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[Dale]

At times, players just have a general question to ask the experts.  Here goes:

 

In ME3, is there any advantage / disadvantage in saving / destroying the collector base in ME2?

[Excella Gionne]

It would only matter if you're getting only one ending then it would mean something. If you saved the CB, you get Control as your only ending for super low EMS, and for destroying the CB, you get Destroy. 

[ComradeShepard7]

EMS points: the only way many of your trilogy choices matter in ME3.

[themikefest]

At times, players just have a general question to ask the experts.  Here goes:

 

In ME3, is there any advantage / disadvantage in saving / destroying the collector base in ME2?

Yes.

 

If you want the vaporize ending you have to destroy the base in ME2 and have your ems below 1750, and since you destroyed the base, destroy will be the only ending you have giving you the vaporize ending. Earth is scorched. The doors to the Normandy don't open.

https://www.youtube....h?v=pe_UgzvRclk

 

If you save the base in ME2 and your ems is below 1750, control is the only ending that is available. The Normandy will be damaged, but all crew live.

[ZipZap2000]

Checking in with your assets once you've destroyed the Cerberus base and secured the reaper brain reveals that saving the base made Cerberus harder to defeat because they had better upgrades.

[Dale]

Thanks all for your helpful answers - I'm sure others may have the same question since when starting a new game in ME3 (and copying ME2 character) it lists things that are carred over from both ME1 and ME2.   I noticed "destroyed the collector base" -- so I wondered where in the game it mattered.

 

BTY - I really do try to search all existing threads FIRST -- however I couldn't get a straight answer on this one.   Perhaps the wrong keywords....or not as smart as you guys.

 

Again, thanks!

[Vazgen]

Preserving the base gives you 110 war assets while destroying it - 100

[CaIIisto]

Story-wise, isn't it the difference between the Human Reaper brain or heart turning up in ME3? Which in itself makes absolutely no difference either way of course....

[Mordokai]

Story-wise, isn't it the difference between the Human Reaper brain or heart turning up in ME3? Which in itself makes absolutely no difference either way of course....

 

It's the symbolism. Destroying the base is an emotional action. Shepard even says it... "I won't let fear define who I am". Emotions are ruled by heart, therefore, the heart gets preserved.

 

Not destroying the base is the smart action, since you know, Collector technology, advantage against the Reapers... basically, Bioware is telling you you did the smart thing by not destroying it. Therefore, you get the brains.

 

How well that worked out is another discussion, of course.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

No. Your choice doesn't matter unless you want to play ME3 like an idiot.

 

Destroying the base gives you one of the most asinine lines in the entire series, right up there with "I thought asari needed other species to reproduce" - I won't let fear compromise who I am. What does this have to do with destroying or saving the base? Nothing.

[Farangbaa]

Destroying the base is like destroying the pyramids because a lot of workers/slaves died building it.

[von uber]

What is the minimum amount of missions required to complete the trilogy (i.e. no side quests, no unnecessary recruitment in ME2 etc)? Who would live / die? What would the ending be?

[Dale]

Intellectually it made sense to save the base --- but consider exactly WHO was the benefactor?  

 

If for Hackett, then YES -- I'd save the base.   Alternatively, for someone who would slit your throat (if it was "convenient"), then NO.   Admittedly in ME2, TIM sounded almost "respectable".   To bad he didn't remain that way in ME3.

 

Initially I saved the base -- then after playing ME3 for about 10 hours -- I thought to myself "what in the heck did you just give TIM?".   So I went back and destroyed the base & restarted ME3.

[Farangbaa]

I don't care who receives it, destroying such a huge cache of unknown tech is just wrong.

[CaIIisto]

Admittedly in ME2, TIM sounded almost "respectable".   To bad he didn't remain that way in ME3.

 

It would have been more appropriate if Shepard had done this at the end of ME3;

 

 

Fitting, seeing as he'd become a pantomime/Scooby Doo villain by that point.

[Iakus]

As pointed out, it only matters if you tank your EMS so bad you're pretty much doing it on purpose.

 

At which point, if you destroyed the Collector Base the only option the Catalyst gives you is Destroy, and if you saved the base, the Catalyst only gives you Control.

[themikefest]

What is the minimum amount of missions required to complete the trilogy (i.e. no side quests, no unnecessary recruitment in ME2 etc)? Who would live / die? What would the ending be?

ME1

Eden Prime

recruit all

Feros

Therum

Noveris

Virmire Kaidan or Ashley dead

Ilos/Citadel

 

ME2

SR1 blows up

Cerberus station

Freedon's Progress

Garrus. Mordin, Grunt, Jack

You can if you want, pick up Zaeed and Kasumi since they have no recruitment mission

Horizon

You have to do 5 missions after Horizon to activate the collector ship.

What I would do is recruit Tali and do 4 loyalty mission's of your choosing

Collector ship

You now have 9 squadmates with 4 loyal

get upgrades for ship from Garrus, Jacob and Tali

IFF

At this point you may have to do 2 missions to activate the collectors boarding the ship. I would do 2 more loyalty missions giving you 6 loyal

I would have Mordin, Kasumi, Tali, Jack, Miranda and Grunt loyal

through the relay

Miranda fireteam leader both times

Kasumi or Tali for vent

Mordin to escort crew back he lives

Jack for barrier

Take Kasumi and Tali to the reaper they live

all others hold the line and possibly all living

so no deaths.

 

ME3

Earth

Menae

Sur'Kesh

Rachni

Cure genophage

Citadel coup

Geth dreadnought

save Koris

choose Quarians/Geth

Thessia

Sanctuary

Chronos

Earth

destroy

if you decided to scan planets at all for assets, you could end up with the breath scenes

 

dead characters

Ashley/Kaidan, Mordin, Eve, edi, Jack,Jacob, Kirrahe( if alive from ME1) Zaeed and Kasumi

[von uber]

Boiling it down like that, the game is pretty short!

[Farangbaa]

Boiling it down like that, the game is pretty short!

Yeah and Super Mario Bros 3 can be beaten in 11 minutes and Zelda on the N64 can be beaten in 18.

But no one's going to claim those games are short.

[themikefest]

Boiling it down like that, the game is pretty short!

Yep. I was able to play all three games in under 19 hours and still got the breath scene. For me, ME2 takes the longest to play through.

[Dale]

I have a question about Javik & Prothean tech.   Searching the forums there's lots of opinions on Javik (last year) - including (you guessed it) HATE (he’s a Nazi).  Instead, I find him both interesting & intriguing…even if he calls us “stupid primitives!”.  After 50,000 years in a deep freeze, I'll cut the boy some slack.

 

Lots of what I've heard him say made me think – for example (more or less) "we conquered all advanced races to be subordinate to us -- in preparation for the reaper invasion.   By having them all conform to the SAME methods -- the reapers exploited this as a [predictable] weakness".   Now THAT is a mouthful to think about.  

 

Keep in mind he is only a soldier --- but my question to you is about Prothean technology.    As mentioned, they did not build the mass relays or citadel as once thought.   Vigil indicated they "were just beginning to understand the mass relay technology".

 

Does it seem to you that Prothean tech was only slightly higher than the current incumbents in ME3?

[Iakus]

Javik never says they united the races to face the Protheans.  Jsut that their Evolutionary Imperative is that the strong dominate the weak.  And the Protheans were the strong.

 

But yeah, the indication is that the protheans were smewhat ahead of the current cycle.  At least in some ways.  They explored more of the relay network, and in fact actually studied the relays.  And must really be advanced as far as power sources go, given some of their technology still functons after 50,000 years...

[Vazgen]

I have a question about Javik & Prothean tech.   Searching the forums there's lots of opinions on Javik (last year) - including (you guessed it) HATE (he’s a Nazi).  Instead, I find him both interesting & intriguing…even if he calls us “stupid primitives!”.  After 50,000 years in a deep freeze, I'll cut the boy some slack.

 

Lots of what I've heard him say made me think – for example (more or less) "we conquered all advanced races to be subordinate to us -- in preparation for the reaper invasion.   By having them all conform to the SAME methods -- the reapers exploited this as a [predictable] weakness".   Now THAT is a mouthful to think about.  

 

Keep in mind he is only a soldier --- but my question to you is about Prothean technology.    As mentioned, they did not build the mass relays or citadel as once thought.   Vigil indicated they "were just beginning to understand the mass relay technology".

 

Does it seem to you that Prothean tech was only slightly higher than the current incumbents in ME3?

I'm pretty sure they built that Mass Relay statue on the Presidium. Unless the Reapers wanted to have a mass relay on the Citadel that leads to some planet in the middle of nowhere. If they can build a small replica of mass relay technology when they are just beginning to understand it...

Their technology is just different, as is their race. The experience through touch allows for a lot of potential in growth. Imagine schools teaching kids everything not in 12 years but in 1. And the children learn everything through experience which is arguably the best way. That alone gives Protheans a huge edge. They had also conquered all known galaxy. That says something

[ImaginaryMatter]

I have a question about Javik & Prothean tech.   Searching the forums there's lots of opinions on Javik (last year) - including (you guessed it) HATE (he’s a Nazi).  Instead, I find him both interesting & intriguing…even if he calls us “stupid primitives!”.  After 50,000 years in a deep freeze, I'll cut the boy some slack.

 

Lots of what I've heard him say made me think – for example (more or less) "we conquered all advanced races to be subordinate to us -- in preparation for the reaper invasion.   By having them all conform to the SAME methods -- the reapers exploited this as a [predictable] weakness".   Now THAT is a mouthful to think about.  

 

Keep in mind he is only a soldier --- but my question to you is about Prothean technology.    As mentioned, they did not build the mass relays or citadel as once thought.   Vigil indicated they "were just beginning to understand the mass relay technology".

 

Does it seem to you that Prothean tech was only slightly higher than the current incumbents in ME3?

 

This is where things get a little confusing. A lot of what Javik says contradicts what Vigil tells us from ME1 (although I guess you can wiggle your way around this by saying Vigil was giving a brief exposition, was uninformed by being on Ilos, was a VI and was only programmed to say certain things, etc). According to Javik though it seems like the Protheans were much more advanced than the current cycle, going so far as to say something like they had the technological advantage to beat the Reapers but lacked the cultural diversity to beat them. In ME1 it always seemed to me that the Protheans were only slightly past the apex the Reapers based the time between cycles on, meaning that the current cycle could have been near to their level of technological advancement (especially considering that Sovereign was implied to be late by a 1000 years or so).