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[ImaginaryMatter]

Because they try the hardest to convince you not to pick that option. Every synthetic out there will die, even you are partly synthetic... It also doesn't involve me dying (from their words). And I simply know that I neither want controlling them nor merging people with synthetics

 

Well if they don't want you to pick it then wouldn't the better option be not bringing it up? I doubt Shepard would start shooting at the thing without the Catalyst prompt given that shooting fuel lines is generally not the way to activate complex machinery.

[RatThing]

oh Akira, breathtaking, beautiful.

Did you know they first voiced the characters, then animated the mouth around the words?

 

No, first time I hear this. Interesting, though I guess it doesn't make much difference if you watch it in english (or german) like I did.

 

And yeah, Akira is absolutely awesome in so many ways. And I have the DVD now right beside me. Now if it weren't already so late .  (Also I have yet to read the comics).

[Farangbaa]

No, first time I hear this. Interesting, though I guess it doesn't make much difference if you watch it in english (or german) like I did.

 

And yeah, Akira is absolutely awesome in so many ways. And I have the DVD now right beside me. Now if it weren't already so late .  (Also I have yet to read the comics).

 

Blasphemy! watching anime, or any Asian movie for that matter, in another language than the native one just sounds and looks  so wrong. 

[Vazgen]

Well if they don't want you to pick it then wouldn't the better option be not bringing it up? I doubt Shepard would start shooting at the thing without the Catalyst prompt given that shooting fuel lines is generally not the way to activate complex machinery.

It would, but they do bring it up. Don't know why, perhaps they can't imagine picking such a barbaric option when an eternal peace is available. Perhaps, their own destruction works for them too. Check out this 3-part article on gamefront, it has some interesting ideas. Link to part 1

In any case, I don't trust them enough to willingly sacrifice myself. If they are lying about Destroy, so be it, but I will at least try

[RatThing]

Blasphemy! watching anime, or any Asian movie for that matter, in another language than the native one just sounds and looks  so wrong. 

 

Well, subtitles distract me too much from the scenes and my japanese is limited to a few phrases. (anata wa eigo hanashimasu ka?)

 

The re-synced english version of Akira is actually really good, I can go with that. Unlike the german version of Mass Effect for example (goodness, is that one bad. Geth pronounced like the word "get" ).

[Farangbaa]

Well, subtitles distract me too much from the scenes and my japanese is limited to a few phrases. (anata wa eigo hanashimasu ka?)

 

The re-synced english version of Akira is actually really good, I can go with that. Unlike the german version of Mass Effect for example (goodness, is that one bad. Geth pronounced like the word "get" ).

 

Pretty much everything is subtitled here, so I'm used to it.

[Ithurael]

Maybe it is just me...but I honestly think if Bioware was to go back to the ending of ME3 it would be for the worst....

 

I know how that sounds and I am as disappointed as any. I did not really care for the ending. In what I observed, no choice mattered in the game play of the final mission which really really sucked. That and the giant retcon that was the catalyst, just made things sour for me. I haven't played in a while (mostly prepping for the next witcher game and I went into nostalgia mood with FEAR and HL2).  but I really do think that if Bio went back to the endings to give yet another ending...it would be a massive detriment. They honestly did the best they could with the steaming pile of crap that was the vanilla ending. and yes, the ending has a LOT of flaws. Those flaws can be remedied with a good amount of headcanon but that is still..just headcanon.

 

In all, I moved on. I won't preorder another game-for a while. At least until the reviews are in. But I do hope the best for Bioware. Maybe DA3 really can turn it around...

 

or not...only time will tell.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The dark energy ending with sacrificing humanity to save the galaxy OR destroying the reapers and hoping for the best?

 

Well, it's the last game of the series. The last chapter of the story. Guess which one would be be picked? You've got 200 years to figure it out? Who cares? Destroy the reapers! I'll be dead by that time.

 

The only way they could "sell" the sacrifice humanity side would be to have the destroy option kill all biotic life in addition to the reapers. Plus the ending didn't make any sense anyway - how is one Capital Reaper going to process all of the excess dark energy in the galaxy? What we got actually was better.

 

Everything after Eden Prime was a dream anyway. lol.

[ZipZap2000]

These threads They always starts off with the endings, then do a bit of IT related material mid way through, then some sensible reconciliation and then IT mockery again. When the memes show up it's over, the cycle will have reached it's apex.

[ImaginaryMatter]

The dark energy ending with sacrificing humanity to save the galaxy OR destroying the reapers and hoping for the best?

 

Well, it's the last game of the series. The last chapter of the story. Guess which one would be be picked? You've got 200 years to figure it out? Who cares? Destroy the reapers! I'll be dead by that time.

 

The only way they could "sell" the sacrifice humanity side would be to have the destroy option kill all biotic life in addition to the reapers. Plus the ending didn't make any sense anyway - how is one Capital Reaper going to process all of the excess dark energy in the galaxy? What we got actually was better.

 

Everything after Eden Prime was a dream anyway. lol.

 

I don't know why people keep bringing this up. DK himself said that it wasn't fleshed out very well nor that it was set in stone.

[AlanC9]

I don't know why people keep bringing this up. DK himself said that it wasn't fleshed out very well nor that it was set in stone.

Everything we know about the DE ending shows that it was worse than what we actually got. -- or rather, that it had even more of the elements that made people hysterical about the ending we actually got.

Sure, maybe there's some fantasy alternate version of the DE ending that was OK. But if you want to talk about a fantasy alternate ending for ME, why start with something bad? Why not talk about a fantasy alternate version of the existing ending?

[Farangbaa]

People to this day cry Shepard had to sacrifice himself. Imagine having to sacrifice all of humanity, like was intended in the DE ending... hmm I guess these boards would've been a lot more silent, with all the suicides that would ensue.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

People to this day cry Shepard had to sacrifice himself. Imagine having to sacrifice all of humanity, like was intended in the DE ending... hmm I guess these boards would've been a lot more silent, with all the suicides that would ensue.

 

Well the boards would have been pretty dead. Not with suicides, but with people not having bought the DLC. I probably would have turned off the XBox before choosing the ending after hearing it from starbrat. Traded in the game on March 23rd, 2012 and got something else, and waited for Black Ops 2 where your choices mattered.

[Farangbaa]

Well the boards would have been pretty dead. Not with suicides, but with people not having bought the DLC. I probably would have turned off the XBox before choosing the ending after hearing it from starbrat. Traded in the game on March 23rd, 2012 and got something else, and waited for Black Ops 2 where your choices mattered.

Starbrat wasn't involved in DE ending... or was it?

[BioWareM0d13]

These threads They always starts off with the endings, then do a bit of IT related material mid way through, then some sensible reconciliation and then IT mockery again. When the memes show up it's over, the cycle will have reached it's apex.

 

The cycle must continue.

[angol fear]

These threads They always starts off with the endings, then do a bit of IT related material mid way through, then some sensible reconciliation and then IT mockery again. When the memes show up it's over, the cycle will have reached it's apex.

Same people talking so same things said!

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Starbrat wasn't involved in DE ending... or was it?

 

It was!! But called "The Guardian."

[Dale]

When I finished ME 3 the first time, I was literally motion- and speechless, sitting in front of my monitor and staring into the void for several minutes.

Basher,

 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.   Mine exactly  -- in fact you took me on a road to nostalga.  Though this is a video game, I recall other emotional "hits" in my past like 911, when the Challenger exploded, and a few others.   As one philosopher said "we write to know we're not alone".   Good to compare notes -- and I've been reading page 19xx of this forum to discover others with the same feelings & observations -- that reveal that you & I are not just off the wall.  

 

As well-said by others on this thread, this is not just some self-contained movie or book we can easily discard.    MEU represents literally years of our lives & emotional commitment that is not so flippantly flushed down the commode.   Those that try – will be ignored.

 

It is blatantly clear to me that those who "have no problem with the endings" are in fact UPPER-LEFT brain dominant & can’t relate to others having different points of view.   As far as they are concerned:

 

“what’s the matter with you guys?  Reapers dealt with – problem solved – go on”.

 

In the entire trilogy Shep was not permitted to discover anything to defeat a reaper invasion.  Yes, he stopped an invasion but defeating an in-progress invasion is quite another thing.  IMO, all our work to unite the galaxy served only two things (1) build & deliver the crucible and (2) provided military support to reach the beam.  Military writers would scoff at not discovering anything about your enemy other than “we are the vanguard of your destruction”.

 

I recall one conversation I had with my “shrink” sister.  A line I remember went something like this:

 

“we’ve never been inside anyone else’s head – so we naturally expect them to think & arrive at the same conclusions we do.  Not until they gain enough experience – do they value others’ opinions”. 

 

One book I’ve read “The Way To the Top-Donald Trump” emphasizes that life is too short for someone to be self-contained – you therefore MUST have other folks’ input – and the entire book is about soliciting others input (their replies).

 

There will NEVER be a consensus in any game EVER.   Marketing rules will laugh at you.  Even on this forum there is not a single MEU character that is not royally hated by dozens of people (I’ve been reading so argue is pointless). 

 

There are no shortages of good ideas to Band-Aid a 4^th (actually 5^th) ending.   If Coca-Cola was not quick to respond to their paying customers’ outrage (the [blundered] new taste of coke), they would be chapt-11.   BW apathy is in question here.  Even if they tried & screwed it up – it would at least be a smart business gesture to future buying customers.

 

I find it quite amusing that those with THOUSANDS of posts advise us to "move on".

[Vazgen]

Releasing this DLC will not be a sound business move. First, the game is two years-old and not many people still play it, especially those dissatisfied with endings. Second, releasing a paid DLC to "fix" the ending will just create an outrage and open a wound that was closed a little after the Extended Cut. People will march at Bioware headquarters with pitchforks and torches claiming that they have "lost their soul", "only care about money" etc. That's why EC was free, anything else would've cause a large backlash. Now, based on the first point, they will not only need to make that DLC paid, but also put quite a high price on it which will create even more outrage.

Third, the team has now moved on new tech with Frostbite 3, they work on a new project. Taking them away from that project to produce something substantial (like what you suggest) will hinder the progress of ME:Next development and it won't go well with the publisher.

The best you can hope for is a small DLC-like content, like Genesis or maybe a spin-off that will allow you to part with the trilogy and get into the new game.

 

It is blatantly clear to me that those who "have no problem with the endings" are in fact UPPER-LEFT brain dominant & can’t relate to others having different points of view. 

I'm fine with endings and I'm fine with others having a different point of view. Do you realize, however, that this DLC will force your opinion on fans like me? It seems like you want developers make a DLC for people not satisfied with the endings - that's not how it works. You produce a product and once you have it focused on a certain group of players you alienate the other group. It's like creating a DLC that focuses on femshep.

[InWeirdPeril]

 

I'm fine with endings and I'm fine with others having a different point of view. Do you realize, however, that this DLC will force your opinion on fans like me? It seems like you want developers make a DLC for people not satisfied with the endings - that's not how it works. You produce a product and once you have it focused on a certain group of players you alienate the other group. It's like creating a DLC that focuses on femshep.

 

I am glad that some can accept different point of views.

 

And regarding DLCs... I think the endings can stand as they are if need be. But what I would like to see is some addition to the ones we got. A little bit of more detailed closure. Would not really hurt anyone as the endings are not changed, but would add something that is missing. I think that could cater to most without focusing on anyone really. Well, except the usual few of course.

[Dale]

I am glad that some can accept different point of views.

 

And regarding DLCs... I think the endings can stand as they are if need be. But what I would like to see is some addition to the ones we got. A little bit of more detailed closure. Would not really hurt anyone as the endings are not changed, but would add something that is missing. I think that could cater to most without focusing on anyone really. Well, except the usual few of course.

yes, my point exactly --

 

That's why I said a 5th ending -- you can choose to purchase or not.  You can choose the 5th ending or not.   I'm not "imposing" my will on anything or anybody.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yes. As for the time for them to release their "Broken Steel" (Fallout 3 reference) that ship sailed in July 2012. There were no plans for any aftermath DLC. There was no way to get around the galaxy because all the mass relays were destroyed. That would have had to be completely retconned, and the red, green or blue ending tossed in favor of a single ending that eliminated the reapers, and left Shepard buried under the pile of rubble only to be rescued by a team later. And perhaps the Normandy ended up crashing in a jungle on Earth. Initially, they didn't say where, so possibly it could have been the Normandy squad who found Shepard. Or possibly Bailey. Then post ending DLC could happen, and pre-ending DLC as well.

 

But it's too late for that, and we never got to see the galactic wasteland. Instead we got to see a sunshine and bunnies slide show depending upon you EMS. Instead... "Did all that really happen?"

"Yes, but some of the details were lost with time. All that happened very long ago."

"Will I ever get to the stars?"

"One day, my sweet. Out there, there are billions of stars. And around them are billions of worlds each with a story all its own."

"Tell me another story about The Shepard."

"It's getting late, but alright. One more story."

[themikefest]

As I posted before. How different is the story that the stargazer told the child from the story that was told to him? I would like to hear the story that was told to the stargazer when it was told to him.

[ImaginaryMatter]

As I posted before. How different is the story that the stargazer told the child from the story that was told to him? I would like to hear the story that was told to the stargazer when it was told to him.

 

I think it would be a well documented story, he probably looked it up on Spacepedia.

[Coyotebay]

The whole thing about the destroy ending killing all synthetics was a cheap trick by Bioware to push people toward the synthetic ending. There was no basis for it, there is absolutely nothing in the story that links all synthetics together and especially between all synthetics and Reapers. They just act like Reapers and synthetics are one in the same. Kill one, kill them all. If they had removed that one ridiculous thing and made the only penalties to destroying the Reapers being Shepard's own death and the destruction of the relays, I would have been okay with that. But killing off whole races of synthetics was completely over-the-top and made the destroy option the most penalized of the three.

We already have the fourth ending, it's the MEHEM. Is it important that Bioware adopts this as an official canon ending? That seems to be the only issue. But they're never going to do that, so you just have to accept it as a non-canon mod. That doesn't make it any less valid imo. Star Brat is completely unnecessary exposition, and the mod fixed the whole thing by just putting his scene on the cutting room floor. The Reapers are destroyed, EDI lives, Geths survive, Shepard lives. The End.