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[Roses]

First off I might be completely lore-inaccurate with this (might have forgotten/overlooked something, so I'm sorry in advance!) and the thought came up on a night with a full moon so I was very sleep deprived BUT! --

 

Usually in the game, when someone with magical abilities gets posessed by a demon, there's a way to separate them from the demon by going into the Fade and killing them there, right? Well, unless they turn into an IRL abomination of course, then there's no way back.
 

So, once things started derailing for Justice-posessed Anders, couldn't our character just spare another trip to the Fade to deal with the threat? It was clear once Anders began blacking out during Justice's manifests the spirit was already a pretty serious danger. Not to mention the fireworks later. Man, that was harsh. So, do you think it would have been possible to drive out Justice? Or would it not work because the spirit was once willingly accepted, ignoring even that it turned evil afterwards?

[Colbyachi]

Im not sure how it works, but I would assume since Anders voluntarily became the host of Justice we now lose the ability to remove him forcefully. Maybe he can only voluntarily leave because that's the way he was allowed in? Just brainstorming here. But with the way justice's thought process is i doubt we'd be able to convince him to leave. Crazy idea here, maybe in DAI if you kept him alive and side with mages he will leave Anders because his mission is complete and justice served? It'd be nice if that was possible for us who still believe Anders can do some good, but Im not sure if that could happen with vengenece now.

[Krypplingz]

But Justice isn't in the fade. He's inside Anders. 

The Fade exorcism of Connor only worked because the demon hadn't possessed him fully, but was manipulating him from inside the fade.

And Justice might not be able to return to the Fade if removed from Anders body. So he'd either be forced to float around, possess another body or be terminated. And since Anders never sees him as an evil creature, but a friend, he might object and even fight to protect Justice.

[Jester]

Usually in the game, when someone with magical abilities gets posessed by a demon, there's a way to separate them from the demon by going into the Fade and killing them there, right? Well, unless they turn into an IRL abomination of course, then there's no way back.

The thing is, that Anders IS an abomination. His appearance doesn't change (becuase it's a spirit, not a demon), but Justice is physically inside him. Justice is not in the Fade - he was forced out by the Baroness in Awakening. 

[Colbyachi]

So my friends, since he is an abomination, is there any hope for him maybe controlling himself more in the future or did I just spare a walking killing machine with magic?

[Willowhugger]

There's a theory that Justice and Anders don't actually exist anymore and it's not a case of possession.

 

That both of them exist only as fragments now in the same being.

Anders is actually a Justice/Anders hybrid.

 

It's only in the Fade that Justice is back to existing.

[HTTP 404]

I think Anders would have to want it to be removed in the first place.  I also don't know the time limitations needed to exorcise a spirit.  Is there no turning back after one day? a month? a year?

[Roses]

Yeah, somebody call an exorcist, Anders is glowing blue again
It's such a shame actually. Anders's such a well done character, but the spirit seems to have fried the circuits for the poor fella. MAYBE, well MAYBE we'll get some sort of solution for this in Inquisition... who knows~

[SmilesJA]

It will be interesting to find out what happens to Justice after you kill Anders.

[caradoc2000]

That both of them exist only as fragments now in the same being.
Anders is actually a Justice/Anders hybrid.

It is the Dragon Age version of a Synthesis ending, high EMS and all...

[Willowhugger]

Justice isn't a bad person.

Neither is Anders.

Just, together, they sort of suck.

[Roses]

I wonder what hit dude in the head to allow the spirit into him "carpe diem (in modern language YOLO), I'm gonna hook up with this ethereal fellow here, it's not like it can do something wrong, it's a good spirit"

Half a game later - "Andrastes knickelweasels, was I wrong" Had he forgotten all the Circle time? Weren't they taught that entering any contract with spirit is gonna end bad?

EDIT: just found a really lovely piece of metagaming analysis http://archiveofouro...g/works/1000940 that sure did answer this question. I recommend the article, it's such a lovely and very insightful read! Pleasantly surprised O_O

[Hydwn]

There's a theory that Justice and Anders don't actually exist anymore and it's not a case of possession.

 

That both of them exist only as fragments now in the same being.

Anders is actually a Justice/Anders hybrid.

 

It's only in the Fade that Justice is back to existing.

 

I didn't think that was a theory.  Anders says as much, several times.

 

It's never clearly explained, but there seem to be two stages or types of spirit possession.  In the first stage or type, the demon/spirit is controlling someone from the Fade and manipulating them.  Connor from Origins, Fiona from the second novel, and Feynriel in DA2 all suffer this, and all get cured by someone willing to go into the Fade for them.

 

The second stage or type is where the spirit enters the body and fuses with the victim.  The two personalities merge.  Interestingly, the fused form seems to keep the mortal's goals and ambitions, and the demon/spirit's values and approach.  Uldred wants to free mages, and Pride!Uldred will still do that Pride Demon style.  Connor wants to save his father, and Desire!Connor will still do that, Desire Demon style.  

 

Interestingly, Uldred and Anders both had the same goals as mortals (freeing mages from the chantry), but as fused beings they had very different approaches to that goal.

 

I'm not sure if these are two different kinds of spirit possession - in which case type 1 would never become type 2 - or two different stages - where type 1 is the first layer than deepens to stage 2 over time.  I don't think this is ever clear.  Either way, Anders was type 2, and un-saveable.

[Willowhugger]

It's also possible that Anders actually wasn't the guy who blew up the Chantry willingly.

It'd be a retcon but you could make it so the Elder One was manipulating him.

Corypheus could control Anders after all.

[Lazarillo]

It will be interesting to find out what happens to Justice after you kill Anders.

 

Wasn't it mentioned in Origins that if you kill an abomination, the demon dies, too?

[Br3admax]

Wasn't it mentioned in Origins that if you kill an abomination, the demon dies, too?

No, they go back to the Fade, sometimes as weakened wisps. Anders also mentions that Justice will be free when he dies.