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[Salarian Jesus]

Dragoons. Their whips are laughably easy to avoid, and blowing up their heads while they are running at you is really satisfying.

[TheNightSlasher]

Bit sad that buttlazers qualifies as least BS. (Note; I'm disagreeing with you either.   )

Right, because that is the only BS in the entire game.

 

To all those who say collectors are bad/have the most BS: I may go overboard in saying how good a faction collectors are , but just think about it:

 

1. How are buttlazers any worse than atlas rockets that hit you after you dodge them or banshee warps that go through walls or bombers that stun you through walls?

 

2. Honestly, if you remove buttlazors and the occasional drill ammo lazors (note that both can be almost completely avoided by going into hardcover), collectors don't have BS in my opinion. 

 

3. You can say seeker swarms and plagues are BS but here's a situation - you have to run from point A to B. Now, would you run freely if there was a seeker plague in the way or a turret or a combat drone or ravager goo+swarmers. The answer is obviously the seeker plague because turret can mow you down in 2-3 seconds, drone can stagger you forcing you to take huge damage from primes etc and swarmers and ravager acid DOT is too high. Now, that is what I call least BS. All the seeker plague does is some damage and lock you out of powers (but you have a gun).

 

4. Many hate captains due to their insanely high DPS. Sometimes it does frustrate me but then I would think to myself - if I shoot a collector captain in the head, he gets staggered and more importantly takes good damage. If it's a phantom, she doesn't care about stagger and due to the dumb DR mechanism, she takes piddly damage and continues shooting at you. So, while collectors reward my aim (if I headshot well, a stagger is guaranteed), cerberus don't (despite my perfect headshot, phantom takes 1 bar of barrier damage, flips and continues attacking). Then consider the rocket trooper and their double/triple taps or the hunter that staggers you while being staggered, and collector captains seem alright. 
 

5. Scion grenades - another thing that is widely considered BS. Their frequency and accuracy is quite high, but on the other hand scions are so easy to stagger. And you can trick them into throwing grenades out of cover by playing around with cover yourself. And the animation itself is very clear. It is better than cerberus smoke, that makes you see nothing while enemies can see perfectly. It's better than geth primes spawning turrets through walls, better than brutes' alarmingly high melee range (the latter two have animations that deceive you, scions don't).

 

6. Reapers seem fair until the moment a banshee teleports through a wall and sync kills you. That is quite stupid, and true example of BS.

 

I think I have made my point. Any thing further would be just a waste of my time. I have always given reasons as to why I think collectors are better than other factions, but everytime I say that, buttlazers are the only response I get. That only proves my point - collectors have just one BS aspect while other factions have more.

You may not agree with me but just give it a thought. 

[Teabaggin Krogan]

cerberus:

FAV: assault trooper,i mean why does no one love this guy;it's so much fun to set them on fire and then to watch them dance around

hated:phantoms, why you bring a sword to a gun fight??

 

Reapers:fav: brutes and banshees when your dodging their melee or warps and then raining down biotic explosions on them,also ravagers when your a shotgun toting krogan and your headbutting your way through a bunch of them(i'm talkin gold or lower here)

 hated:those sneaky husks:stop grabbing me dammit!

 

Geth: I just hate them all but if i have to pick one fave it'll be the primes sidekick drone

 

Collectors:fave:possesed abominations,nuff said

hated: pretorians,hate the fricking crabs and their wall hacking lasers and crazy instakills

           but i agree with Nightslasher about the less BS aspect,i mean other than the fact that the captains use collector rifle level 25 and the stuff about pretorians i said earlier overall they are a kinda well designed and are a challenging faction to play against

but i also disagree on the bit about banshees coming through walls,i mean if a Fury or a cabal can do it then i think its justified and okay   

[mechanical_lunatic]

[...]

 

5. Scion grenades - another thing that is widely considered BS. Their frequency and accuracy is quite high, but on the other hand scions are so easy to stagger. And you can trick them into throwing grenades out of cover by playing around with cover yourself. And the animation itself is very clear. It is better than cerberus smoke, that makes you see nothing while enemies can see perfectly. It's better than geth primes spawning turrets through walls, better than brutes' alarmingly high melee range (the latter two have animations that deceive you, scions don't).

 

[...]

 

I agree that the other factions have some serious BS.

 

But Scions ARE able to deceive you: I ran past one while he was looking at another player (and moving towards him). So I'm behind it. He starts his grenade launch animation and I begin my attack. Next thing I know I'm covered in grenades. And the Scion happily continues walking to the team mate. Thanks to HM Speed I was able to get out. I would call this BS.

 

And apart from this and the Lazers there are also the Scion shots that can hit you through a wall or cover, when the Scion is at a lower altitude than you. Not to forget the Swarms and Plagues that get killed before they explode and out of the void retaliate with their effect --- and than the Collector Captain (that was to be stunned/staggered by the next power) takes down the unshielded player. Nice teamwork indeed. (And sometimes a Praetorian melees a team mate and than grabs the player behind it without turning . . . must have learned something from Banshees --- or the other way around.)

 

Of course if you have good team synergy Collectors are fun to fight (lots of BEs help disable Swarms, so even Vanguards can have fun). But then again with a good team you have more fun against the other factions, too.

 

EDIT: Forgot the OT part

Cerberus: Nemesis

Reaper: Cannibal ("Have to kill. Have to kill. Oh there's a fresh corpse . . . munch.")

Geth: Geth Trooper (He is just cute when trying to copy the Marauders Elbow technique with his GPR.)

Collector: Possessed Abominations (the visual+audible part of the Explosion is nice)

 

EDIT2:
If I could choose one before a certain patch, I would definitely take the Prime Combat Drone before it was able to Stagger. It was a cute little glowing ball orbiting it's Prime and doing nothing except looking pretty.

Modifié par mechanical_lunatic, 10 septembre 2014 - 01:43 .

[TheNightSlasher]

I agree that the other factions have some serious BS.

 

But Scions ARE able to deceive you: I ran past one while he was looking at another player (and moving towards him). So I'm behind it. He starts his grenade launch animation and I begin my attack. Next thing I know I'm covered in grenades. And the Scion happily continues walking to the team mate. Thanks to HM Speed I was able to get out. I would call this BS.

 

And apart from this and the Lazers there are also the Scion shots that can hit you through a wall or cover, when the Scion is at a lower altitude than you. Not to forget the Swarms and Plagues that get killed before they explode and out of the void retaliate with their effect --- and than the Collector Captain (that was to be stunned/staggered by the next power) takes down the unshielded player. Nice teamwork indeed. (And sometimes a Praetorian melees a team mate and than grabs the player behind it without turning . . . must have learned something from Banshees --- or the other way around.)

 

Of course if you have good team synergy Collectors are fun to fight (lots of BEs help disable Swarms, so even Vanguards can have fun). But then again with a good team you have more fun against the other factions, too.

1. Everything you said is not unique to collectors alone. I have seen cannibals, assault troopers launch grenades while facing the opposite direction.

2. Ravagers and atlases can shoot through walls too. Rocket troopers can, as well.

3. Swarms/plagues never remove your shields if you kill them before exploding (before is the key word, you may have shot it once the explosion animation started). If what you observed was off-host, then no one can explain that. But on-host, it never happens. 

4. And when a sync-kill capable enemy performs a melee, it is ready to sync kill not just the player that got melee'd but any one within that radius. Phantoms are way more notorious for this than praetorians ever are or can be. I can show you dozens of videos where phantoms, brutes etc have done that. Only banshees have a direction check for sync kill - none of the other sync kill capable units have that check, not just praetorians.

[grailseeker91]

My thoughts on the factions and enemies:

 

Cerberus: Favorite foe: Nemesis. My favorite class to play is the sniping infiltrator and the nemesis as the counterpart leads to some interesting cat/mouse games

                 Least  favorite: Phantom and Dragoon. The phantom's randomly high DR is annoying, but what irks me is the palm cannon. Really that thing is has the accuracy at range to duel with a widow wielding Drell Assassin? As for the dragoon, how can that thing move so silently and shake off stun attacks that stagger a juggernaut?

 

Geth: Favorite unit: Prime. I expect the shenanigans people complain about from a mobile command post. Also the satisfaction of watching them blow up is immense

          Dislike: The hunter. Awesome concept poor execution. I hate how it can become invincible by cloaking and autorecover from stagger moves while simultaneously stunlock you into submission.

 

Reaper: Favorite enemy: Brute. It's fun to play matador and funny to watch the consequences of messing up.

              Hate; No one here. Yes the banshee has it's bs moments, but the reapers as a whole are a fair faction with every strength having an available counter.

 

Collector: Favorite Unit: Praetorian. Yes the occasional butt laser happens, yes it seems to have a sixth sense to when a cobra is coming and dodges, yes it doesn't make sense how it can move like a ninja, but, to me, that makes it the ultimate game. I love bringing one down.

                 Loathe: Scions. On gold whatever, I expect cheap tricks here, but I feel it's a bit overkill on bronze and silver. Main reason is if you can drop all but the tankiest builds in one volley, why do you need high accuracy, a 4+ second shield regen delay ability, and stunlock with each shot? I will call bs on this at the lower difficulties. Still not enough though to make me displace the collectors as my second favorite faction. 

[Pee Jae]

Cerberus - I dig the designs of the Phantom and Nemesis and their sounds. Nemesis is like a Terminator. A really sneaky one. Phantoms sound like that creepy girl in high school who talked to herself and you just know if you followed her into the bathroom, she'd be in a stall poking needles into a voodoo doll. And giggling. In a whisper.

 

Reapers - Hands down, the Banshee. No other reaper unit instills terror in the hearts of newbs like a Banshee scream.

Geth - I simply hate this faction and never willingly play against them. Ever.

 

Collectors - Same as above. I like the Captain's design, but that's it. The redesigned Scions just make them annoying to me. (insert arm cannon damage is too damn high jpg here) 

[Sailears]

The thing about praetorians - they are the only enemy unit in all the factions that is so blatantly biased in favour of weapon damage and almost a hard counter to melee builds.

I won't talk about powers because I believe there is plenty of opportunity to nuke praetorians with powers when they are grounded.

Anyway back to melee builds, consider other examples:
- phantoms can easily be killed by any competent melee kit
- atlases can be meleed and their ground pound dodged
- brutes can easily be meleed and dodged without taking much if any damage
- banshees have clear windows of opportunity to melee them
- geth primes can be meleed and their counter attack dodged

Praetorians on the other hand are a hard counter to melee builds. You have two options:
1. Melee them while they are distracted by a teammate
2. Melee when they are down to a few bars of armour

You can get away with melee if no teammates with a good amount of luck - for example melee followed by a very quick dodge out of the way - for example if they have just been staggered backwards you have a fraction of a second to get your attack in, or if they are lazoring you could get a quick melee attack in. But most of the time it's too much of a risk and highly dependant on the individual melee attack speed of the kit you are playing.

This to me is pure BS.

Regarding the rest of the collectors - I like the rest of them, and agree there is much less BS than geth or Cerberus.
However reapers are by far the easiest, with the major annoyance being ravager acid/goo/swarmers.

[MEuniverse]

Collectors:   

Love everything in this faction. Collector trooper, abomination, captain, scion, praetorian, swarms and their possessed variants. One of the best things in ME3 MP. Perfect balance, least BS, the faction that actually hurts you for being reckless and improves your game. But once you work on your gameplay, the reward is sweet (no dumb DR that renders some guns useless, no ever-present stunlock and no enemies that magically teleport to sync kill you).

I knew you love Collectors the most

[MEuniverse]

I hate them all. 

We all do

[MEuniverse]

F.

T.

F.

Y.

 

Albeit the ME Universe doesn't have any PvP to begin with...

I don't like PVP not because it is harder!.

 

you absolutely will know what I mean if Mass Effect 3 had a PVP only MP! lol

[J. Peterman]

Not Geth.

[chcknwng]

[Dalakaar]

Moar Collector Luv.

Er, actually I meant to say, "Bit sad that buttlazers qualifies as least BS. (Note; I'm not disagreeing with you either.   )

[TheNightSlasher]

Er, actually I meant to say, "Bit sad that buttlazers qualifies as least BS. (Note; I'm not disagreeing with you either.   )

a 'not' can make a huge difference, lol.

 

That post wasn't directed at anyone in particular, so it's all good.

[Loufi]

Right, because that is the only BS in the entire game.

 

To all those who say collectors are bad/have the most BS: I may go overboard in saying how good a faction collectors are , but just think about it:

 

1. How are buttlazers any worse than atlas rockets that hit you after you dodge them or banshee warps that go through walls or bombers that stun you through walls?

 

2. Honestly, if you remove buttlazors and the occasional drill ammo lazors (note that both can be almost completely avoided by going into hardcover), collectors don't have BS in my opinion. 

 

3. You can say seeker swarms and plagues are BS but here's a situation - you have to run from point A to B. Now, would you run freely if there was a seeker plague in the way or a turret or a combat drone or ravager goo+swarmers. The answer is obviously the seeker plague because turret can mow you down in 2-3 seconds, drone can stagger you forcing you to take huge damage from primes etc and swarmers and ravager acid DOT is too high. Now, that is what I call least BS. All the seeker plague does is some damage and lock you out of powers (but you have a gun).

 

4. Many hate captains due to their insanely high DPS. Sometimes it does frustrate me but then I would think to myself - if I shoot a collector captain in the head, he gets staggered and more importantly takes good damage. If it's a phantom, she doesn't care about stagger and due to the dumb DR mechanism, she takes piddly damage and continues shooting at you. So, while collectors reward my aim (if I headshot well, a stagger is guaranteed), cerberus don't (despite my perfect headshot, phantom takes 1 bar of barrier damage, flips and continues attacking). Then consider the rocket trooper and their double/triple taps or the hunter that staggers you while being staggered, and collector captains seem alright. 
 

5. Scion grenades - another thing that is widely considered BS. Their frequency and accuracy is quite high, but on the other hand scions are so easy to stagger. And you can trick them into throwing grenades out of cover by playing around with cover yourself. And the animation itself is very clear. It is better than cerberus smoke, that makes you see nothing while enemies can see perfectly. It's better than geth primes spawning turrets through walls, better than brutes' alarmingly high melee range (the latter two have animations that deceive you, scions don't).

 

6. Reapers seem fair until the moment a banshee teleports through a wall and sync kills you. That is quite stupid, and true example of BS.

 

I think I have made my point. Any thing further would be just a waste of my time. I have always given reasons as to why I think collectors are better than other factions, but everytime I say that, buttlazers are the only response I get. That only proves my point - collectors have just one BS aspect while other factions have more.

You may not agree with me but just give it a thought. 

1- If I wanted to be petty, I would say that it's not worse, but it's not better. Each faction has his bugs / BS.

3- The fact that a turret can block a passage is precisely one of the thing I appreciate with Cerberus. In the example you mention, you have to quickly react to this situation : do I continue, trying  to avoid the turret's shots, or do I move back, knowing that a Phantom is close behind me ? The cold blood of the player is here mobilized, and I like that. This game is not tactical but Cerberus gives you a little sample of that. I prefer this kind of problem than having my powers blocked.

4- Comparing Collectors captains to Phantoms isn't fairly accurate IMO, Phantoms are more sub-bosses than captains. I don't complain about their high dps. Collectors are rough, I'm OK with that.

5- Like turrets, and for the same reasons, smoke is cool. I have nothing against Scions' grenades in terms of BS, I just find this ability uninspired.  

 

You may have missed my previous post for the part I put in bold. Buttlazers are a problem but, what I don't like the most with Collectors, is the weak number of different ennemies. Basically, when I fight them, I feel that I have only 4 different opponents (abominations, troopers and captains who look like the same, Scions and Praetorians) + a few pets. This is this lack of diversity I find boring, and why I said that Collectors were poorly designed. The fact that they can become possessed was an interesting idea but it doesn't change enough their behavior IMO.

 

I think we could debate of this during hours without coming to an agreement, so I believe that we have to agree that we disagree mate. We have obviously different preferences and definitions of what is BS, cheap and unfair, and arguing about that would be just a waste of time   .   

[Deerber]

3. You can say seeker swarms and plagues are BS but here's a situation - you have to run from point A to B. Now, would you run freely if there was a seeker plague in the way or a turret or a combat drone or ravager goo+swarmers. The answer is obviously the seeker plague because turret can mow you down in 2-3 seconds, drone can stagger you forcing you to take huge damage from primes etc and swarmers and ravager acid DOT is too high. Now, that is what I call least BS. All the seeker plague does is some damage and lock you out of powers (but you have a gun).

... Man... You're totally nuts here.

[TheNightSlasher]

... Man... You're totally nuts here.

Ok. It's stating the obvious but still, thanks.

[FuriousFelicia]

Cerberus - Phantom is the most interesting adversary to fight even though they can be cheap.

Worst - you're not gonna believe but Atlas. **** the phantoms and dragoons altogether, this sob doesn't care about soft cover, RHA or cloak and his missiles always fire in your direction when you least need it. They even predict where you're gonna be next so they can great you just as you come out of cover.

Reapers - Well I really like killing Ravagers and I think they're mostly fair except sometimes when they lock on while out of sight.

Worst - again suprise - it's Cannibals for me. Those bastards is what usually kills my Fury because I normally worry more about husks and swarmers than cannibals so they tend to creep on me because I hardly notice them.

Geth - wave 8 gold is where my joy is with them. But if I had to pick one it would be the Prime because he's the boss of all bosses.

Worst - without a doubt RTs and the drone share first place. The drone maybe because that is the soul of geth stunlock especially if you experienced multiple full auto drone spam bug.

Collectors - I really love A-bombs and when there's one on the field, if I'm not the one to kill it, I immediately have to light a cigarette to calm down.

Worst - damn crabs and their buttlazors, stealth mode, the bubble, can't touch this melee, can't make up my mind if I want to sit, fly or just spam lazors whatever I do, and that annoying shrieking almost makes banshees sound plesant.

[Sailears]

Worst - you're not gonna believe but Atlas. **** the phantoms and dragoons altogether, this sob doesn't care about soft cover, RHA or cloak and his missiles always fire in your direction when you least need it. They even predict where you're gonna be next so they can great you just as you come out of cover.

 

I believe and agree with this 100%.

 

Atlas rockets and sniping cannon through centurion smoke are in my top list of most annoying things in this game, right behind EA servers, Origin, lag and praetorian melee hard-counter.

 

The funny thing with atlases is you can't always ignore them till last like banshees (easy to run away from and kill everything else), praetorians (similar to banshees) or even geth primes (the rest of the geth mostly run straight at you faster than the prime so you can avoid it and kill the rest). The rocket and cannon with centurion smoke is nasty in open spaces, together with half of the rest of cerberus that like to wait for you to make a wrong move.
 

[FuriousFelicia]

Right, because that is the only BS in the entire game.
 
To all those who say collectors are bad/have the most BS: I may go overboard in saying how good a faction collectors are , but just think about it: .......

 
1. How are buttlazers any worse than atlas rockets that hit you after you dodge them or banshee warps that go through walls or bombers that stun you through walls?

 

They are certainly not, and you can even dodge lazors.
 
2. Honestly, if you remove buttlazors and the occasional drill ammo lazors (note that both can be almost completely avoided by going into hardcover), collectors don't have BS in my opinion. 

 

Oh yes they do.
 
3. You can say seeker swarms and plagues are BS but here's a situation - you have to run from point A to B. Now, would you run freely if there was a seeker plague in the way or a turret or a combat drone or ravager goo+swarmers. The answer is obviously the seeker plague because turret can mow you down in 2-3 seconds, drone can stagger you forcing you to take huge damage from primes etc and swarmers and ravager acid DOT is too high. Now, that is what I call least BS. All the seeker plague does is some damage and lock you out of powers (but you have a gun).

 

Yes but it does that mostly when you don't see or expect it, and swarmers, drones die by a mare glance and ravager goo is stationary and doesn't shoot, while the damn beeezzzz have quite a lot of health, and are mostly dummies but they are a distraction when you're in a hot spot, a distraction that you have to kill as well as other bigger threats coming your way. And screw the damn guns, I need powah man
 
4. Many hate captains due to their insanely high DPS. Sometimes it does frustrate me but then I would think to myself - if I shoot a collector captain in the head, he gets staggered and more importantly takes good damage. If it's a phantom, she doesn't care about stagger and due to the dumb DR mechanism, she takes piddly damage and continues shooting at you. So, while collectors reward my aim (if I headshot well, a stagger is guaranteed), cerberus don't (despite my perfect headshot, phantom takes 1 bar of barrier damage, flips and continues attacking). Then consider the rocket trooper and their double/triple taps or the hunter that staggers you while being staggered, and collector captains seem alright. 

 

You do have a point, when compared to those enemies, captains aren't that bad but hell NO to being mowed down in point two seconds from full shields while running perpendicular to his burst, that's pure and utter BS.
 
5. Scion grenades - another thing that is widely considered BS. Their frequency and accuracy is quite high, but on the other hand scions are so easy to stagger. And you can trick them into throwing grenades out of cover by playing around with cover yourself. And the animation itself is very clear. It is better than cerberus smoke, that makes you see nothing while enemies can see perfectly. It's better than geth primes spawning turrets through walls, better than brutes' alarmingly high melee range (the latter two have animations that deceive you, scions don't). 

 

They aren't bad because you can easily avoid them but they sure can f*ck up hacks. And you say they can't fool you, well how about the "oh this cannon is so heavy I can barely lift it", and the next time you get a quick salute and you're health gated.
 
6. Reapers seem fair until the moment a banshee teleports through a wall and sync kills you. That is quite stupid, and true example of BS. 

 

I agree, they are a menace mostly and are also prone to sudden changes in behavior like when they get a free jump or goes after you like you're in thunderdome.
 
I think I have made my point. Any thing further would be just a waste of my time. I have always given reasons as to why I think collectors are better than other factions, but everytime I say that, buttlazers are the only response I get. That only proves my point - collectors have just one BS aspect while other factions have more.
You may not agree with me but just give it a thought. 

 

Collectors are hard, and that's mostly it. They are quicker and generally more deadly than any other faction plus there's more of them if you count the beez. 

 

But when it comes to a solo, I nominate Geth as the prime BS bastards in that category

[FuriousFelicia]

I believe and agree with this 100%.

 

Atlas rockets and sniping cannon through centurion smoke are in my top list of most annoying things in this game, right behind EA servers, Origin, lag and praetorian melee hard-counter.

 

The funny thing with atlases is you can't always ignore them till last like banshees (easy to run away from and kill everything else), praetorians (similar to banshees) or even geth primes (the rest of the geth mostly run straight at you faster than the prime so you can avoid it and kill the rest). The rocket and cannon with centurion smoke is nasty in open spaces, together with half of the rest of cerberus that like to wait for you to make a wrong move.
 

 

Atlas is almost like a prime, but you can sometimes dodge/sidestep/outrun their siege pulses (though the drone and the turret are also a very important factors here) however you cant do that with atlas and you sometimes ''get it'' even in RHA. 

[mechanical_lunatic]

[...]

Reapers - Well I really like killing Ravagers and I think they're mostly fair except sometimes when they lock on while out of sight.

Worst - again suprise - it's Cannibals for me. Those bastards is what usually kills my Fury because I normally worry more about husks and swarmers than cannibals so they tend to creep on me because I hardly notice them.

[...]

 

So even the mighty 6/6/6/6/6 N7 Fury has trouble with something like Cannibals . . . that leaves me a bit worried.

[FuriousFelicia]

So even the mighty 6/6/6/6/6 N7 Fury has trouble with something like Cannibals . . . that leaves me a bit worried.

 

I'd rather they had shields as far as Fury is concerned. And they sometimes wait behind walls to hug you.

[crashsuit]

Re: Atlas rockets, I can't even count the number of times I've stepped out of cover to get a psychic rocket to the face.