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The Warden is basically what I call mid tier. Basically power level is as such
Gods
High Dragons and other beasts of legend
Andraste and Tevinter's Highest Magisters
Heroes
Darkspawn
Soldiers
Everyone Else
I'd put Dane, Calenhad, Kordillus Drakon I (whom I suspect was a Reaver as well), and (the original) Flemeth in Andraste's tier
I'd put Dane, Calenhad, Kordillius Drakon I (whom I suspect was a Reaver as well), and (the original) Flemeth in Andraste's tier
What on earth makes you think Drakon was a Reaver? He wasn't exactly known for his combat capabilities, but rather his imposing personality.
The Warden can solo 5 High Dragons.
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What on earth makes you think Drakon was a Reaver? He wasn't exactly known for his combat capabilities, but rather his imposing personality.
The time period, mostly, and his surname which is admittedly not much to go on. Prior to the Nevarran Accord, Andrastianism was eerily similar to the Haven Cult in DA:O.
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The time period, mostly, and his surname which is admittedly not much to go on. Prior to the Nevarran Accord, Andrastianism was eerily similar to the Haven Cult in DA:O.
I don't think there was a unified Andrastianism back then. And it should also be noted, that the cult in Haven didn't always worship dragons. It started out pretty much like any other cult of Andraste.
While we don't really have any concrete proof for or against this hypothesis, I really hope BioWare won't go down this road TWICE (having the founding father ofa nation be a Reaver).
Garahel supposedly killed Andoral by himself.
Altough I suspect The Last Flight will prove that was a myth.
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I don't think there was a unified Andrastianism back then. And it should also be noted, that the cult in Haven didn't always worship dragons. It started out pretty much like any other cult of Andraste.
While we don't really have any concrete proof for or against this hypothesis, I really hope BioWare won't go down this road TWICE (having the founding father ofa nation be a Reaver).
Yeah, then you'll probably hate the link in my signature. It, in part, is the reason why I think Drakon was a Reaver.
Yeah, then you'll probably hate the link in my signature. It, in part, is the reason why I think Drakon was a Reaver.
Nah, I don't hate the theory that Andraste is an Old God in a human body. I think it is far-fetched and based on circumstancial evidence, but I can see where it is comming from.
I am gonna stick with my idea that she is just like Joan of Arc, who was also attributed a lot of traits after her death.
Either way, I don't think we are likely to ever got confirmation regarding the nature of Andraste.
Garahel supposedly killed Andoral by himself.
Altough I suspect The Last Flight will prove that was a myth.
I suspect that the rumours about single-combat might have been a myth, since we saw Cassandra express disbelief that Hawke was able to do so against the Arishok and Corypheus, opponents who were vastly less powerful than an Archdemon.
I reckon Garahel had a party helping him, but because he died after landing the killing blow, they were largely overlooked by history. When discussing the Fifth Blight and those who helped to defeat it, no-one ever mentions Riordan, who was vital in crippling Urthemiel and forcing him to land, at the cost of his own life.
Since all her companions and NPC mooks died, I'd say my Warden pretty much fought Urthemiel by herself. 
I'd put Dane, Calenhad, Kordillus Drakon I (whom I suspect was a Reaver as well), and (the original) Flemeth in Andraste's tier
Maybe, I know new Flemeth is either Andraste tier or god tier. Though the rest of them I wouldn't really put much above the Warden as the Andraste tier is for mortals so power to of defeat death.
Maybe, I know new Flemeth is either Andraste tier or god tier. Though the rest of them I wouldn't really put much above the Warden as the Andraste tier is for mortals so power to of defeat death.
The thing is, the Warden is still human.
Gameplay aside, they can be killed by setting them on fire.
Or an arrow or being stabbed.
So they're not even close to being immortal.
They're just skilled.
The thing is, the Warden is still human.
Gameplay aside, they can be killed by setting them on fire.
Or an arrow or being stabbed.
So they're not even close to being immortal.
They're just skilled.
This is one of the aspects that A LOT of people fail to understand. Trust me... I once had to explain to a person that just because in the gameplay we could survive it, doesn't mean storywise we could. A lowly Hurlock blade swung at an exposed neck of the Warden would kill him just as readily as the bite of a High Dragon.
The thing is, the Warden is still human.
Not if they're an elf or a dwarf. 
The thing is, the Warden is still human.
Gameplay aside, they can be killed by setting them on fire.
Or an arrow or being stabbed.
So they're not even close to being immortal.
They're just skilled.
The same is true about Andraste, Flemeth and the Magisters. The real question is dying the end for them or not.
The same is true about Andraste, Flemeth and the Magisters. The real question is dying the end for them or not.
Flemeth is not human. And if you kill a Magister he dies. Unless you are talking about the originals like Corypheus, in which case they are no longer human either, and thus also incomparable.
The same is true about Andraste, Flemeth and the Magisters. The real question is dying the end for them or not.
Storyline wise, this would mean Shapechanging is much-much more important than gameplay makes it.
A human can't survive a sword.
A dragon can.
It's also why abominations are so terrifying.
Also, Andraste is a very-very odd choice for being a god.
She's not a demigod in-game while alive.
She's just a peasant girl turned knight.
We don't even know if she was that skilled of a warrior or just very charismatic.
She was burned at the stake after all.
Flemeth is not human. And if you kill a Magister he dies. Unless you are talking about the originals like Corypheus, in which case they are no longer human either, and thus also incomparable.
Not just them just the top magisters on Tevinter. And Flemeth may not be human but she can still die.
Okay if were comparing hawke to the warden the warden accomplished feats that were way more difficult then hawke had to deal with. If they were to fight i think the warden would win fairly easily. That being said both are only humane and both can be killed in the same way. Now the inquisitor seems to have some sort of god given power so by the end of the game she/he will probably be the most powerful person in thedas.
The feats argument is kind of superfluous in the fact that we actually have a game system which tells us how powerful they are on a mathematical level.
The Warden may kill an Archdemon at 20th level but Hawke could do it the same.
Hawke wasn't there, though, so it's a moot point.
Okay if were comparing hawke to the warden the warden accomplished feats that were way more difficult then hawke had to deal with. If they were to fight i think the warden would win fairly easily. That being said both are only humane and both can be killed in the same way. Now the inquisitor seems to have some sort of god given power so by the end of the game she/he will probably be the most powerful person in thedas.
Except that most of the Warden's accomplishments aren't combat-related. Sure, the Warden was essentially a general in a massive country-wide armed conflict, but most of this involved diplomacy as you were trying to get a faction to uphold their end of the treaties. Aside from fighting werewolves, an Archdemon and heck of a lot more darkspawn, the Warden faces pretty much the same enemies as Hawke does.
It's hardly fair to then say that because the Warden did more impressive feats, they'd be better in an actual fight. Consider that in Act 2-3 of DA2, Hawke is sent more often to solve a problem as an enforcer than as a diplomat, Hawke's known for being a good fighter, so that probably puts them about on even in terms with the Warden in terms of martial skill.
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Yeah, Hawke is the lazy reluctant hero. If he were in the Warden's shoes for DA:O he might have been as successful. We don't know. As of now the Warden owns him in feats and will power though.
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