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[dantares83]

Hi all

 

Just want some updates on a list of retcons in DA Lore because it has been years since i last played the game. This is so i would not be confused when playing DAI. I preordered it after i saw Morrigan! LOL. Spent so much to preorder digital deluxe editions of DA2 and ME3 but was quite disappointed. Here's hoping that DAI would not be that.

 

Anyway, here are some that I remember:

 

1) Leliana would not die even if u had chopped off her head. She is a living saint.

2) Wynne somehow can magically appear in DA: Asunder no matter what even if u killed her in DAO.

3) Anders' dead body is a decoy and he is actually bisexual although in DA:A, he appears to be as straight as any straight guy can be.

4) Everything u had heard about Cullen are rumours. PS: I can totally get it for that 'running wild and becoming crazy' but not the demoted from knight commander to knight captain thingy.

 

any more?

[Willowhugger]

1:] Leliana died in a place with magical healing properties.

 

2:] Asunder is in the Gaiderverse, which is not the Dragon Age universe. It's HIS playthrough, so to speak.

 

3:] Bisexual men can be uncomfortable proclaiming their past homosexual relationships. I know I certainly wasn't asking him about the men he'd slept with. Likewise, Justice could be the one who restored him to life given that's been seen before with Wynne.

 

4:] Even if Cullen did kill three mages, Meredith is the perfect place for him.

[wcholcombe]

1) Magic

2) The events of the books follow a specific arc. If your events don't concure with it, then suffice to say events in your world occurred differently.

3) Don't care. Maybe Anders was in denial.

4) Don't even know what this refers to.

[Willowhugger]

Another possibility is that Karl was Anders' only bisexual experience.

The thing about sexuality is you can be bisexual with dozens of female relationships and only one male one.

Maybe Anders thought Karl was the only guy he'd ever be with.

 

It happens.

[Steelcan]

The Boons given out at the end of DA:O, namely the Free the Circle and the Dalish land grant, not sure about the others

[Willowhugger]

Leliana wasn't healed by the Maker or the Ashes. She is a Rogue. One of the Rogue abilities is to feign death. She is not that important.

As the Herald of Andraste, I'm quite content to say that the Maker considers hot redheaded rogues with sexy accents more important than Arl Eamon.

[Br3admax]

 

 

1) Leliana would not die even if u had chopped off her head. She is a living saint.

2) Wynne somehow can magically appear in DA: Asunder no matter what even if u killed her in DAO.

3) Anders' dead body is a decoy and he is actually bisexual although in DA:A, he appears to be as straight as any straight guy can be.

4) Everything u had heard about Cullen are rumours. PS: I can totally get it for that 'running wild and becoming crazy' but not the demoted from knight commander to knight captain thingy.

 

any more?

1. Finishing moves are a part of gameplay, not story. 

2. Asunder is a part of the BioWare story.

3. Karl was the first man Anders had ever been with. He probably wouldn't admit it before that. 

4. Wat? 

[Solaria]

The Dalish and Mage boon

[Br3admax]

The Boons given out at the end of DA:O, namely the Free the Circle and the Dalish land grant, not sure about the others

Those still happened. 

[Steelcan]

Those still happened. 

but not as how they are portrayed in the epilogue slides

[riverbanks]

<snip>

 

1) Gameplay x storytelling separation. Beheading was a critical hit death move, it doesn't mean the game tracks in some hidden arcane save flag that you specifically cut her head off. It's a combat animation. That's all it is. You did not actually behead her. You thought you killed her, she used the ashes, she's alive, it's time to get over this.

 

2) Adaptative canon. If Wynne died in your game, the main events of Asunder still happened, the minor subplots happened differently.

 

3) Anders hits on Nathaniel in Awakening, he was always bisexual, it's also time to get over this. Using a decoy to escape is such an Anders thing to do if you pay attention to his characterization too, I don't know why anyone is suprised. He outright tells you in conversation that he doesn't like rules and structure and might escape your organization too eventually, if you ask him.

 

4) All the epilogue slides are wildly inconsistent and have been handwaved as rumors, the fixation on Cullen's specifically is baffling. Cullen is not special for having his slides retconned, his fates were as handwaved as Alistair's, your Warden's, Bella the irrelevant barmaid from Redcliffe's, etc.

[dantares83]

No4) In the epilogue for DAO, Cullen can be Knight-Commander or gone completely mad depending whether u saved the Circle or not. So I read that all these are actually rumours. It is weird that having promoted to knight-commander (if u eliminated the mages), Cullen would have to be demoted to knight-captain in DA2. I mean how can a promotion in Ferelden be a rumour???? Everyone knows who is the knight-commander. it cannot be just a rumour. The 'running away and becoming crazy' though can be because he was sent to Kirkwal and people just making up stories about his disapperance. but not a promotion.

 

Anyway, does Anders filrt with both female/male wardens in DA:A?

[Br3admax]

but not as how they are portrayed in the epilogue slides

Hopefully because someone competent told us no for once and took back the original decision. 

[Br3admax]

No4) In the epilogue for DAO, Cullen can be Knight-Commander or gone completely mad depending whether u saved the Circle or not. So I read that all these are actually rumours. It is weird that having promoted to knight-commander (if u eliminated the mages), Cullen would have to be demoted to knight-captain in DA2. I mean how come a promotion in Felderan be a rumour????

 

Anyway, does Anders filrt with both female/male wardens in DA:A?

Meredith isn't going to give up her position to some random Ferelden.  

[Steelcan]

oh don't act like the slides in Awakening were knowingly going to be retconned

 

Anders was dead until BioWare wanted him back from the dead and so RETCON

[dantares83]

 

2) Adaptative canon. If Wynne died in your game, the main events of Asunder still happened, the minor subplots happened differently.

 

so if Wynne died in your playthrough, the whole Asunder thing is fake? I thought Wynne played quite a big role in the book. Her being the mother of the Templar guy or something. And this is supposed to be continued on. I mean Cole is going to appear and be a companion! so of course this book is canon and part of the storyline.

[Br3admax]

Lulz, a real retcon is Anders and Justice both being a part of the Wardens no matter what choice you make. 

[riverbanks]

so if Wynne died in your playthrough, the whole Asunder thing is fake? I thought Wynne played quite a big role in the book. Her being the mother of the Templar guy or something. And this is supposed to be continued on. I mean Cole is going to appear and be a companion! so of course this book is canon and part of the storyline.

 

Adapt the story to fit your canon. If Wynne is dead, the Divine sends another mage instead of her. There are no heartfelt conversations or heated arguments with Rhys, there is no abomination argument, Evangeline has a bad time. Maybe Shale's not there.

 

Every major event still happens (Pharamond, Fiona, the Circle, the Templars, etc); details on the hows and whys are different .

[Reaverwind]

Hi all

 

Just want some updates on a list of retcons in DA Lore because it has been years since i last played the game. This is so i would not be confused when playing DAI. I preordered it after i saw Morrigan! LOL. Spent so much to preorder digital deluxe editions of DA2 and ME3 but was quite disappointed. Here's hoping that DAI would not be that.

 

Anyway, here are some that I remember:

 

1) Leliana would not die even if u had chopped off her head. She is a living saint.

2) Wynne somehow can magically appear in DA: Asunder no matter what even if u killed her in DAO.

3) Anders' dead body is a decoy and he is actually bisexual although in DA:A, he appears to be as straight as any straight guy can be.

4) Everything u had heard about Cullen are rumours. PS: I can totally get it for that 'running wild and becoming crazy' but not the demoted from knight commander to knight captain thingy.

 

any more?

 

1) Leliana surviving does raise some eyebrows, but I wouldn't consider combat finishers canon.

3) Yep, he's still a flake.

4) Yea, he's supposed to succeed Greagoir if the Circle is annulled, but I guess Bioware had other plans.

 

 

Lulz, a real retcon is Anders and Justice both being a part of the Wardens no matter what choice you make. 

 

 

Yep - I recruited them once, and never again. 

[Steelcan]

Adapt the story to fit your canon. If Wynne is dead, the Divine sends another mage instead of her. There are no heartfelt conversations or heated arguments with Rhys, there is no abomination argument, Evangeline has a bad time. Maybe Shale's not there.

 

Every major event still happens (Pharamond, Fiona, the Circle, the Templars, etc); details on the hows and whys are different .

indeed

 

 

sadly there isn't a universe out there where Adrian doesn't need to be given over to Ramsay Snow

[Hinjo]

1:] Leliana died in a place with magical healing properties.

About Leliana - she will attack you if you defile ashes, no? How could she use them to heal herself if they were destroyed?

Only possible option would be that she faked her death/a spirit possessed her.

[thats1evildude]

About Leliana - she will attack you if you defile ashes, no? How could she use them to heal herself if they were destroyed?
Only possible option would be that she faked her death/a spirit possessed her.

Whether you believe the Maker, a spirit or the lyrium node in the walls of the temple imbued the Ashes with their healing powers, the fact remains that the source of said power still exists and is unaffected by the defilement of the Ashes. That power is responsible for her resurrection.

[Sifr]

1a: As said before, Leliana was killed in a place with magical healing properties, so she was saved from death by either the magical healing of the Ashes or perhaps even the Guardian.

 

1b: A case of gameplay-and-story segregation. While you cut her head off in-game, storywise she could have only appeared mortally wounded and/or dead, so the Warden left without discovering she had survived. (She already survived a knife to the gut in Leliana's Song, after all).

 

1c: You can't defile the Ashes without taking a pinch of them first to cure Arl Eamon, so it's entirely within the realm of possibility that the magic of the uncorrupted Ashes kept her alive.

 

2. Asunder is part of the Bioware canon, not our canon. Although this does raise questions about Cole's presence in Inquisition, which probably will need to be addressed since without Wynne, how did the events of Asunder play out or did they even happen?

 

3a. It's explained that the body was another mage and too burnt to be identifiable, so when people assumed it was him, Anders took the chance to bail as he never really wanted to become a Warden anyway. With both the Wardens and the Templars thinking he was dead, he could now live as a free man.

 

3b: He explicitly refers to Karl as the first man he'd been sexually involved with. Keep in mind that some people spend years as heterosexual before discovering they are either gay or bisexual, so this is not exactly uncommon. It is also possible to be bisexual and still have a preference for one gender over the other.

 

4a: Cullen lampshades in DA2 that the Templar recruits and the Circle Mages tend to gossip "more than a weaving circle". Since we know that the Templars rarely tell the Mages anything, no wonder they began to come up with their own explanations for him leaving, rather than just being transferred to Kirkwall.

 

4b: Cullen was a Knight-Lieutenant in Origins and was promoted to Knight-Captain in DA2. He was never a Knight-Commander, in the first game that was Greagoir.