what fit the roleplay of the character and what effect the dialogues have on the NPC in question.

 

If you want to say 'You have others who care about you, Alistair', saying 'Everyone is out for themselves' simply doesn't get you the same response from Alistair, no matter what you think you said in your head.  Either visually (as he responds differently) or in the coding (as one response leaves him as he is, the other is the path to hardening him up). You can't roleplay the response of the NPC as different from what you actually get, no matter how much you want to, unless you're willing to just ignore what's said in the game altogether.  It affects the outcome of the quest, sometimes their approval ratings, etc.  Roleplaying only takes you so far before you have to bow to what's actually in the game's dialogue and coding.

 

*Edit* and what Beregonde said--spot on.

 

But my imagined responses fit PERFECTLY with how each of the examples replied. I didn't say anything about imagining a response to mine, what the character says in the actual game matches my imagined dialogue. Did you even read what I actually typed? Every example I listed had dialogue directly from the game. Alistair's, the Carta guard, the elven slave girl... ALL OF THEM SAY EXACTLY WHAT I TYPED. All of them! The "halt slaughter" line, the "martyr" line, the "You're right I should" line from Alistair are all EXACT quotes right from the game. All I'm changing is what my own character says, and what I'm changing them to in my mind still makes absolute perfect sense with the other person's IN-GAME RESPONSE.

 

Jeez, we're getting along here so I don't want to sound rude, but... Are you even reading my posts, or having any reading comprehension of them if you are reading them? Because your post is giving extremely obvious signs that you didn't actually pay attention to what I actually typed. It'd be like me saying I like to drink tea and you responding with something about how I'm oppressing rabbits. Reread my posts or something, because your post doesn't make sense as a reply to them.

[andy6915]

Seriously, if you think I made those lines up.

 

"But enough, I'm here to halt your slaughter and nothing more."

 

(imagined response)

"I'd like to see you try."

 

2:52

 

(this video is a little off though, my choice is the one that immediately starts the fight after her "stop slaughter" line.)

 

(imagined response)

"You should stop letting people try to push you around."

 

"You're right, I should."

 

1:40

 

 

 

(imagined response)

"Aw f*ck, of course they would have a guard. So much for the subtle approach."

 

"Looks like we got a martyr, boys."

 

7:15

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGJk5iPPKuw

 

 

 

 

So what did I change about how people respond? Because it looks to me that my imagined dialogue fits as well or better than what dialogue options are there.

[sylvanaerie]

But my imagined responses fit PERFECTLY with how each of the examples replied. I didn't say anything about imagining a response to mine, what the character says in the actual game matches my imagined dialogue. Did you even read what I actually typed? Every example I listed had dialogue directly from the game. Alistair's, the Carta guard, the elven slave girl... ALL OF THEM SAY EXACTLY WHAT I TYPED. All of them! The "halt slaughter" line, the "martyr" line, the "You're right I should" line from Alistair are all EXACT quotes right from the game. All I'm changing is what my own character says, and what I'm changing them to in my mind still makes absolute perfect sense with the other person's IN-GAME RESPONSE.

 

Jeez, we're getting along here so I don't want to sound rude, but... Are you even reading my posts, or having any reading comprehension of them if you are reading them? Because your post is giving extremely obvious signs that you didn't actually pay attention to what I actually typed. It'd be like me saying I like to drink tea and you responding with something about how I'm oppressing rabbits. Reread my posts or something, because your post doesn't make sense as a reply to them.

 

Actually I get the feeling you haven't been reading what I've been posting.  Either that or we've been debating two disparate conversations here. All this time I've been talking about hardening Alistair, not the carta or elven slave girl, or Cathrian or any other scene in the game.  I've only been discussing the scene immediately after visiting Goldanna where you talk to Alistair and have a choice to make for his path.

 

The gist of my posts was: I didn't want to harden Alistair on that particular warden as it didn't fit my roleplay of the character.  If you don't get what I was trying to achieve on the character, that's fine.  Everyone's roleplay is different and some may not make sense to everyone, but Daylen worked for me the way I played him.

 

What I said about responses is "You have others who care about you" (the unhardened line) isn't going to get the same response either from Alistair or the game coding if you select "Everyone is out for themselves" (the hardening line) no matter what you paraphrase in your mind if the effect you wanted to achieve was to keep him unhardened.  

 

Please go back and reread the post you quoted.  I never once said you were making stuff up or mentioned the carta or any other scene.  I only referenced that one conversation and pointed out selecting the wrong response would achieve the wrong result to the quest.

[andy6915]

You said that the "everyone is out for themselves" line used to make him hardened was out of character for your specific Warden. To which I said that isn't an issue, because you can imagine a different line that IS in character that would realistically get the same response and result from Alistair as the "out for themselves" line. If your point is that hardening him in general with that Warden would be out of character, that would be different. But you specified issue with the actual hardening dialogue choice as the thing that would be out of character, not the end result. My point was that if that line doesn't fit your Warden, you can still harden him by just imagining your Warden worded it differently than what was displayed as the dialogue choice. You then turned that point of mine into me also imagining the Not-Warden's response, which I never even alluded to doing.

 

I never once said you were making stuff up or mentioned the carta or any other scene.  

 

Really? Right here is where you said that I imagine different responses to my Warden's imagined dialogue.

 

You can't roleplay the response of the NPC as different from what you actually get, no matter how much you want to, unless you're willing to just ignore what's said in the game altogether

[sylvanaerie]

UGH this is getting frustrating.  That quote you bring up was from the paragraph where I was trying to say that saying two different lines from that conversation with Alistair won't get you the same response from him.  I never once mentioned the carta or any other scene in that post!

[andy6915]

UGH this is getting frustrating.  That quote you bring up was from the paragraph where I was trying to say that saying two different lines from that conversation with Alistair won't get you the same response from him.  I never once mentioned the carta or any other scene in that post!

No, those were examples to make my point about how you can roleplay dialogue in a way that isn't strictly what you are selecting as your line. I brought them up first, and I never said otherwise. More examples were supposed to make my point clearer.

[ImAnElfMofos!]

Why all the hate guys?

 

I think it was appropriate for Eamon of what he did to Alistair. You know why? Alistair is the bastard son of King Maric, and because of the possibility that news of that would affect King Maric's reign aka making his popularity with the people go down, possible mutiny and civil war for the throne and yada yada. 

Think of the possibilities of people knowing about alistair's birthright. . kidnapping,ransoms and a lot of things could be used against King Maric.

 

Yet even knowing how dangerous keeping Alistair was . . . Eamon raised him as a father figure! 

You guys most likely haven't watched medieval dramas like Game of Thrones or the such. What happens to bastard sons? The Queen would most likely be disgusted to find out about you and would definitely plot to kill you. The reason why Eamon accepts Isolde's judgments is due to the fact that Isolde has the tendency of being rash and stupid. Remember Connor? If Eamon cherished Alistair too much, Isolde would definitely kill Alistair or provide info about him so that he would be used against King Maric or get killed. And Look even with that history he had Bann Teagan and people like ser Jonnell etc. who thinks of him fondly. To be raised in secrecy is what happened to Alistair with the DIRE POSSIBILITY OF SEVERAL ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS if ever his status was known. Remember alistair's mom's locket? w/c was supposedly destroyed when Eamon sent him to be a templar. When you get it in the game is it still destroyed? and where is it located? in his drawer.

Why send Alistair to be a templar? EASY! It's the safest place for him to learn swordship and to arrive to knighthood. He will be taught in the chantry where no nobles would care because the chantry is like a power in ferelden much like to the religion we have irl. If you look like Cailan and Eamon let you became a knight under him. . A lot of people would mistake him as Cailan and then would need to be careful for people not to research about him and then assassinations, riots would be back in the story if that had happened.

Another revelation is that in fact if Eamon didn't send Alistair to become a templar, then Duncan wouldn't be able to conscript him. And you wouldn't have your corny joking Alistair in the party.

If you were in Eamon's shoes would you introduce Alistair as the king's bastard son and expose him to a lot of dangers like always BEING KILLED??

What Eamon did is protect him from all that made sure he wasn't killed, Provided food and shelter for him, giving him people like Bann Teagan and Ser Jonell, providing him knight training discretely through the Chantry and with Alistair's luck was conscripted to the Grey Wardens. From childhood to adulthood what Alistair experienced strengthened him and made him what he is now.

W/c is someone all you guys love.

 

So tell me didn't Eamon just did anything a loving father would do? even with what alistair is supposed to be?

Tell me your comments. . To me he is in fact a noble person, loving father and loved by many including me.

[sylvanaerie]

Why all the hate guys?

 

I think it was appropriate for Eamon of what he did to Alistair. You know why? Alistair is the bastard son of King Maric, and because of the possibility that news of that would affect King Maric's reign aka making his popularity with the people go down, possible mutiny and civil war for the throne and yada yada. 

Think of the possibilities of people knowing about alistair's birthright. . kidnapping,ransoms and a lot of things could be used against King Maric.

 

Yet even knowing how dangerous keeping Alistair was . . . Eamon raised him as a father figure! 

You guys most likely haven't watched medieval dramas like Game of Thrones or the such. What happens to bastard sons? The Queen would most likely be disgusted to find out about you and would definitely plot to kill you. The reason why Eamon accepts Isolde's judgments is due to the fact that Isolde has the tendency of being rash and stupid. Remember Connor? If Eamon cherished Alistair too much, Isolde would definitely kill Alistair or provide info about him so that he would be used against King Maric or get killed. And Look even with that history he had Bann Teagan and people like ser Jonnell etc. who thinks of him fondly. To be raised in secrecy is what happened to Alistair with the DIRE POSSIBILITY OF SEVERAL ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS if ever his status was known. Remember alistair's mom's locket? w/c was supposedly destroyed when Eamon sent him to be a templar. When you get it in the game is it still destroyed? and where is it located? in his drawer.

Why send Alistair to be a templar? EASY! It's the safest place for him to learn swordship and to arrive to knighthood. He will be taught in the chantry where no nobles would care because the chantry is like a power in ferelden much like to the religion we have irl. If you look like Cailan and Eamon let you became a knight under him. . A lot of people would mistake him as Cailan and then would need to be careful for people not to research about him and then assassinations, riots would be back in the story if that had happened.

Another revelation is that in fact if Eamon didn't send Alistair to become a templar, then Duncan wouldn't be able to conscript him. And you wouldn't have your corny joking Alistair in the party.

If you were in Eamon's shoes would you introduce Alistair as the king's bastard son and expose him to a lot of dangers like always BEING KILLED??

What Eamon did is protect him from all that made sure he wasn't killed, Provided food and shelter for him, giving him people like Bann Teagan and Ser Jonell, providing him knight training discretely through the Chantry and with Alistair's luck was conscripted to the Grey Wardens. From childhood to adulthood what Alistair experienced strengthened him and made him what he is now.

W/c is someone all you guys love.

 

So tell me didn't Eamon just did anything a loving father would do? even with what alistair is supposed to be?

Tell me your comments. . To me he is in fact a noble person, loving father and loved by many including me.

 

Eamon didn't raise him like "a loving father" or did you think Connor ever spent a day sleeping in the kennels?  Alistair considers himself lucky in that he survived childhood with a roof over his head, clothes on his back and food in his mouth, but fulfillment of the most basic needs does not equate to "care".

 

Probably the worst part of the grief I had with Eamon is the hypocrisy of his behavior during Alistair's childhood, instilling in him that he's a threat to Cailan's throne, that he's a commoner and has no right to it, making the boy doubt all his decisions.  Then the first thing Eamon does when he wakes up is use the boy.  Says 'the unthinkable' has happened.  Pushes for Alistair to take the throne, even though he doesn't want it.  I put Anora on the throne because I know 1) Alistair doesn't want it and seems much happier as a grey warden, 2) Eamon wants to rule through a puppet Alistair, 3) She does a creditable job ruling on her own.

 

Eamon didn't send Alistair to the chantry because Alistair wanted to be there.  He sent him there to shut Isolde up.  He certainly didn't do it because he foresaw Duncan recruiting him.  

 

If Alistair is executed after Loghain is recruited, Eamon just shrugs and doesn't say a damn thing to the warden who is responsible for Alistair's death.

 

Who is it who arrives in Kirkwall to bring the boy home?  Not Eamon but Teagan.

 

In fact, it is Teagan ALONE among the Guerrin's who expresses real joy/relief to see his 'nephew' survives Ostagar.  He had more fatherly affection for the boy than Eamon does.

 

And Maric wins no points with me for being the PoS father who abandons him either.  Least he could have done was check up on the boy, make sure he was okay.  It's not like Alistair was never told who his dad was.  To not know is one thing, to know and believe his father didn't give a rat's ass about him is 100 times worse.  Cailan knew, Anora knew, Duncan and Loghain knew.  Teagan knew.  Rowan was dead, it's not like anyone was trying to 'save her reputation' since she was years dead by the time Maric had his fling with Fiona.  Seems like all kinds of people knew so it's not like it was all that great a secret.

[dragonflight288]

I'm not as upset with Eamon as others, but I don't trust him either. 

 

And Eamon does have a point. If we don't settle the civil war, Ferelden doesn't stand a chance against the blight. And in order to oppose Loghain, and thus by default Anora, we need someone with a stronger claim to the throne than Anora herself has, which is kind of difficult considering that Anora is already on the throne due to her marriage to Cailan. 

 

So it's really support Alistair to get the Landsmeet going or support Loghain. And even then at the landsmeet, Alistair's claim is one without proof. It's still true, but as the unacknowledged illegitimate son of the late king, with very few people even knowing about his existence, it sets a very poor precedent for the throne. 

 

But again, I don't trust Eamon either. He clearly wants to put a puppet king on the throne. All we have to do is pay attention to his dialogue and we know that he is the one Alistair would turn to for advice. And an Alistair who is hardened will learn statecraft, to the utter shock of everyone. Meaning no one, including Eamon, actually expected Alistair to get involved with running the kingdom. 

 

I'd probably have Anora rule solo more often if it wasn't for the fact that she sucks at giving speeches to the army compared to Alistair. 

[sylvanaerie]

I'm not as upset with Eamon as others, but I don't trust him either. 

 

And Eamon does have a point. If we don't settle the civil war, Ferelden doesn't stand a chance against the blight. And in order to oppose Loghain, and thus by default Anora, we need someone with a stronger claim to the throne than Anora herself has, which is kind of difficult considering that Anora is already on the throne due to her marriage to Cailan. 

 

So it's really support Alistair to get the Landsmeet going or support Loghain. And even then at the landsmeet, Alistair's claim is one without proof. It's still true, but as the unacknowledged illegitimate son of the late king, with very few people even knowing about his existence, it sets a very poor precedent for the throne. 

 

But again, I don't trust Eamon either. He clearly wants to put a puppet king on the throne. All we have to do is pay attention to his dialogue and we know that he is the one Alistair would turn to for advice. And an Alistair who is hardened will learn statecraft, to the utter shock of everyone. Meaning no one, including Eamon, actually expected Alistair to get involved with running the kingdom. 

 

I'd probably have Anora rule solo more often if it wasn't for the fact that she sucks at giving speeches to the army compared to Alistair. 

 

LOL OMG that screechy mess...I just turn down the volume when Mika Simmons addresses the troops.

[TEWR]

That's the only thing I hate about Anora being on the throne too. The speech is good, but the delivery is.... awful. Very awful. So I always mute it also.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

That's the only thing I hate about Anora being on the throne too. The speech is good, but the delivery is.... awful. Very awful. So I always mute it also.

I just block it out. Mainly by concentrating on Anora's appearance.

[Beregond5]

Speaking as someone who was mentally and verbally abused by a stepmother growing up, while my father knew but did nothing, I have zero tolerance for Eamon doing it. He knew his wife was tormenting Alistair, he did nothing. "There's the evil that acts and the evil that sits back and does nothing," as they say. Eamon is just as bad (worse, since he could have told her off or explained the situation to her or something), so I cut him no slack.

 

First of all, I'm really sorry for what you had to go through. It must have been awful.

 

And, yeah, when you put it that way, it's definitely bad. One could say that maybe, just maybe, Isolde and Eamon had so many arguments concerning Alistair ('Is he really your son?' 'No, he's not my son.' 'Then why do you keep him here?' 'Because.' 'That's not an excuse' and so on and so forth), that, in the end, Eamon probably figured that by sending Alistair in the Chantry he'd reach a compromise that would appease her and that Alistair would be taken care of.

 

Do I justify his actions? Not really. He is the Arl of Redcliffe, and he is the King's uncle. He was in a position where he could either ignore the rumours without his status in the Bannorn getting all that bruised or cave in under pressure. He chose the latter.

 

With that said, Maric, the bloody king, could also acknowledge Alistair as his son and the Bannorn would accept it, but, instead, he swept him under the carpet and pretended he wasn't there.

 

 

 

... I'm gonna go have my female Warden give Alistair a big hug now.

[Jedimaster88]

But again, I don't trust Eamon either. He clearly wants to put a puppet king on the throne. All we have to do is pay attention to his dialogue and we know that he is the one Alistair would turn to for advice. And an Alistair who is hardened will learn statecraft, to the utter shock of everyone. Meaning no one, including Eamon, actually expected Alistair to get involved with running the kingdom. 

 

 

 

This reminds of the scene in Game of thrones where Tywin Lannister tells Tommen how a wise young king listens to his advisors and does as they say and the wisest kings will continue to do so when they are fully grown up.

[dragonflight288]

This reminds of the scene in Game of thrones where Tywin Lannister tells Tommen how a wise young king listens to his advisors and does as they say and the wisest kings will continue to do so when they are fully grown up.

 

I've never seen Game of Thrones, but that is absolutely ridiculous and kind of comical. 

 

Did Tommen believe him?

[Jaison1986]

I'm not as upset with Eamon as others, but I don't trust him either. 

 

And Eamon does have a point. If we don't settle the civil war, Ferelden doesn't stand a chance against the blight. And in order to oppose Loghain, and thus by default Anora, we need someone with a stronger claim to the throne than Anora herself has, which is kind of difficult considering that Anora is already on the throne due to her marriage to Cailan. 

 

So it's really support Alistair to get the Landsmeet going or support Loghain. And even then at the landsmeet, Alistair's claim is one without proof. It's still true, but as the unacknowledged illegitimate son of the late king, with very few people even knowing about his existence, it sets a very poor precedent for the throne. 

 

But again, I don't trust Eamon either. He clearly wants to put a puppet king on the throne. All we have to do is pay attention to his dialogue and we know that he is the one Alistair would turn to for advice. And an Alistair who is hardened will learn statecraft, to the utter shock of everyone. Meaning no one, including Eamon, actually expected Alistair to get involved with running the kingdom. 

 

I'd probably have Anora rule solo more often if it wasn't for the fact that she sucks at giving speeches to the army compared to Alistair. 

 

Man, tell about it. When I got there I was like "Alistair, I know you're still bitter about Loghain survival, but seriously, Anora just doesn't cut it. You need to come back!"

[MisterJB]

He dared suggest a Mabari's allegiance could be bought with treats.

That man is no true Fereldan!

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I've never seen Game of Thrones, but that is absolutely ridiculous and kind of comical. 

 

Did Tommen believe him?

Strictly speaking, what Tywin said wasn't actually wrong. Tywin is using this truth to increase his power over his young and naive grandson, but kings are supposed to listen to advisors. It's what the title means.

 

Jedimaster also didn't mention that this comes close to the end of a manipulation scene in which Tywin comes across as a kind but stern grandfather and lets Tommen figure out a riddle bit by bit (this riddle being "what quality is most important in a king" with the intended answer being "wisdom"), correcting wrong answers while working fairly hard not to make Tommen feel all that stupid. Tommen then realizes, correctly, that he doesn't yet have the wisdom to be a king, and prompts Tywin to say what he says by telling his grandfather as much.

 

So really, how was Tommen not supposed to fall into this trap? And how much of a trap was it, really?

[ImAnElfMofos!]

Hmmmm. . .

 

Eamon didn't raise him like "a loving father" or did you think Connor ever spent a day sleeping in the kennels?  Alistair considers himself lucky in that he survived childhood with a roof over his head, clothes on his back and food in his mouth, but fulfillment of the most basic needs does not equate to "care".

 

Probably the worst part of the grief I had with Eamon is the hypocrisy of his behavior during Alistair's childhood, instilling in him that he's a threat to Cailan's throne, that he's a commoner and has no right to it, making the boy doubt all his decisions.  Then the first thing Eamon does when he wakes up is use the boy.  Says 'the unthinkable' has happened.  Pushes for Alistair to take the throne, even though he doesn't want it.  I put Anora on the throne because I know 1) Alistair doesn't want it and seems much happier as a grey warden, 2) Eamon wants to rule through a puppet Alistair, 3) She does a creditable job ruling on her own.

 

Eamon didn't send Alistair to the chantry because Alistair wanted to be there.  He sent him there to shut Isolde up.  He certainly didn't do it because he foresaw Duncan recruiting him.  

 

If Alistair is executed after Loghain is recruited, Eamon just shrugs and doesn't say a damn thing to the warden who is responsible for Alistair's death.

 

Who is it who arrives in Kirkwall to bring the boy home?  Not Eamon but Teagan.

 

In fact, it is Teagan ALONE among the Guerrin's who expresses real joy/relief to see his 'nephew' survives Ostagar.  He had more fatherly affection for the boy than Eamon does.

 

And Maric wins no points with me for being the PoS father who abandons him either.  Least he could have done was check up on the boy, make sure he was okay.  It's not like Alistair was never told who his dad was.  To not know is one thing, to know and believe his father didn't give a rat's ass about him is 100 times worse.  Cailan knew, Anora knew, Duncan and Loghain knew.  Teagan knew.  Rowan was dead, it's not like anyone was trying to 'save her reputation' since she was years dead by the time Maric had his fling with Fiona.  Seems like all kinds of people knew so it's not like it was all that great a secret.

 

This has enlightened me. . I didn't actually know that he does nothing to the execution of Alistair. . .damn

 

But can you please tell me who was responsible of fixing the supposedly broken amulet of Alistair's mom?This amulet broke because at the time Alistair was to be sent to the chantry, Alistair threw this amulet and it broke. and why put it in Eamon's drawer?

 

Come to think of it, that's the only thing i think was a confusing thing from everything u guys said