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#101
teh DRUMPf!!

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It's like destroy/conserve the collector base. Shepard, paragon writes it off as an abomination whereas the Illusive Man thinks that it would do more good to save it in the long run, regardless of the people who died. Synthesis and Control can be just as fear based, becoming a Reaper AI god if you will or turning everyone into something else based on the fear of continued organic/synthetic problems. The narration was based on informing us of the situation in a short time period and Stargazer scene was even there in refuse. 

 

You reforged life because you were scared that it was the only way they could live. They are not as they were and anyone who has watched and listened to EDI and Legion develop into individuals- it's a process, just like organics have, maybe organics don't quite understand it but they weren't less alive for lacking organic parts and vice versa. 

 

But at least if the reapers restart the cycle, you've given them the means to indoctrinate synthetics. All the Stargazer scene could mean is blissful ignorance right before they start a harvest after having gradually indoctrinated everyone and the vague details were what the reapers wanted everyone to know. Enjoy your utopia.   

 

Hehe, yeahhh no, let's not kid ourselves. Destroy ending thrives off of fear, mainly fear of the unknown. Choosing to become the new leader of an all-powerful army and changing the fabric of all organic life are much gutsier decisions to make than sacrificing an entirely-military species (no civilians at all) for guaranteed victory (a luxury that never comes with true sacrifice). No big scary Reapers to worry about, either.

 

If I didn't know better I'd almost think you were projecting something! :P



#102
ImaginaryMatter

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Hehe, yeahhh no, let's not kid ourselves. Destroy ending thrives off of fear, mainly fear of the unknown. Choosing to become the new leader of an all-powerful army and changing the fabric of all organic life are much gutsier decisions to make than sacrificing an entirely-military species (no civilians at all) for guaranteed victory (a luxury that never comes with true sacrifice). No big scary Reapers to worry about, either.

 

If I didn't know better I'd almost think you were projecting something! :P

 

I wouldn't call that fear, at least not in all cases.

 

Then again I'm someone who shoots the Catalyst for fun, so I might not be the best person to make an opinion on this.



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Allison_Lightning

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Hehe, yeahhh no, let's not kid ourselves. Destroy ending thrives off of fear, mainly fear of the unknown. Choosing to become the new leader of an all-powerful army and changing the fabric of all organic life are much gutsier decisions to make than sacrificing an entirely-military species (no civilians at all) for guaranteed victory (a luxury that never comes with true sacrifice). No big scary Reapers to worry about, either.

 

If I didn't know better I'd almost think you were projecting something! :P

 

 

The reapers aren't the unknown, they're the creation of a psychotic intelligence who is trapped in a defective logic loop- and synthetics were changed to be part organic. And by destroying them (the reapers), the unknown for the first time in forever (my Frozen quote for the day) is the future for the galaxy and the current races and all synthetic and organic life thereafter is responsible for its own destiny.

 

If someone's projecting, it's not me, although I think I missed a joke there.



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Hehe, yeahhh no, let's not kid ourselves. Destroy ending thrives off of fear, mainly fear of the unknown. Choosing to become the new leader of an all-powerful army and changing the fabric of all organic life are much gutsier decisions to make than sacrificing an entirely-military species (no civilians at all) for guaranteed victory (a luxury that never comes with true sacrifice). No big scary Reapers to worry about, either.

 

If I didn't know better I'd almost think you were projecting something! :P

 

I dunno man. For this to really take guts, I have to truly buy into this crap. When the Catalyst made its attempt to explain Synthesis, I could almost feel some of my braincells firing up classic reruns of the first porno I saw when I was a kid rather than paying any more attention to this.



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The reapers aren't the unknown, they're the creation of a psychotic intelligence who is trapped in a defective logic loop- and synthetics were changed to be part organic. And by destroying them (the reapers), the unknown for the first time in forever (my Frozen quote for the day) is the future for the galaxy and the current races and all synthetic and organic life thereafter is responsible for its own destiny.

 

If someone's projecting, it's not me, although I think I missed a joke there.

 

How does that make any sense? The future without the Reapers is what everyone expected and planned for anyway before they only recently learned of the Reapers' existence. Destroying them means going back to that normal state they expected from the start. Control and Sync keep them around, for one thing. In Control, they're going to play a big part in the galactic community (they may even be the ones in charge). In Sync, people are going to live as new forms of life. Both of those things are uncertainties for which Destroy has no equivalent.

 

No, synthetics aren't made part-organic, either. Starbrat explains in EC that organics will be changed changed, and then synthetics "in turn" gain a means of understanding them better (the prerequisite here being an understanding of what "in turn" means.)



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I dunno man. For this to really take guts, I have to truly buy into this crap. When the Catalyst made its attempt to explain Synthesis, I could almost feel some of my braincells firing up classic reruns of the first porno I saw when I was a kid rather than paying any more attention to this.

 

Not saying that everyone who chooses Destroy is doing it out of fear, just that part of the reason it gets a lot of support is because the other options basically scare the crap out of people. That, and some people are paranoid about Starbrat trying to trick them (lol).



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There are both renegade and paragon aspects to it.

 

Renegade - seizing power for yourself, working with the Reapers and ignoring the directions of your superiors (Shepard's never explicitly ordered to Destroy the Reapers, but it's clear that Hackett and Anderson would prefer it).

 

Paragon - self-sacrifice, everybody lives and taking a huge risk in the hopes of the best outcome (ie, risking that you'll still be yourself after the transition). (Oh, and blue  :P )

 

Speaking as a primarily Paragon player, it doesn't feel out of character for my Shepard to be picking it.

 

I think every choice has a Renegade element to it.

 

Partially because I think Shepard and his story has a consistent Renegade element to them as well.