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[Icefalcon]

Too powerful to exist. No, a lot of other posters have made very valid points about both the Warden and Hawke's potential mortality.

 

Too powerful for a sequel, now we're closer to the mark perhaps.

 

The reason both previous PC's are relegated to guest spots, if anything at all is because Dragon Age is built around the concept of you come from somewhere obscure and grow into the hero you are destined. If you are already 25th level and have all your cool toys and specialisations what's left to do, and how big would every encounter have to be to challenge you. Equally if you then pick up a farm boy follower of level one what would his chances of being any use whatsoever in such dangerous company. 

[Muspade]

As i said if simple if all you need is to take warden or hawke from behind they would be dead if games were basing on realism pretty much entire our party including protagonist were dead before half of the game thus we can't rly tell that they are normal human if they go against army solo or in 4 and win.

 

Speculating upon super human heritage is merely speculation.

 

Malcolm Hawke was human and so was Hawke, them being unnaturally skilled in killing and survival is something several people over the decades have managed. Garahel, to mention one.

And no, the protagonist wouldn't have died instantly in the game because his companions were with him/her on every mission. Being alone in a bar brawl is dangerous, even for the Hero of Ferelden but you can choose to believe they are both the son's of Krypton, if you wish.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Speculating upon super human heritage is merely speculation.

 

Malcolm Hawke was human and so was Hawke, them being unnaturally skilled in killing and survival is something several people over the decades have managed. Garahel, to mention one.

And no, the protagonist wouldn't have died instantly in the game because his companions were with him/her on every mission. Being alone in a bar brawl is dangerous, even for the Hero of Ferelden but you can choose to believe they are both the son's of Krypton, if you wish.

My warden killed entire fort with soldiers solo could normal human do that? Doubt that pretty much protagonists and companions do things much more than normal human could do hell entire tower of templars was prepared for 2 abomnations max but warden went there with 4 peoples (or alone) and solved problem.As i said we can't rly talk about realism in such fiction.

 

Well companions are optional so well... 

[Muspade]

My warden killed entire fort with soldiers solo could normal human do that? Doubt that pretty much protagonists and companions do things much more than normal human could do hell entire tower of templars was prepared for 2 abomnations max but warden went there with 4 peoples (or alone) and solved problem.As i said we can't rly talk about realism in such fiction.

 

Well companions are optional so well... 

 

The warden being able to kill an entirety Fort of soldiers alone is never going to make it into any canon except your headcanon.

You can talk about realism in fiction, as even fiction as segments of realism which grounds their worlds. A knife in the head kills you. That's realism for you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The warden being able to kill an entirety Fort of soldiers alone is never going to make it into any canon except your headcanon.

You can talk about realism in fiction, as even fiction as segments of realism which grounds their worlds. A knife in the head kills you. That's realism for you.

Rly my headcanon that is your defence? Because well that is what my warden did but well lets defence with headcanon when we can't make argument. 

 

Of course it have but as i said companions or protagonist and some characters simple are above normal human level prety much as i said when entire tower of templars couldn't handle more than 2 abomnations and our party does.Power of fiction nothing more.  

[Muspade]

Rly my headcanon that is your defence? Because well that is what my warden did but well lets defence with headcanon when we can't make argument. 

 

Of course it have but as i said companions or protagonist and some characters simple are above normal human level prety much as i said when entire tower of templars couldn't handle more than 2 abomnations and our party does.Power of fiction nothing more.  

You know that thing the dragon does when it picks you up, bites you, tosses you up in the air and bites you again? Yeah, your hero of Ferelden, Alistair, Aveline and Hawke would definitely die. So yes, me claiming your headcanon not making it into canon is totally valid. Gameplay mechanics, man.

 

They are better at killing things. They are still human + teamwork. A knife to the head kills you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You know that thing the dragon does when it picks you up, bites you, tosses you up in the air and bites you again? Yeah, your hero of Ferelden, Alistair, Aveline and Hawke would definitely die. So yes, me claiming your headcanon not making it into canon is totally valid. Gameplay mechanics, man.

 

They are better at killing things. They are still human + teamwork. A knife to the head kills you.

I think you don't understand gameplay mechanic yes game fights are game mechanic but that you fought zevran and defated him aren't.Possible part of the story is getting captured by cauthrien and you can whipe out entire fort solo sorry but it simple isn't headcanon not more than any other fight same as with dragon the warden still fought dragon.

 

As i said you don't have to use team...

[Muspade]

I think you don't understand gameplay mechanic yes game fights are game mechanic but that you fought zevran and defated him aren't.Possible part of the story is getting captured by cauthrien and you can whipe out entire fort solo sorry but it simple isn't headcanon not more than any other fight same as with dragon the warden still fought dragon.

 

As i said you don't have to use team...

 

Gameplay mechanics, son.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Gameplay mechanics, son.

By your logic the warden never killed high dragon because he fougt in gameplay but you are right this is pointless

[Muspade]

By your logic the warden never killed high dragon because he fougt in gameplay but you are right this is pointless

He killed it. He never got picked up and bitten though.

[TheKomandorShepard]

He killed it. He never got picked up and bitten though.

Yes and that is gameplay did i argued that he was?

[Muspade]

Yes and that is gameplay did i argued that he was?

You argue your warden could solo an entire fort. I disagree.

I am done though.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You argue your warden could solo an entire fort. I disagree.

I am done though.

Because he can and what have dragon bite to another?

He can got captured alone and can kill everyone in it alone...

[Willowhugger]

My warden killed entire fort with soldiers solo could normal human do that?

 

Obviously, because your Warden did it.

 

We get proof positive of how this sort of thing works with the "Magic Hawke Stabbing Knife." Anders has done everything Hawke has done, potentially, and was also a companion of the Warden.

Varric confirms he's a killer on par with Simo Hayo.

 

However, you can kill him with an itty bitty normal knife.

 

That's because, at the end of the day, our heroes are only human/dwarven/elven.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Obviously, because your Warden did it.

What was my point protagonists and main cast aren't rly normal humans they have abilities above them pretty much sure there isn't any normal human that can take fort of peoples solo.

 

So pretty much we have that

[Willowhugger]

What was my point protagonists and main cast aren't rly normal humans they have abilities above them pretty much sure there isn't any normal human that can take fort of peoples solo.

 

Well they can have magic and magic equipment but on a basic level, Health Potions and Lyrium aside, they are normal humans in-universe.

 

They are not secretly the Dragonborn.

 

Warden Amell is just an ordinary mage.

 

Derek (or whover) Cousland is just the son of Bryce Cousland and his wife. They have no mystical heritage or special abilities they don't learn. John McClane does improbable things in Die Hard but he's not "special" beyond this.

 

I don't think we're meant to think the world literally works under Dungeons and Dragons rules. You can't get stabbed 40 times and shrug it off because of hit points. That's a gameplay mechanic.

 

Otherwise, you would literally be able to be stabbed more times and live if you killed more things and that would say WEIRD things about the Maker.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well they can have magic and magic equipment but on a basic level, Health Potions and Lyrium aside, they are normal humans in-universe.

 

They are not secretly the Dragonborn.

 

Warden Amell is just an ordinary mage.

 

Derek (or whover) Cousland is just the son of Bryce Cousland and his wife. They have no mystical heritage or special abilities they don't learn. John McClane does improbable things in Die Hard but he's not "special" beyond this.

 

I don't think we're meant to think the world literally works under Dungeons and Dragons rules. You can't get stabbed 40 times and shrug it off because of hit points. That's a gameplay mechanic.

 

Otherwise, you would literally be able to be stabbed more times and live if you killed more things and that would say WEIRD things about the Maker.

you still don't get it...

they aren't normal humans they are protagonist and main cast in fiction as it is said even templars guys who are trained to fight mages were prepared for 2 abomnation max the warden can go there alone and kill abomnations including pride demon that cassandra couldn't even scratch same for mages including FE.

 

You may pick human dwarf or elf but you aren't normal human , dwarf or elf im not talking about dragonborn power simple of being pc that mostly makes you op and do task that are impossible for normal humans even simple if you kill 100+ humans makes you special.

 

For example pc never had to fear for things like being mage or templar as merril becoming abomnation despite simple she would be one long time ago.

[Muspade]

He refuses to get it.

Dropping it is the best option.

[Willowhugger]

you still don't get it...

they aren't normal humans they are protagonist and main cast in fiction as it is said even templars guys who are trained to fight mages were prepared for 2 abomnation max the warden can go there alone and kill abomnations including pride demon that cassandra couldn't even scratch same for mages including FE.

 

You may pick human dwarf or elf but you aren't normal human , dwarf or elf im not talking about dragonborn power simple of being pc that mostly makes you op and do task that are impossible for normal humans even simple if you kill 100+ humans makes you special.

 

For example pc never had to fear for things like being mage or templar as merril becoming abomnation despite simple she would be one long time ago.

 

I disagree because I'm entirely comfortable making them just that skilled.

Even so, yes, if the Warden and the Hawke show up as NPCs then the PCs should be able to beat them.

Because they're not protagonists anymore.

Which stinks really but is a cool thing to contemplate.

[TTTX]

you still don't get it...

they aren't normal humans they are protagonist and main cast in fiction as it is said even templars guys who are trained to fight mages were prepared for 2 abomnation max the warden can go there alone and kill abomnations including pride demon that cassandra couldn't even scratch same for mages including FE.

 

You may pick human dwarf or elf but you aren't normal human , dwarf or elf im not talking about dragonborn power simple of being pc that mostly makes you op and do task that are impossible for normal humans even simple if you kill 100+ humans makes you special.

 

For example pc never had to fear for things like being mage or templar as merril becoming abomnation despite simple she would be one long time ago.

That because the pc is immune until the plot demands otherwise.

[TheKomandorShepard]

He refuses to get it.

Dropping it is the best option.

Refuses to get what from what i renember all you did was confusing gameplay with story...

 

 

I disagree because I'm entirely comfortable making them just that skilled.

Even so, yes, if the Warden and the Hawke show up as NPCs then the PCs should be able to beat them.

Because they're not protagonists anymore.

Which stinks really but is a cool thing to contemplate.

What is pretty much my point PC are OP not just skilled because even most skilled normal person wouldn't simple slain entire fort or go trought tower of blood mages or abomnations.

[Willowhugger]

That because the pc is immune until the plot demands otherwise.

 

The PC isn't immune, though.

He can die.

 

No one thinks this, though.

Because no one likes to consider, "The Warden was killed by Hurlocks" as his canonical playthrough.

[Muspade]

Refuses to get what from what i renember all you did was confusing gameplay with story...

 

I could say the same to you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I could say the same to you.

Not rly you were trying confuse dragon that biting the warden was that part of gameplay fight with killing dragon in gameplay what was also was killing dragon in story.

[Muspade]

Not rly you were trying confuse dragon that biting the warden was that part of gameplay fight with killing dragon in gameplay what was also killing dragon in story.

 

Yes, really.