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#76
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I think it would be a well documented story, he probably looked it up on Spacepedia.

The story must of changed over time from story teller to story teller if the stargazer says some details have been lost over time. I wouldn't be surprised if each story teller added some spice to the story to make it interesting when telling it to people.



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At the time the original ending was written it was supposed to be after a 10,000 year dark age. Hence, the deification of "The Shepard."



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The whole thing about the destroy ending killing all synthetics was a cheap trick by Bioware to push people toward the synthetic ending.  There was no basis for it, there is absolutely nothing in the story that links all synthetics together and especially between all synthetics and Reapers.  They just act like Reapers and synthetics are one in the same.  Kill one, kill them all.  If they had removed that one ridiculous thing and made the only penalties to destroying the Reapers being Shepard's own death and the destruction of the relays, I would have been okay with that.  But killing off whole races of synthetics was completely over-the-top and made the destroy option the most penalized of the three.

 

We already have the fourth ending, it's the MEHEM.  Is it important that Bioware adopts this as an official canon ending?  That seems to be the only issue.  But they're never going to do that, so you just have to accept it as a non-canon mod.  That doesn't make it any less valid imo.  Star Brat is completely unnecessary exposition, and the mod fixed the whole thing by just putting his scene on the cutting room floor.  The Reapers are destroyed, Edie lives, Geths survive, Shepard lives.  The End.

 

Eh.. a beam that kills all synthetics makes more sense than a beam that kills only the Reapers.

 

In as far as a beam of energy not killing organics can make sense at all.



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Eh.. a beam that kills all synthetics makes more sense than a beam that kills only the Reapers.

 

In as far as a beam of energy not killing organics can make sense at all.

 

It comes from a device capable of altering all DNA in the universe, including robots, that was somehow built by a bunch of organic races that had no idea what they were doing.

 

I don't think we can impose any sort of sense onto the Crucible's functions.



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Honestly I also think that what the beam does in synthesis (acting on all DNA of tens/hundresds of different species and  synthetics as it does) makes much less sense of what it does in Destroy.

 

Just my personal idea anyway



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Sending out a beam that destroys the Reapers as opposed to one that knows how to identify and kill anything synthetic or one that synthesizes all synthetic and organic life is the only one that isn't simply space magic. You could argue that the beam is just a transmission that goes through all the relays and activates a self-destruct on the Reapers.  Since the AI built the Reapers, it would of course know about this "off" switch.  The Reapers are the one thing you reasonably can believe that the AI has the ability to control or destroy even over great distances, using the mass relay network.  It's perfectly believable science fiction.



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That altering of the DNA could be as simple as replacing the deoxyribose of DNA with some synthetic construct (and adding something of a DNA to robot... or something) Not that I know of a beam that could possibly do this.

 

And don't get even get me started on control. If you just replace the Catalyst a beam isn't even necessary.

 

But we shouldn't be suprised about these things in a trilogy riddled with space magic. I've seen people claim the space magic starts in ME3, but damn.. the Cipher, essence and all that mumbo jumbo is all over the place.



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Sending out a beam that destroys the Reapers as opposed to one that knows how to identify and kill anything synthetic or one that synthesizes all synthetic and organic life is the only one that isn't simply space magic.You could argue that the beam is just a transmission that goes through all the relays and activates a self-destruct on the Reapers.  Since the AI built the Reapers, it would of course know about this "off" switch.  The Reapers are the one thing you reasonably can believe that the AI has the ability to control or destroy even over great distances, using the mass relay network.  It's perfectly believable science fiction.

 

Bwahaha.

 

The Catalyst could just press the off switch. No need for a beam.

 

And see my other post, this trilogy is riddled with space magic. I have no idea why people think the space magic starts in ME3.



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Control - no need to send out a beam. Just replace the catalyst. You have the control signal now. No need for the mass relays to be even damaged. You can order your reapers to speak: "We are under new management. Commander Shepard controls us now. Stop firing. The war is over. We will clean up our mess and leave."


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That altering of the DNA could be as simple as replacing the deoxyribose of DNA with some synthetic construct (and adding something of a DNA to robot... or something) Not that I know of a beam that could possibly do this.

 

And don't get even get me started on control. If you just replace the Catalyst a beam isn't even necessary.

 

But we shouldn't be suprised about these things in a trilogy riddled with space magic. I've seen people claim the space magic starts in ME3, but damn.. the Cipher, essence and all that mumbo jumbo is all over the place.

 

It's not the space magic-ness that bothers me, it's only when the space magic isn't explained or is used inconsistently that it bothers me (like I have little problem with the Animus in AC). I think one reason why the endings get more derided for this than something like the Cipher is that the Cipher has an explanation for what it does. We can poke holes all day in how it doesn't make sense or about it's contrivances, but at the end of the day it's usage in the plot is basically that... of a cipher. Something like Synthesis on the other hand is introduced in a narrative vacuum. We're given a non-intuitive, unhelpful, techno-babble explanation and the Catalyst's positive opinion of it, but little else (I think the EC Investigate option makes it even more unclear). This might not make it necessarily worse (like maybe the point of Synthesis is to be both a literal and figurative leap of faith), but it does make it a lot more noticeable.



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I can understand that, doesn't bother me in the slightest though :P



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Eh.. a beam that kills all synthetics makes more sense than a beam that kills only the Reapers.

 

In as far as a beam of energy not killing organics can make sense at all.

It kills only Reaper-related synthetics. Reapers themselves, geth with the Reaper code and EDI, created on the base of Sovereign and with Reaper IFF from ME2. It is quite logical to me (can explain in more detail). What gets destroyed is the Reaper code library, functions and variables used by the Reapers. With it destroyed, any machine reliant on a Reaper code will malfunction. Machines with great reliance such as Reapers themselves, upgraded geth and EDI will be rendered non-functional. I can't see use for energy beam though unless...

...an explanation for Control needing the beam is this: there is no long-range communication between worlds since the extranet is down and beam is just a way to spread the message as soon as possible.

As for the synthesis, I can see how it can be done in ME universe. On Horizon we see how Reapers create their ground troops (notably husks). They make use of nanites which attach themselves to the adrenaline cells (they are that small) and spread through the organism very fast due to adrenaline rush effect from being penetrated by the spike. I can see Crucible launching a whole bunch of these nanites, modified with Shepard's DNA and turn every being out there.
It's quite far-fetched and leaves a lot of questions but it's possible in the ME Universe with eezo and the whole "mass effect" phenomenon.

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Control - no need to send out a beam. Just replace the catalyst. You have the control signal now. No need for the mass relays to be even damaged. You can order your reapers to speak: "We are under new management. Commander Shepard controls us now. Stop firing. The war is over. We will clean up our mess and leave."

Hahahahaha... The Reapers sound like a McDonald's.  Control is really the best ending.  Everyone lives, even Shepard - albeit as a computer AI.



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Besides, it's not far fetched to have specific kinds of energy/radiation/whatever only effect certain things. But meh... rushed writing is rushed writing.


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Replace the catalyst. "So The Illusive Man was right after all?"

 

You're replacing Starbrat with someone who thought Asari needed other species to reproduce. Who was basically a dumb ass, and making them god-emperor (empress) over the galaxy.

 

It's the best choice, but is Shepard smart enough to pick it?



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It kills only Reaper-related synthetics. Reapers themselves, geth with the Reaper code and EDI, created on the base of Sovereign and with Reaper IFF from ME2. It is quite logical to me (can explain in more detail). What gets destroyed is the Reaper code library, functions and variables used by the Reapers. With it destroyed, any machine reliant on a Reaper code will malfunction. Machines with great reliance such as Reapers themselves, upgraded geth and EDI will be rendered non-functional. I can't see use for energy beam though unless...

...an explanation for Control needing the beam is this: there is no long-range communication between worlds since the extranet is down and beam is just a way to spread the message as soon as possible.

As for the synthesis, I can see how it can be done in ME universe. On Horizon we see how Reapers create their ground troops (notably husks). They make use of nanites which attach themselves to the adrenaline cells (they are that small) and spread through the organism very fast due to adrenaline rush effect from being penetrated by the spike. I can see Crucible launching a whole bunch of these nanites, modified with Shepard's DNA and turn every being out there.
It's quite far-fetched and leaves a lot of questions but it's possible in the ME Universe with eezo and the whole "mass effect" phenomenon.

 

 

Only problem I have with this is that it implies Reaper tech was used to ressurect Space Jesus.. er Shepard.



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Only problem I have with this is that it implies Reaper tech was used to ressurect Space Jesus.. er Shepard.

How? I didn't say that in any way :) Shepard was resurrected with a normal tech (visible during Lazarus cutscenes). One does not implant Reaper tech into someone he expects to fight the Reapers :D



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How? I didn't say that in any way :) Shepard was resurrected with a normal tech (visible during Lazarus cutscenes). One does not implant Reaper tech into someone he expects to fight the Reapers :D

 

Because Destroy kills Shepard in sub par EMS endings.



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Replace the catalyst. "So The Illusive Man was right after all?"

 

You're replacing Starbrat with someone who thought Asari needed other species to reproduce. Who was basically a dumb ass, and making them god-emperor (empress) over the galaxy.

 

It's the best choice, but is Shepard smart enough to pick it?

I wonder who would be worse to takeover the reapers? The idiot Shepard or the idiot Anderson who wants to send idiot Shepard up the middle where the resistance is the heaviest and to support the tanks.


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I wonder who would be worse to takeover the reapers? The idiot Shepard or the idiot Anderson who wants to send idiot Shepard up the middle where the resistance is the heaviest and to support the tanks.

 

That was probably a smart move on Anderson's part. Everyone knows Shepard is Space Jesus and can easily smite the heretic Reapers.



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That was probably a smart move on Anderson's part. Everyone knows Shepard is Space Jesus and can easily smite the heretic Reapers.

No it isn't. What support would she offer the tanks? Tanks are for supporting  ground troops



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I wonder who would be worse to takeover the reapers? The idiot Shepard or the idiot Anderson who wants to send idiot Shepard up the middle where the resistance is the heaviest and to support the tanks.

 

Well we know Anderson is just an old soldier who can only see things down a barrel of a gun. "Bullsh*t! We destroy them. Or they destroy us."

 

And Anderson who was worried about Saren's diversion in Revelation. I mean they were Batarians! Colonist Shepard doesn't care about that. Saren did the galaxy a favor there. Anderson could have been a Spectre if he'd backed up Saren instead of going against Saren's report.



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Because Destroy kills Shepard in sub par EMS endings.

I always viewed that breath scene from the eyes of a rescuer, coming to save Shepard. If you have low EMS, there is no one to get there in time



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Well we know Anderson is just an old soldier who can only see things down a barrel of a gun. "Bullsh*t! We destroy them. Or they destroy us."

 

And Anderson who was worried about Saren's diversion in Revelation. I mean they were Batarians! Colonist Shepard doesn't care about that. Saren did the galaxy a favor there. Anderson could have been a Spectre if he'd backed up Saren instead of going against Saren's report.

He's not that old. He should know better than coming up with an idiotic plan like that.



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Catalyst: The created will always rebel against their creators

 

Since the catalyst is god

 

and since god is infallible

 

then the inevitable MUST happen.

 

After the Shep - Cat blab session is over, shep turns around, presses a few buttons on a nearby DLC console and:

 

Harbie & the boys go to war with the catalyst (that flees) & eventually nuke each other (off the Citadel)

 

Citadel party.

 

Game over.

 

BTY -- the marketing on the first 2 weeks of ME3's GA -- was reduced 50% world wide.   Let's not argue over history statistics, okay?