Maybe, I know new Flemeth is either Andraste tier or god tier.
Pfft why?
Because she can use documented magic? (The Orelsian enchanter that was adviser to King Meghlen knew spells that would apparently transfer his soul elsewhere)
Or because she can use a higher tier of shape changing?
She's an old mage in my eye, hardly invincible, you just need to be through with killing her.
Like Nids.
Surely all this depends on how each player role plays their Warden? The Warden can and is whatever you the player wants them to be.
My mage warden was just about passable as a healer and not much else, by the end she was just about managing to understand some of the primal spells. Yes I gimped my character for role play, but it means that this Warden was about as far from a demigod as you can get. Her companions are 100% the reason she isn't dead in a ditch 2mins into the game.
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Pfft why?
Because she can use documented magic? (The Orelsian enchanter that was adviser to King Meghlen knew spells that would apparently transfer his soul elsewhere)
Or because she can use a higher tier of shape changing?
She's an old mage in my eye, hardly invincible, you just need to be through with killing her.
Like Nids.
Kind of hard to kill her when she's possessing (and has been for hundreds of years) several witches across the land simultaneously. Andraste-tier for sure homie.
Well I don't trust the level system to be a good representation because hawke has a higher level cap. And hawke might have been able to do it the same but he wasn't there. I like to compare the number of high dragons they kill to determine whose better. Hawke has the one in the mines. The warden has the one at the urn, the two in awakening, and flemeth if you count her.The feats argument is kind of superfluous in the fact that we actually have a game system which tells us how powerful they are on a mathematical level.
The Warden may kill an Archdemon at 20th level but Hawke could do it the same.
Hawke wasn't there, though, so it's a moot point.
Kind of hard to kill her when she's possessing (and has been for hundreds of years) several witches across the land simultaneously. Andraste-tier for sure homie.
Several at once?
She kept a portion of her soul within the amulet, and after that yes, she did essence transfer to another body.
But honest to goodness, without Hawke meddling and severe retcons to what Flemeth had been documented doing at the time, she would have stayed dead after the Warden killed her.
So Andraste tier no.
More likely senior enchanter level with a few neat tricks.
Pfft, people overhype characters i get, but come on, transforming into a dragon and being able to use a documented bit of spell craft don't make you a world ender or deity.
in terms of in the game verse, yes the warden was close to a god.... the companions could do some, but all my wardens usually contributed 50% or more to party damage by themselves (mage, warrior, and rogue)... and i very rarely swapped out party members. Plus the party of four literally slaughtered anywhere from 1000 to 3000 darkspawn throught the course of the game, and if we go to percentages, then the warden potentially slaughters 500 to 1500 darkspawn alone... Comparing them in the novels, it seems like the darkspawn are monstrous beings capable of killing many men before falling.... so we can assume the darkspawn are harder to kill than normal races.
I like hawke, but they really scaled hawke's epicness down.... killing qunari, mages, dwarves, and humans as a majority of your kills just doesnt seem to compare well to the warden's kill record.... hawke probably faced more mages, which are pretty powerful in lore terms....
Warden wins out, cause even when nations ally against the blight, they usually take 100 to 500 years to stop the blight with 3 or more nation's worth of military. The warden took that on with not even 1/2 that amount for back up.
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Several at once?
She kept a portion of her soul within the amulet, and after that yes, she did essence transfer to another body.
But honest to goodness, without Hawke meddling and severe retcons to what Flemeth had been documented doing at the time, she would have stayed dead after the Warden killed her.
So Andraste tier no.
More likely senior enchanter level with a few neat tricks.
Pfft, people overhype characters i get, but come on, transforming into a dragon and being able to use a documented bit of spell craft don't make you a world ender or deity.
She was going to posses Morrigan. Yavana, from the comics, is probably Flemeth. The Witches of the Wilds... all her. Is it concrete? No. But certainly implied. That lady can body hop and split her soul several times over. That's ****** powerful man.
Several at once?
She kept a portion of her soul within the amulet, and after that yes, she did essence transfer to another body.
But honest to goodness, without Hawke meddling and severe retcons to what Flemeth had been documented doing at the time, she would have stayed dead after the Warden killed her.
So Andraste tier no.
More likely senior enchanter level with a few neat tricks.
Pfft, people overhype characters i get, but come on, transforming into a dragon and being able to use a documented bit of spell craft don't make you a world ender or deity.
She was going to posses Morrigan. Yavana, from the comics, is probably Flemeth. The Witches of the Wilds... all her. Is it concrete? No. But certainly implied. That lady can body hop and split her soul several times over. That's ****** powerful man.
Not really, bodies die.
And if you kill the body before the soul can depart its swept away.
Happened to the mage in Stolen Throne, Maric killed him before he could do a soul transfer.
Well at the end of witch hunt morrigan tells us some very ominous things about what flemeth truly is.
Goodie for the Warden to hear yet more speculation from a lady who runs off if you don't impregnate her with a corrupted husk of a dragon.
You know what i know of flemeth?
Her bodies die.
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Not really, bodies die.
And if you kill the body before the soul can depart its swept away.
Happened to the mage in Stolen Throne, Maric killed him before he could do a soul transfer.
Good luck finding them all... and killing them all. Short of someone privy to her ways, like Morrigan, pulling an Order 66 Flemeth is immortal.
Several at once?
She kept a portion of her soul within the amulet, and after that yes, she did essence transfer to another body.
But honest to goodness, without Hawke meddling and severe retcons to what Flemeth had been documented doing at the time, she would have stayed dead after the Warden killed her.
So Andraste tier no.
More likely senior enchanter level with a few neat tricks.
Pfft, people overhype characters i get, but come on, transforming into a dragon and being able to use a documented bit of spell craft don't make you a world ender or deity.
Even gods die in Dragon Age, as that's what Arch Demons are, tainted gods. Flemeth is one level below an old god and similar in power to Corypheus and The Architect.
Good luck finding them all... and killing them all. Short of someone privy to her ways, like Morrigan, pulling an Order 66 Flemeth is immortal.
Flemeth may be an Old God.
Flemeth may be an Abomination as Morrigan states.
Flemeth may also just be a very-very old witch.
Well I don't trust the level system to be a good representation because hawke has a higher level cap. And hawke might have been able to do it the same but he wasn't there. I like to compare the number of high dragons they kill to determine whose better. Hawke has the one in the mines. The warden has the one at the urn, the two in awakening, and flemeth if you count her.
Edit and the arch demon even though that is not actually a high dragon
By that logic, all makes the Warden is a particularly efficient Dragonslayer.
Which puts the Warden on roughly the same tier as someone like Cassandra, who in Dawn of the Seeker, slays two dragons, cripples a third and rams it into a fourth, causing the latter two to slam into the Temple and either kills them outright or knocks them out long enough for the ground forces to finish them off.
Damn I knew she killed a dragon but I didn't know that! Can't wait to romance her now! And that makes her more powerful then hawke alsoBy that logic, all makes the Warden is a particularly efficient Dragonslayer.
Which puts the Warden on roughly the same tier as someone like Cassandra, who in Dawn of the Seeker, slays two dragons, cripples a third and rams it into a fourth, causing the latter two to slam into the Temple and either kills them outright or knocks them out long enough for the ground forces to finish them off.
Everyone wants the Warden to be able to punch the Maker in the nuts and laugh it off.
They don't like accepting the Warden could get knifed in a bar brawl.
That would imply they aren't....perfect.
Damn I knew she killed a dragon but I didn't know that! Can't wait to romance her now! And that makes her more powerful then hawke also
Cass does come across as being ridiculously awesome in the Dawn of the Seeker film, I have to wonder if Varric isn't the person who wrote the story. She jumps off of a high rise and onto the back of a moving dragon to take it down, before jumping back off and onto another high platform... twice.
Most of TOR's heroes are more powerful than the Warden. Reven as well. Probably the Bhaalspawn and the Spirit Monk on top of that.
BioWare got rid of the Warden for the same reason they got rid of Hawke: they didn't want players to constantly complain about prior PCs not showing up and fixing things. Before DA II came out, there were hundreds of post where people complained about the Warden not showing up in Kirkwall and fixing... whatever. Or the story not being about the Darkspawn even after the Blight was finished.
BioWare is going to have a new hero for every game, which means they need to shuffle off the old one.
While true, they just need to get better at telling how/why/what happened to the old hero instead of he/she disappeared and no one knows how/why/what happened.
Everyone wants the Warden to be able to punch the Maker in the nuts and laugh it off.
They don't like accepting the Warden could get knifed in a bar brawl.
That would imply they aren't....perfect.
Well if the warden or hawke would die in just bar brawl pretty much hardly they could face enemies on such levels.
Well if the warden or hawke would die in just bar brawl pretty much hardly they could face enemies on such levels.
Every man has blind spots. Getting knifed from behind can happen to the best of us.
Well I can tell you one thing my Warden is more powerful than my Hawke here are the key points.
My Surana's Specializations:
1.Arcane Warrior
2.Blood Mage
3.Spirit Healer
4.Battle Mage
My Hawke's Specializations :
1.Force Mage
2.Spirit Healer
And our Inquisitors can have only 1 Specialization so I figue The Warden FTW.
Every man has blind spots. Getting knifed from behind can happen to the best of us.
Yep but if warden was such goof or any of our companions pretty much they would die just killed by shriek or assassin long time before reaching goal.
Yep but if warden was such goof or any of our companions pretty much they would die just killed by shriek or assassin long time before reaching goal.
Being knifed while your back Is turned is hardly being a goof. It's being human. You can't keep everything under control alone.
Being knifed while your back Is turned is hardly being a goof. It's being human. You can't keep everything under control alone.
As i said if simple if all you need is to take warden or hawke from behind they would be dead if games were basing on realism pretty much entire our party including protagonist were dead before half of the game thus we can't rly tell that they are normal human if they go against army solo or in 4 and win.
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