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[Dale]

I’m getting a KICK of going ALL THE WAY BACK to the very first entry on this forum (around May 2012).  This one is from:  Neophyte sam     --   and reads as follows:

 

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Now..I don't normally make a forum post at all regarding..games...But i've just this moment finished mass effect 3. And, well, i've never been more infuriated over a game ending.

Choice 1: The galaxy as we know it is done for.
Choice 2: THe galaxy as we know it is done for.
Choice 3: The galaxy as we know it is done for.

The ending just made the entire process of doing everything possible to save everyone and preserve everything just seemed so damned pointless and made me feel like i'd wasted time. There is no "Real" choice there at the end, no consequence. The same thing seems to happen to everyone else regardless and Shepard just gets the short end of the stick.

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Anything changed since then?  (other than some EC goodies?).

 

Likely this has been said 100 times – but I’ll give it a stab anyway.   This is a guaranteed 100%   $$$ WIN-WIN situation $$$.   You can’t miss!   The naysayers will disagree but the marketing evidence cannot be so easily dismissed:  

 

Just make a DLC (at the beam) that will allow us to choose a DIFFERENT game ending -- intelligently & honorably (discussed in detail in other threads).   It is very likely those still active on the forum would buy it.   Heck, I’d pay you 50 credits for it  (from my Nigerian bank account).   It shouldn't take all that long to make.   I certainly don't expect to make EVERYBODY happy with this suggestion -- but perhaps 85% might be a good estimate (from what I've read in the last 5 months).

 

This will hold us over until ME4 comes out – and you might even reel in some of your “go to HELL!” former customers.  

 

Now – isn’t that a better business proposition with immediate benefits NOW and especially later?

[Tonymac]

I like the idea, but they likely won't go that route.  They flipped us off with 'artistic integrity' and I see no reason why they would not do so again.

 

In all honesty, I'd pay them $100.00 bucks American right now if they would do it.

[Coming0fShadows]

They would just make it even more of a mess if they did that. To fix it they would have to rewrite the entire game.

If they fixed just the ending that would be like putting sprinkles on poop, it might cover up some of it but it still is poop.

[Vazgen]

I'm interested in hearing about ideas on this different ending. The way I see it, if you will allow a different ending, it should use the Crucible (because you invalidate the whole game by removing it) and, therefore, Citadel shooting and destroying the Reapers (assuming you don't want Control or Synthesis in this new ending). How would you approach that, and stay different enough not to be viewed as another version of the same shitty ending?

 

Personally (prior to Leviathan), I would've removed the entire star child and choice scene. Anderson dies, you activate the Crucible, it fires, destroys the Reapers, some  EC-style cutscenes/images of squadmates and races, game over. They tried to give us choices in the ending but for me, the Reaper war can only end in two ways - our or their destruction. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

There was a 300 page thread asking for a non-canon paid DLC cutscene for 500 MS points or 500 BW points that had Shepard rescued after the breath scene because of the constant trolling by certain BW people saying that Shepard could be dead, and others saying Shepard could be alive. We wanted some closure that was all. Those of us who wanted closure were called whiners. Many received permanent bans.

 

Bottom line is that Bioware is done with Mass Effect 3. They will do nothing more with it. They said so when they came out with The Citadel DLC. It is done. So you can control the reapers, spread your essence out among the galaxy, or destroy all synthetic life.

 

The ending doesn't matter. You die, the relays were damaged, and the Normandy crashed. All the endings were virtually identical except for the color of the explosions on your screen.

 

If the next game is a sequel it will take place at a point after which Shepard would have died of old age. Everyone in the galaxy will have synthetic implants of some sort that allows them to communicate with their synthetic assistants, and allows their synthetic assistants to understand them. The mass relays will have been repaired. The civilizations will have been rebuild. The reapers will be gone. Your choice for the ending of ME3 will not matter. They will sweep the ending under the rug and pretend it never happened in the first place. The account of the end of the war in the codex will be so general and so confusing because everyone was confused. Some people saw a reaper die. Some people will say they saw a reaper disengage. But no one will really remember what happened right after the war. Everyone will have gotten on with their lives.

[Dale]

Bottom line is that Bioware is done with Mass Effect 3. They will do nothing more with it. They said so when they came out with The Citadel DLC. It is done.

That’s a sobering thought there Julia.

 

The door of contempt swings both ways.   In a socialist society, they can thumb their noses at us & there’s nothing we can do about it.   However in a capitalist society, we can just spend our money elsewhere.   Anybody that’s run a lemonade stand knows that is financial suicide.

 

We pay doctors for medical solutions, engineers for working blueprints, and gifted writers (that are more wonderful & wise than us) to fix problems like this.   Obviously, a re-write the story (from BWT) is not feasible, but we can expect a simple Band-Aid.     If this forum suddenly becomes permanently inoperative, perhaps the next paragraph might shed some light on it:

 

The hierarchy might think we’re just a bunch of griping kids on the forum – but the reality of their APATHY will eventually catch up with them – the HARD way.   They’re floating around in a euphoric soap bubble about to hit a blade of grass.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Dale, when they wrote the reaper invasion, they wrote themselves into a corner. They tried to do too much with the trilogy. There were essential characters that could have died in the Suicide Mission. Every time you have a choice that is left open it creates a problem. They should never have done the Suicide Mission in ME2. They should have saved that for ME3. ME2 should have had a vanilla ending. ME2 also never moved the plot along - it had no plot to speak of. It really was a stand alone story. So we got to ME3, and we got a mess. I raged about the ending.

 

An ME3 DLC at this point wouldn't be profitable. People have moved on.

[themikefest]

Dale, when they wrote the reaper invasion, they wrote themselves into a corner. They tried to do too much with the trilogy. There were essential characters that could have died in the Suicide Mission. Every time you have a choice that is left open it creates a problem. They should never have done the Suicide Mission in ME2. They should have saved that for ME3. ME2 should have had a vanilla ending. ME2 also never moved the plot along - it had no plot to speak of. It really was a stand alone story. So we got to ME3, and we got a mess. I raged about the ending.

 

An ME3 DLC at this point wouldn't be profitable. People have moved on.

I agree about them doing too much in the game with the amount of time they had. I would've made it into 2 games. ME3 is gathering allies and ME4 is fighting the reapers

[InWeirdPeril]

I like the idea, but they likely won't go that route.  They flipped us off with 'artistic integrity' and I see no reason why they would not do so again.

 

In all honesty, I'd pay them $100.00 bucks American right now if they would do it.

 

Seems like we have reached the bargaining stage. Only 2 more to go till the new game comes out.

 

Meh, screw that. Imma chip in with 100€!

[ImaginaryMatter]

I agree about them doing too much in the game with the amount of time they had. I would've made it into 2 games. ME3 is gathering allies and ME4 is fighting the reapers

 

Plus, they could have made more money!

 

I feel like part of the problem though was that the writers imposed upon themselves too much to handle. Cerberus did not have to be that big and unification didn't have to be tied around taking back Earth, plus some of the missions felt like pure filler.

[BioWareM0d13]

I'm interested in hearing about ideas on this different ending. The way I see it, if you will allow a different ending, it should use the Crucible (because you invalidate the whole game by removing it) and, therefore, Citadel shooting and destroying the Reapers (assuming you don't want Control or Synthesis in this new ending). How would you approach that, and stay different enough not to be viewed as another version of the same shitty ending?

 

Personally (prior to Leviathan), I would've removed the entire star child and choice scene. Anderson dies, you activate the Crucible, it fires, destroys the Reapers, some  EC-style cutscenes/images of squadmates and races, game over. They tried to give us choices in the ending but for me, the Reaper war can only end in two ways - our or their destruction. 

 

 

I also agree that the series should have just ended with the Reapers' destruction. That isn't to say that there couldn't be some variations in that ending, only that something like the Dragon Age: Origins finale would have been better and much more easily adapted to a sequel. In DA:O the archdemon always dies and the Blight is always defeated, and player choices instead impact companion character's fates or have some minor (but not completely world-altering) impact on factions.

 

I took a stab awhile back at writing a different ending involving the Crucible.  

 

TLDR warning

 

Short version: Final battle at the Citadel rather than Earth. Suicide Mission. Harbinger replaces the Catalyst at the finale. Boss fight. Crucible causes Widow to collapse and go supernova. Reapers vaporized. The end.

[Farangbaa]

Dale, dude. You gotta do something about your layout. I can't read your posts like this, them being riddled with unnecessary caps, italics, underscores, bolding... any of the previous combined. And now you've even added colours.

They give me headaches, and I've never completely read any of your posts.

This might just be me though

[SwobyJ]

Dale, dude. You gotta do something about your layout. I can't read your posts like this, them being riddled with unnecessary caps, italics, underscores, bolding... any of the previous combined. And now you've even added colours.

They give me headaches, and I've never completely read any of your posts.

This might just be me though

 

It isn't just you. Weird how some people type this way.

[themikefest]

Plus, they could have made more money!

 

I feel like part of the problem though was that the writers imposed upon themselves too much to handle. Cerberus did not have to be that big and unification didn't have to be tied around taking back Earth, plus some of the missions felt like pure filler.

Yep. With the limited time for development of the game, Casey had himself spread to thinly to keep track of everything so some things didn't get as much attention as others.

[DeinonSlayer]

Dale, the game came out what, two and a half? Three years ago? And they already released one ending DLC. We can ruminate all we want on what could have been done, but they aren't changing it again at this point. Time to move on.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 lol. Does anyone remember that one thread where the OP said he'd give BioWare his life savings (over $30k, iirc) if they'd give him a better ending?

 

 

Anyone who'd pay upwards of $25 for a new ending deserves to be ridiculed. Seriously, just write fanfic. It's free.

[Dale]

Dale, dude. You gotta do something about your layout. I can't read your posts like this, them being riddled with unnecessary caps, italics, underscores, bolding... any of the previous combined. And now you've even added colours.

They give me headaches, and I've never completely read any of your posts.

This might just be me though

Thanks for the heads up.  I usually start my replies & thoughts on a M/S word document -- and sometimes sleep on it  -- then later copy-paste.   I'll avoid that from now on.   Apologies.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Honestly, I would never bring myself to pay more money for ME 3. When an ending is that bad, I don't see the long-term benefit to encouraging more bad endings by making it more profitable to release a game with a bad ending.

 

Keep your money and move on, and do it again if the ending to ME 4 is terrible. Keep doing it. If many people do that, than EA will let the writers and artists make the game right, and let the game develop until it is done, and the odds of a good ending will improve.

 

Also, Santa will bring you presents if you're really good this year.

[Dale]

Time to move on.

Good advice.

Mid October I will leave the MEU behind & focus on some of the half-dozen Steam games I've bought & not played yet -- likely Skyrim.

[Dale]

Moderator:  I believe this thread (that I started) should have been listed under the SCUTTLEBUTT or SUGGESTIONS section.

 

Please move as you deem necessary.

 

Thank you.

[ZipZap2000]

2 and half years later. People are still having the ending debate. Which would normally be fine except for some reason people still want to have the 'new ending' debate. We tried, we won and lost and failed and succeeded all at the same time. Take back Mass Effect worked and it was fun ATT and sure not everyone got what they wanted and yes it still feels bad thinking about how they ended the saga but it's not going to change.

[Basher of Glory]

When I finished ME 3 the first time, I was literally motion- and speechless, sitting in front of my monitor and staring into the void for several minutes.

 

As a so called "early adopter" it was not long after the release when I was through the game, but nevertheless, not only the BIO-forums but the entire net nearly exploded due to the masses of posts.

 

I simply could not believe, what I have experienced with these endings of a trilogy, which was a major part of my "gaming life" for over five years.

 

Then I had a vision:

 

Perhaps some of you remember the TV-serial "Dallas" (1978 - 1991). Bobby Ewing died and stayed dead for a long time, just to come out of the shower in a new part. He just "dreamt" all the stuff of the past and the serial moved on.

 

In my vision a DLC (add-on, new standalone, whatever)  was released, we see Shep sleeping and wildly weltering in his / her bed, finally waking up and realizing, that it was only a dream. The story continues...

 

The sad thing about visions is, that some of them never come true.

[Farangbaa]

Thanks for the heads up.  I usually start my replies & thoughts on a M/S word document -- and sometimes sleep on it  -- then later copy-paste.   I'll avoid that from now on.   Apologies.

Man, you can't believe how nice it is to meet someone on the internet who just says 'sorry, you might be right' for a change.

Kudos to you.

[Farangbaa]

When I finished ME 3 the first time, I was literally motion- and speechless, sitting in front of my monitor and staring into the void for several minutes.
 
As a so called "early adopter" it was not long after the release when I was through the game, but nevertheless, not only the BIO-forums but the entire net nearly exploded due to the masses of posts.
 
I simply could not believe, what I have experienced with these endings of a trilogy, which was a major part of my "gaming life" for over five years.
 
Then I had a vision:
 
Perhaps some of you remember the TV-serial "Dallas" (1978 - 1991). Bobby Ewing died and stayed dead for a long time, just to come out of the shower in a new part. He just "dreamt" all the stuff of the past and the serial moved on.
 
In my vision a DLC (add-on, new standalone, whatever)  was released, we see Shep sleeping and wildly weltering in his / her bed, finally waking up and realizing, that it was only a dream. The story continues...
 
The sad thing about visions is, that some of them never come true.

What I don't udnerstand about this whole debate about the ending is that you simply can't seem to accept that sometimes things don't end the way you want. They end badly, or bittersweet, and well, that's just how it is. Not everything is fairytale, not everyone can be saved.

The whole demanding of a different ending is just beyond me.