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[BobZilla84]

The thing to try and remember about the Mage/Dalish Boons are they are a game changers "literally".And Retconns will always happen especially if the writers needs it to further their story.

[LobselVith8]

Okay, Cullen going nuts isn't any way a statement about the Circle's autonomy other than he likes it. We don't have anyone else reacting to it like the Mages, Templars, or the rest of Thedas.

As for that, are we sure that's not a bug?

 

Both epilogue slides are flagged to show up when your Warden asked for the Magi Boon, which is bugged for King Alistair in the vanilla version and is only properly flagged if Queen Anora grants it (whether or not she's married to King Alistair).

[DarkKnightHolmes]

The Dalish and Mage boon were my biggest pet peeve. I can understand the mage one being rejected because Chantry and stuff but I was disappointed they got rid of the dalish boon just so they could come back as incompetent morons in DA2.

[StrangeStrategy]

Hi all

 

Just want some updates on a list of retcons in DA Lore because it has been years since i last played the game. This is so i would not be confused when playing DAI. I preordered it after i saw Morrigan! LOL. Spent so much to preorder digital deluxe editions of DA2 and ME3 but was quite disappointed. Here's hoping that DAI would not be that.

 

Anyway, here are some that I remember:

 

1) Leliana would not die even if u had chopped off her head. She is a living saint.

2) Wynne somehow can magically appear in DA: Asunder no matter what even if u killed her in DAO.

3) Anders' dead body is a decoy and he is actually bisexual although in DA:A, he appears to be as straight as any straight guy can be.

4) Everything u had heard about Cullen are rumours. PS: I can totally get it for that 'running wild and becoming crazy' but not the demoted from knight commander to knight captain thingy.

 

any more?

I'm sure others have already said this but:
1) Leliana DID die. She just got resurrected apparently. In other words, you didn't actually kill her. Just like how you didn't truly kill Flemeth. I doubt a piece of Leliana was resurrected by some Dalish Ritual, but you get the point. Hopefully.

2) That book isn't your cannon. It David Gaider's cannon, Wynne didn't die during DAO.

3) What do you mean his body is a decoy? Also, Anders never came out and said "Hey, I'm straight!" or "Hey, I'm bi!" during DAA, so it isn't a retcon.

4) I don't know my Cullen lore.
 

[dantares83]

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5. Fiona is Alistair's mother. It will be mentioned in DAI but here you have it.

6. Anders DA2 "short story" explaining the joining with Justice - for both of them goes against DAA finale.  

 

P.S. Would not suggest to argue here about any of this - very true! - points. DA Universe is BW universe. It will change from game to game with some retcons unnoticed by developers (those they DO notice they more or less rectify). And no matter how horrible would be those retcones you will see lot's of people fiercely fighting for them as "it was obviously there all the time".  

 

 

 

i dont understand this Fiona's being Alistair's mum being a retcon? where did it say she is not. it is established that Alistair's mum is a maid is just a lie. That is easy to explain unlike some....

 

e.g. those that i mentioned and the boons (i totally forgotten about them!)

[Icy Magebane]

i dont understand this Fiona's being Alistair's mum being a retcon? where did it say she is not. it is established that Alistair's mum is a maid is just a lie. That is easy to explain unlike some....

 

e.g. those that i mentioned and the boons (i totally forgotten about them!)

Well, before the Calling was published, all we had to go by was Alistair's story, which seemed pretty solid IMO... but people have also said that they never believed that Goldanna was Alistair's sister and that his "mother's" locket wasn't legit... so whether or not that entire plotline from DA:O was an elaborate lie cooked up by Maric and Eamon has been debated.  Based on that person's post, apparently some still have doubts.

[BobZilla84]

The Dalish and Mage boon were my biggest pet peeve. I can understand the mage one being rejected because Chantry and stuff but I was disappointed they got rid of the dalish boon just so they could come back as incompetent morons in DA2.

Its all story related I mean if the boons had been used the Wardens Clan wouldnt have been in Kirkwall they would have been in the Hinterlands as would all the Dalish Clans which means the Dalish would have no reason to fight the Humans or join any Elven Uprising. 

 

Like I said it was story related.

[Reptillius]

I got to say. I played the games in order and I wasn't surprised to find out that Ander's was Bi.

 

He had a teasing and somewhat flirtatious tone most of the time and it came out a lot with Nathaniel(a pair I played regularly) and came out in small pieces in part to tease with Oghren( A pair rarely played by anybody it seems).

 

But when your comparisons for flirting... Specially on a bisexual level consist mainly of Zevran. who hit on pretty much anything, Including the ability to turn things into a threesome (or supposedly a foresome) with Isabella when learning the duelist specialization, or a drunken Oghren who doesn't know what he's hitting on once he's completely plastered and I'm surprised didn't have a banter line about waking up with a very confused nug in his bed...

 

It's easy to assume he was straight.  Doesn't mean he necessarily came off that way in an unbiased fashion.

[Amirit]

i dont understand this Fiona's being Alistair's mum being a retcon? where did it say she is not. it is established that Alistair's mum is a maid is just a lie. That is easy to explain unlike some....

 

It was not "established" anywhere. In DAO everything was pointing to human origin. MORE then that - for a long, long time developers were swearing on their mother's graves that Fiona is not Alistair's mother. But one day they found the idea more interesting and we can forget all "nonsense" of DAO.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Dalish boon was not retconned... There is a story reason for as to why it did not work out.

[BobZilla84]

The Dalish boon was not retconned... There is a story reason for as to why it did not work out.

Really what was it exactly I dont remember anything being mentioned about why it didnt work can you tell me where and when it was mentioned?

[Willowhugger]

Bluntly, Alistair is more interesting as a character born from a common dalliance with a maid than being the son of Morgana Le Fey and King Arthur.

 

Now it's more like Oblivion.

Alistair is Martin and you're the Champion of Cyrodiil.

We're playing the sidekick to the legendary mythical hero.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Really what was it exactly I dont remember anything being mentioned about why it didnt work can you tell me where and when it was mentioned?

We don't know the reason. All we know is that if you got the boon, imported it to DA2 and had Merrill along with you in Act III when you talk to Alistair, Merrill will ask about it, and Alistair will apologize that it didn't work out, and that he will try to make it up to her people.

[BobZilla84]

We don't know the reason. All we know is that if you got the boon, imported it to DA2 and had Merrill along with you in Act III when you talk to Alistair, Merrill will ask about it, and Alistair will apologize that it didn't work out, and that he will try to make it up to her people.

Oh that is hardly Story that was Bioware killing the Boon off in the stupidest and cheapest way possable.The thing to remember their default WS is a female Dalish Elf that made the US so no Boon to worry about but for the people that chose the Dalish Boon they had to axe it because if the Dalish had a land they would be there and not in Kirkwall.

 

It was a brute force writing granted Dragon Age 2 was mirred with issues the squashing of player choices is never good especially in a Bioware game.

 

If I wanted an On Rail Rpg I would still be playing Final Fantasy or some other Square Enix Rpg but I want Rpgs that I can affect  the story which is why I play Bioware games or Bethesda games.

[Willowhugger]

If I had to guess I'd say the Landsmeet. The Hinterlands is divided between Redcliffe, the West Hills (Wulf), and Dragon's Peak (Bryland). My guess is they voted 'No' when Alistair proposed the land was to be gifted to the Dalish. 

I like to think the Dalish actually settled there but paranoia and tension with the locals caused it to become an epic ******** and they just left.

Either that or the Dalish didn't trust human-gifted land.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Oh that is hardly Story that was Bioware killing the Boon off in the stupidest and cheapest way possable.The thing to remember their default WS is a female Dalish Elf that made the US so no Boon to worry about but for the people that chose the Dalish Boon they had to axe it because if the Dalish had a land they would be there and not in Kirkwall.

 

It was a brute force writing granted Dragon Age 2 was mirred with issues the squashing of player choices is never good especially in a Bioware game.

 

If I wanted an On Rail Rpg I would still be playing Final Fantasy or some other Square Enix Rpg but I want Rpgs that I can affect  the story which is why I play Bioware games or Bethesda games.

It is still the story. It is NOT a retcon.

[Kantr]

The retcon would be saying the boon never happened.

[ShadowLordXII]

Bluntly, Alistair is more interesting as a character born from a common dalliance with a maid than being the son of Morgana Le Fey and King Arthur.

 

Now it's more like Oblivion.

Alistair is Martin and you're the Champion of Cyrodiil.

We're playing the sidekick to the legendary mythical hero.

 

Or probably a deconstruction (intentional or not)

 

Alistair is actually more of a sidekick to the Warden. Whether or not Alistair comes to his "destined throne" depends on whether the Warden helps him get to that throne or has him killed off.

 

Possible Ending 1: Alistair stays a warden/becomes king, dies slaying the Archdemon, immortalized by history.

Possible Ending 2: Alistair becomes king/stays a warden, The Warden dies slaying the Archdemon, Alistair lives on and the Warden is immortalized by history.

Possible Ending 3: Alistair stays a warden, The Warden/Alistair takes the Dark Ritual, Alistair lives on and the Warden gets most of the glory (HN can even become king).

Possible Ending 4: Alistair becomes king, Warden/Alistair/Loghain takes the Dark Ritual, Alistair lives on and the Warden gets most of the glory.

Possible Ending 5: Alistair killed at Landsmeet. What more can be said here?

Possible Ending 6: Alistair exiled and becomes a drunkard, Loghain/The Warden kills the Archdemon and dies, Alistair largely forgotten and the Warden/Loghain is immortalized by history.

 

Most of the possible endings have "the chosen lost heir" actually either not become king or leaves his "destiny" unrealized.