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[ZipZap2000]

@Natashina All valid points pre EC. But what we get post EC is a very specific explanation of how things turn out for the galaxy, it's the most specific ending of all of them. Peace, knowledge and unity are the themes of the synthesis ending it's literally the best way it end it. Even Kasumi gets her dead boyfriend back, im assuming it's not actually him but as EDI says "Are we really more than just the sum of our thoughts?"

[Grieving Natashina]

@Natashina All valid points pre EC. But what we get post EC is a very specific explanation of how things turn out for the galaxy, it's the most specific ending of all of them. Peace, knowledge and unity are the themes of the synthesis ending it's literally the best way it end it. Even Kasumi gets her dead boyfriend back, im assuming it's not actually him but as EDI says "Are we really more than just the sum of our thoughts?"

I played the series for the first time in May, with the EC, and choose Synthesis.  I feel that way as a newcomer to the series.  Plus, I actually didn't like Kasumi "reuniting" with her ex.  Life should be about celebrating life, joy and wisdom, but it's also about accepting loss and pain, and learning to move on from it.  In my opinion, life looses meaning when you can (possibly) no longer die.  Besides, even when I (accidentally, I headed for the shiny light and didn't notice where the other two choices were) choose Synthesis my first time around, I had Kasumi destroy the greybox in ME2.

 

I will always feel that Synthesis is far too optimistic for my taste.  For me at least, it throws any sense of drama or loss I had experienced prior to that point right out the window.  Also, the EC doesn't change that my Shep just forced everyone in the galaxy to become this hybrid whether they wanted to or not.  If they are magically okay with having their thoughts/genetics rewritten against their will, and suddenly being apart of more of a collective than being an individual (I'd miss the quiet in my mind,) then that's no better than a form of brainwashing in my opinion.  

 

Hey, I can respect that you (and several others I'm sure) enjoyed Synthesis the most.  It is overall the most happiest of the endings, and I can understand completely the joy in that.  However, for me, I was left feeling a little dissatisfied by the ending, mainly because endings that are too perfect (in movies, games, or other media) just don't work for me.  <shrug>

[ZipZap2000]

I wish I hadn't told Kasumi to keep that thing tbh. It's weird that she spends all of her time with it, still pretty endearing though.

[in it for the lolz]

So long as I get my anti-xenos Shepard back..... (bloody SuperMac and C.Hudson pandering to those cowardly Paragon players).

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Also, can you imagine the horror of a Husk realizing what it's done?   Say, this newfound synthesis also gives them memory.  All the things they've done to others could come back, as well as the memories of getting killed and/or husked on top of it.  This is highly unlikely, but it's still a thought I had.

 

 

This is a problem that needs to be overlooked.

 

Seriously. There are so many things wrong with the way this and each of the other choices were written that you just forget about what you see except for this: all the endings are virtually identical except for the color of the explosions on your screen. Of all the endings, control was the best written. My guess is because it is the Cerberus ending.

[Valdrane78]

This is a problem that needs to be overlooked.

 

Seriously. There are so many things wrong with the way this and each of the other choices were written that you just forget about what you see except for this: all the endings are virtually identical except for the color of the explosions on your screen. Of all the endings, control was the best written. My guess is because it is the Cerberus ending.

I also believe that control is the best ending out of them all.  Paragon control with high ems is about as good as it gets.  No one dies, no one is forced to become something the do not want to become, and there is peace.  There is only one problem with control...........Somewhere down the line, it could be in 2 thousand years or 2 million years.  Shepard will forget his/her humanity and try to retain peace at any cost (think Peacekeeprs in Farscape), turning from benevolent protector to violent dictator.  And it will happen, it is just a matter of time.  Once everyone he knows and cares about is gone, his connection with the galaxy will begin to wane.  But to be perfectly honest, every ending is flawed, which I consider a good thing.  Nothing is ever perfect.

[themikefest]

Destroy is the best ending. Reapers destroyed and aren't around like the other endings.

[Reorte]

@Natashina All valid points pre EC. But what we get post EC is a very specific explanation of how things turn out for the galaxy, it's the most specific ending of all of them. Peace, knowledge and unity are the themes of the synthesis ending it's literally the best way it end it. Even Kasumi gets her dead boyfriend back, im assuming it's not actually him but as EDI says "Are we really more than just the sum of our thoughts?"

And that portrayal is so clearly ignoring all the questions raised by it and giving it such a positive portrayal that it feels entirely like propaganda.

[Eterna]

No seriously, when has murdering your allies ever rewarded paragon points? Your headcannon and faulty reasonings mean nothing to me. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

This is a problem that needs to be overlooked.

 

Seriously. There are so many things wrong with the way this and each of the other choices were written that you just forget about what you see except for this: all the endings are virtually identical except for the color of the explosions on your screen. Of all the endings, control was the best written. My guess is because it is the Cerberus ending.

 

I don't think it's that, the parts of the story involving Cerberus tend to be the weakest elements.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Never understood what baffles people so much about the Green ending having a positive outcome/portrayal. If it takes effect as it was described to us and with no unforeseen consequences (which is how decisions work out in games about 90% of the time anyway), then there's really not much negative that warrants discussion. I mean, what, some groups of people here and there would oppose/protest the result on principle? Not really a noteworthy development.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

No seriously, when has murdering your allies ever rewarded paragon points? Your headcannon and faulty reasonings mean nothing to me. 

 

Destroy has lots of stupid themes attached to it but being Renegade-oriented or anti-Paragon is not one of them.

[ZipZap2000]

@Reorte

 

So you're saying the ending was propaganda and if you chose synthesis you were brain washed? This sounds awfully familiar to a certain theory that was doing the rounds a while back.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I said best written in that it makes the most sense, not the best as far as result. The only space magic involved is the upload of an image of Shepard's mind into an AI super computer. It replaces the existing catalyst data file with a new one.  The renegade/paragon aspect is part of that data file. My Cerberus comment was offhand because of Mac Walter's love affair with Cerberus.

 

The other two endings require 1) a wave that seeks out reapers and all synthetic life and destroys it. It also destroys technology that we rely upon, although it isn't specified what that is, as additional collateral damage; 2) or it sends out a wave that sends out Shepard's essence to the galaxy to change all dna and alter it to be partly synthetic, and it also does something to synthetics. Both these endings require far more space magic.

[ZipZap2000]

Destroy is a trade off it was meant to be the hardest decision to make, it was originally the hardest to get as well. Pre EC it was only possible to get a good destroy ending without MP if you made GQ peace saved the Rachni Queen spared the council saved the Genophage data and had all squadmates survive the SM and shot/convinced TIM.

 

It's debatable where all those decision would fit in on the morality scale one might see paragon another renegade another still a good mix of both.

[ImaginaryMatter]

@Reorte

 

So you're saying the ending was propaganda and if you chose synthesis you were brain washed? This sounds awfully familiar to a certain theory that was doing the rounds a while back.

 

I don't think that's what he's saying at all, he said it feels like propaganda. There is something uncanny about the Synthesis slide and it only gets worse when you consider all the implications it leaves behind in it's unclear and vague wake.

 

I said best written in that it makes the most sense, not the best as far as result. The only space magic involved is the upload of an image of Shepard's mind into an AI super computer. It replaces the existing catalyst data file with a new one.  The renegade/paragon aspect is part of that data file. My Cerberus comment was offhand because of Mac Walter's love affair with Cerberus.

 

The other two endings require 1) a wave that seeks out reapers and all synthetic life and destroys it. It also destroys technology that we rely upon, although it isn't specified what that is, as additional collateral damage; 2) or it sends out a wave that sends out Shepard's essence to the galaxy to change all dna and alter it to be partly synthetic, and it also does something to synthetics. Both these endings require far more space magic.

 

Oh, okay. The magic beam of Destroy doesn't bother me too much as the Catalyst is actually pretty clear about what it does -- at least clearer than the rest of it's spiel (barring the ever changing definition of 'synthetic'). I find Control slightly worse not from a logical standpoint but a thematic one because so much of TIM's little arc seems like a parable of why controlling the Reapers is futile, only to be revealed that there's not really any downside to it. Synthesis on the other hand... has a lot of problems with it, the least of which is essence and synthetic DNA.

[ZipZap2000]

Except that it's not vague at all it's explained in no uncertain terms.

 

 

Edit:

 

EDI: I am alive. All of us synthetic and organic HAVE BEEN CHANGED.

 

The war is over and The Reapers are helping to rebuild, where once they threatened us with extinction they now bring us the COLLECTIVE KNOWLEDGE of the cultures that came before (shows reapers rebuilding London with Asari and humans).

 

(shows synthesised humans) AS A GALAXY we can now live the lives we have wished for (shows squadmates and various races living happily). Taking our first steps into a NEW AND WONDERFUL FUTURE, where organics and synthetics can COEXIST PEACEFULLY.

 

(Shows Krogan smiling and rebuilding and having children)With PEACE ACROSS THE GALAXY and WITH UNLIMITED ACCESS TO KNOWLEDGE, to recover the greatness that was lost and SURPASS IT.

 

We will RECLAIM OUR WORLDS AND THE STARS. As the line between Synthetic and Organic disappears we may TRANSCEND MORTALITY ITSELF to reach A LEVEL OF EXISTENCE I CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE.

 

(Images of the fallen) And we will remember that this chance for A NEW LIFE did not come without cost.

 

(Sheps name goes up on the memorial wall) No matter how far WE ADVANCE we will remember the sacrifiices of those who made it possible and we will remember Shepard.

 

Because of him I am alive and I am not alone.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Except that it's not vague at all it's explained in no uncertain terms.

 

Okay. Then what is Synthesis?

[ZipZap2000]

Read the post above I edited it.

[Mordokai]

Synthesis:

 

[SporkFu]

Synthesis:

 

Notice... red>>>green>>>blue ... almost perfect, except purple is getting in the way. 

[ZipZap2000]

I guess that makes Shepard a Brony then.

 

Shepard to catalyst: And there will be peace?

[Allison_Lightning]

It wasn't peace in the truest sense, it was stripping away individuality to force everyone to accept each other without any real growth or understanding. You promise the Illusive Man you're going to destroy the reapers and even the Catalyst says that they thought they had eliminated the crucible as a threat.

With Leviathan, you know all of that is the bad reasoning of an intelligence. The synthesis future fundamentally rewrites everyone's personalities- the people they were before are gone, synthetic and organic alike. You make the Catalyst happy because you solved its problem, which is why it's so happy about it. EDI, right before I went off on that final run was herself and it killed me to choose Destroy but in the end my choices were to destroy everyone in the galaxy and create shiny happy people in their place or to resume the cycle whenever my Shepard lost her humanity.

 

Synthetics will come again and the galaxy has learnt enough to know they aren't to be feared and they will be the first to know a future when organics and synthetics aren't at odds. Even the Quarians only tried to stop what the Geth were becoming because the Council and their draconian iron grip on galactic policy made AI taboo.

 

The crucible exists through the collective efforts of the cycles and this is their shot as much as it was this cycle's, their sacrifices as individuals and respective races. Since the reapers started their harvests, the galaxy has never gotten the chance to develop on its own and evolve. Synthesis strips current and future races, organic and synthetic of what makes them themselves. It doesn't create peace just to scramble them together and eradicating who and what they were.

[ZipZap2000]

If the people they were before synthesis are gone why is jack still a teacher? kasumi still chasing her lost love? Jacob comforting Brynn? (I assume she lost the baby) Samara with Falare? Why are the Normandy crew crying and hugging over Shepards death? etc. The game flat out shows you what happens after synthesis and it's also narrated (very well great VA).

[Reorte]

 Never understood what baffles people so much about the Green ending having a positive outcome/portrayal. If it takes effect as it was described to us and with no unforeseen consequences (which is how decisions work out in games about 90% of the time anyway), then there's really not much negative that warrants discussion. I mean, what, some groups of people here and there would oppose/protest the result on principle? Not really a noteworthy development.

This discussion has been had many, many times. If you still don't think there's anything iffy about a completely positive portrayal for it then there's no helping you.