Leliana: take your pick Andrastes Ashes, the Maker, A Fade spirit (Faith?), the huge lyrium deposit under the Temple (Ogren remarks he thinks the deposit has more to do with the healing properties of the Ashes, than the Ashes themselves)
Wynne: The spirit already inside her.
Anders was bisexual in Awakenings...he propositioned Ogren when in a party banter.
Anders: Spirit of Justice or he was in your group saving Amaranthine.
1.Leliana death.
2.Anders is grey warden no matter what we did and always meets justice.
3.Magi and dalish boons.
4.attempt to hide existence of urn.
5.Many epilogues as they are painted as rumors only.
1.Leliana death.
2.Anders is grey warden no matter what we did and always meets justice.
3.Magi and dalish boons.
4.attempt to hide existence of urn.
5.Many epilogues as they are painted as rumors only.
what is this magi and dalish boons?
what is this magi and dalish boons?
Anders was bisexual in Awakenings...he propositioned Ogren when in a party banter.
Did he? 
I don't remember seeing this and I've also not played with the both of them together much. Can you link or paste the banter? I'm very curious. As far as I remember that one banter with Nate is what stood out to me as evidence to his bisexual leanings, everything else was far too ambiguous even if it could be interpreted that way.
what is this magi and dalish boons?
In the end of dao you can ask king for 1 thing depending on your origin you can ask for 1 extra thing for example in mage case circle independence.
Everything I've seen in Dragon Dge suggests that adding blood, especially dragon blood, to something makes it more powerful.
I have no problem with an apparently dead character being later revealed as alive. But there is no doubt to me that this happens far too often in the series.
Leliana and Oghren both appear in later games after being ostensibly killed by the Warden. Flemeth (and arguably Morrigan) too, even if her original 'death' was unconvincing. Anders and Isolde can both be described as dead in ending slides only to reappear later on in the series. On top of that you have Wynne and Cole being deliberately written from the off as characters brought back to life by spirits. Then there are the bugs, like Zevran and Connor (who Arl Eamon says is alive even if he was killed).
Each of these on its own is fine, there are just too many of them.
It's 2014 and people still don't have a clue what a retcon is...
what is this magi and dalish boons?
At the end of Origins, your Warden (from the Circle or Dalish background) can ask for the Circle of Ferelden to be given it's autonomy, or for the Dalish to be given their own homeland - in the former, Queen Anora or King Alistair will order Knight-Commander Greagoir to allow the mages to govern themselves if the Hero of Ferelden committed the ultimate sacrifice, and in the latter, the new ruler will give the Hinterlands to the Dalish as their own sovereign land, up to and including the ruins of Ostagar.
Origins had multiple Epilogue outcomes for both of these Boons, and all these outcomes were rectonned.
so if Wynne died in your playthrough, the whole Asunder thing is fake? I thought Wynne played quite a big role in the book. Her being the mother of the Templar guy or something. And this is supposed to be continued on. I mean Cole is going to appear and be a companion! so of course this book is canon and part of the storyline.
I don't get your point. Wynne's presence in Asunder is not determinal to Cole's fate. The conclave of mages could have happened, anyway.
At the end of Origins, your Warden (from the Circle or Dalish background) can ask for the Circle of Ferelden to be given it's autonomy, or for the Dalish to be given their own homeland - in the former, Queen Anora or King Alistair will order Knight-Commander Greagoir to allow the mages to govern themselves if the Hero of Ferelden committed the ultimate sacrifice, and in the latter, the new ruler will give the Hinterlands to the Dalish as their own sovereign land, up to and including the ruins of Ostagar.
Origins had multiple Epilogue outcomes for both of these Boons, and all these outcomes were rectonned.
To be fair, both the Epilogues are pretty horrible aren't they?
"Cullen becomes a serial killer."
and
"The Dalish move there only for humans to get furious at them."
To be fair, both the Epilogues are pretty horrible aren't they?
"Cullen becomes a serial killer."
and
"The Dalish move there only for humans to get furious at them."
There's also Dagna's research not leading to the creation of an independent Circle of Orzammar since the Circle of Ferelden was already made independent, but I didn't see Cullen losing his mind over the emancipation of the Circle of Magi as being "pretty horrible"; it's dark, certainly, but I think the existence of an autonomous Circle outweighs it.
As for the Dalish occupying their own land, Keeper Lanaya is able to keep the peace between the Dalish and their human neighbors outside of the Dalish Hinterlands, and she's a respected figure at the Ferelden court; that seems pretty positive to me, and I'm sorry players who chose the Dalish Boon will have their choice handwaved in Inquisition.
Hi all
Just want some updates on a list of retcons in DA Lore because it has been years since i last played the game. This is so i would not be confused when playing DAI. I preordered it after i saw Morrigan! LOL. Spent so much to preorder digital deluxe editions of DA2 and ME3 but was quite disappointed. Here's hoping that DAI would not be that.
Anyway, here are some that I remember:
1) Leliana would not die even if u had chopped off her head. She is a living saint.
2) Wynne somehow can magically appear in DA: Asunder no matter what even if u killed her in DAO.
3) Anders' dead body is a decoy and he is actually bisexual although in DA:A, he appears to be as straight as any straight guy can be.
4) Everything u had heard about Cullen are rumours. PS: I can totally get it for that 'running wild and becoming crazy' but not the demoted from knight commander to knight captain thingy.
any more?
1. the Head chopping thing was a random combat animation. I myself never got it when i played the evil character and had Leliana there to 'kill' so stop being a baby about it.
1. the Head chopping thing was a random combat animation. I myself never got it when i played the evil character and had Leliana there to 'kill' so stop being a baby about it.
I think Dantares simply meant that Leliana comes back from the dead even when the Warden has killed her, which is reflected in her codex entry and the game code that reads she was killed by the player; the retroactive continuity of her resurrection is supposed to be explained (according to the developers), but it's still an alteration of the previously established outcome of her demise for those players who chose to kill her.
*thinks about this**opens up her computer case and pours dragon blood on the innards*
Hi all
Just want some updates on a list of retcons in DA Lore because it has been years since i last played the game. This is so i would not be confused when playing DAI. I preordered it after i saw Morrigan! LOL. Spent so much to preorder digital deluxe editions of DA2 and ME3 but was quite disappointed. Here's hoping that DAI would not be that.
Anyway, here are some that I remember:
1) Leliana would not die even if u had chopped off her head. She is a living saint.
2) Wynne somehow can magically appear in DA: Asunder no matter what even if u killed her in DAO.
3) Anders' dead body is a decoy and he is actually bisexual although in DA:A, he appears to be as straight as any straight guy can be.
4) Everything u had heard about Cullen are rumours. PS: I can totally get it for that 'running wild and becoming crazy' but not the demoted from knight commander to knight captain thingy.
any more?
5. Fiona is Alistair's mother. It will be mentioned in DAI but here you have it.
6. Anders DA2 "short story" explaining the joining with Justice - for both of them goes against DAA finale.
P.S. Would not suggest to argue here about any of this - very true! - points. DA Universe is BW universe. It will change from game to game with some retcons unnoticed by developers (those they DO notice they more or less rectify). And no matter how horrible would be those retcones you will see lot's of people fiercely fighting for them as "it was obviously there all the time".
In all respect to Bioware Canon, but...
So far list of retcons character-wise:
1. Leliana - whatever player choose, she lives
2. Wynne - whatever player choose, she lives
3. Anders - whatever player choose, he lives and become new host for Justice
4. Justice - whatever player choose, he lives and join with Anders
5. Cullen - whatever player choose, he become Knight-Captain and very sane in anyway
6. Fiona - regardless of any previous "word of God"/lore, she is now mother of Alistair
List of retcons epilogue-wise:
1. DA:O - Mage Boon
2. DA:O - Dalish Boon
Missing anything?
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they aren't retcons but more like you can't use your brain for a second to think about them
very obvious that you just wanted people to go with your negativity glad that they already proved that you are wrong
1. chopping Leliana's head off isn't canon dude its gameplay
you can even chop of Zevrans head but then suddenly after the fight he is still living
2. the events in Asunder are canon BUT who is involved isn't Wynne stays dead just like Alistair (in the comics)
but thats basically Bioware's own canon
3. I always thought Anders was bisexual "as straight as someone can be" how do you know that?
Maybe he just preferred women but with Karl and later Hawke he also liked men
he doesn't have to shout at the player and say I'M BISEXUAL
4. the epilogue slides in general are just rumors thats why I'm hoping they won't include them in DA:I
very unnecessary
so if Wynne died in your playthrough, the whole Asunder thing is fake? I thought Wynne played quite a big role in the book. Her being the mother of the Templar guy or something. And this is supposed to be continued on. I mean Cole is going to appear and be a companion! so of course this book is canon and part of the storyline.
Books are set in a so-called "Bioware canon", meaning they happened with a set of specific events (for example, in that canon Alistair is the king). If your playthrough had different choices made, then those events simply didn't occur or were very different from what happened in the book.
Who ever said the Maker was an old man? He's only ever been depicted as a cloaked figure.
In DA2's he's depicted as man in extravagant armor wielding a sword. Big statue of him in the Chantry.
I thought that is Andraste in her armor?
Hint of bosom, dress armor, no?
That is indeed Andraste.
The Chantry doesn't generally depict the Maker.
While I do think a tighter narrative could prevent some of these events - most retcons don't bother me because I'm simply not invested in any one single event in a play through.
My Hawke wouldn't know my Warden killed Leliana - so there would naturally be no reaction to her surviving in DA:2.
I just headcanon it to: "Leliana lay dying on floor as the party walked out. She clawed at the ground pulling herself ever closer to the Urn. The warm lyrium glow of the surrounding room bathed her as she reached toward the Urn. 'Maker, give me strength.' She passed out only moments later in a growing pool of her own blood."
Blah blah - Leliana is resurrected.
I am glad that sometimes my decisions are overridden... the idea that one man can just handwave a Dalish nation or an unprecidented event in the thousand years of Circle history is - for me - childish pandering to the audience anyway. I'd actually prefer those Boons to be crushed instead of ignored - but either way, it hardly matters to me.
Oghren is a big retcon that I understand for both gameplay and in-story reasons but still bugs me.
Everything is working out with him and he's sobered up.
Then BOOM, deadbeat dad.
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