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[VileIntent]

This Is a really dumb topic only looking to incite trouble. RL religions like the chantry in this game were all created by man and continues to be humanities greatest lie.

That is all I am saying here. This topic will get me in trouble. Believe what you will, just understand and accept not everyone agrees with you.

[Br3admax]

 

Settle down, Skippy.

 

Anyway, I'm basing my thoughts on my playthroughs.

 

Your playthroughs of Dragon Age 2? Maybe that's the problem. Of course even then, Orsino blocked Meredith at every turn, walked out the Tower of Magi, and began preaching on the streets. Mages were allowed to leave the Tower and were able to have an entire coup prepared. I'm not sure what you're basing this on but it's definitely not on anything said in game by a sane person. 

[twizbuck]

 

 

 

Your playthroughs of Dragon Age 2? Maybe that's the problem. Of course even then, Orsino blocked Meredith at every turn, walked out the Tower of Magi, and began preaching on the streets. Mages were allowed to leave the Tower and were able to have an entire coup prepared. I'm not sure what you're basing this on but it's definitely not on anything said in game by a sane person. 

 

 

Of both games, thanks. It's not really worth arguing this.

[Br3admax]

Forgive me for asking for something to actually back up the claim you made. It's not really a big deal, but if you're going to slander, you could at least give examples. 

[TheJiveDJ]

I roll my characters as atheists usually. Sometimes I'll roll a religious PC just to see differences in the story. Also, I've never really liked the distinction between agnostics and atheists as they address two completely different issues (knowledge and belief, respectively). One can be both agnostic and atheist.

[twizbuck]

Forgive me for asking for something to actually back up the claim you made. It's not really a big deal, but if you're going to slander, you could at least give examples. 

 

Slander what? A video game?

[Nayawk]

I'm an Atheist (rapid you might say) and I view the chantry the same way I view all man made religions, made up stories to entertain the masses.  

 

That said... I play all and every level of pro and anti chantry characters, because my characters aren't me and this is just a game, there is enough religious injustice in the world without getting worked up about pretend ones.  

 

My fav play through is actually my Amell mage Warden who is devoutly Andrastian and extremely pro chantry/pro circle and thinks the templars do a wonderful job and spent most of the game just wishing she could go home.

[SnakeCode]

I'm an Atheist and I think that the chantry ultimately does more good than bad. I'd rather have the chantry in a world like Thedas than not.

 

They protect the regular folk, provide charity, shelter in times of need, so they keep a few mages locked away. That too is a good thing for your regular serf, protection of the majority should always come before the comfort of an extremely dangerous minority. And even then they provide the mages with superior living conditions (and education) to everyone except the richest of nobles.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Another incompetent organization that can't do their job and i have to clean after them as other such organizations need to be put down and replaced with competent and effective organization pretty much that is it.

[Xilizhra]

I'm an Atheist and I think that the chantry ultimately does more good than bad. I'd rather have the chantry in a world like Thedas than not.

 

They protect the regular folk, provide charity, shelter in times of need, so they keep a few mages locked away. That too is a good thing for your regular serf, protection of the majority should always come before the comfort of an extremely dangerous minority. And even then they provide the mages with superior living conditions (and education) to everyone except the richest of nobles.

Most people don't have armored doom sentinels watching them at every turn and obliterating any notions of privacy, not to mention the whole "be fed to a demon or have your emotions ripped out" thing, not to mention that you can just have your emotions ripped out at any given time if the powers that be feel you're too weak, if you're an apprentice. It's easy to say "better living conditions" when you don't have to actually live there and emotionally see the templars as just a few more random NPCs.

[Br3admax]

Too bad the powers that be are other mages, not the Templars. 

[Xilizhra]

Too bad the powers that be are other mages, not the Templars. 

Regrettably, they are frequently complicit in the system's continuance. I find it little more acceptable for enchanters to authorize Tranquility than for templars to enact it.

[KaiserShep]

If only they rendered Tom Riddle tranquil, none of this would have happened.

[LobselVith8]

Regrettably, they are frequently complicit in the system's continuance. I find it little more acceptable for enchanters to authorize Tranquility than for templars to enact it.

 

It can be an issue of feeling pressured to do so, even if the First Enchanter believes another course of action should be taken. We know from the Magi Origin that the First Enchanter can sign off on the Rite of Tranquility without seeing the evidence against the mage in question, and that the First Enchanter can feel pressured into doing so as a matter of survival in the Circle (which is what Irving talks about when he discusses Jowan's Rite, and how if it was up to him, things would be different).

 

In the conversation, Irving admits, "Greagoir says he has proof - and eyewitness testimony - that Jowan has been practicing blood magic. I cannot say more. Were it left to me, things might be different. But the Chantry..." If some First Enchanters feel compelled to do this, even if they disagree with the course of action being taken, it adds another context to the mages who have been made tranquil in the Chantry controlled Circles.

 

Irving later cautions the mage protagonist, "If you want to survive you must learn the rules and realize that sometimes, sacrifices are necessary."

[Master Warder Z_]

never mind the fact that the Templars had a witness and their accusation turned out to be correct eh lob?

[Br3admax]

Regrettably, they are frequently complicit in the system's continuance. I find it little more acceptable for enchanters to authorize Tranquility than for templars to enact it.

Templars enact it because the Circle wants them too most of the time. Jowan says the Circle makes those they feel are too weak willed go through the rite as well. Mages aren't being complacent to the system. They are system.  

[Magister Caedus]

 

Irving later cautions the mage protagonist, "If you want to survive you must learn the rules and realize that sometimes, sacrifices are necessary."

Woah, is it just me, or is there a bit of fridge brilliance there... that applies to life in the Circle, certainly, but couldn't that also apply to the entirety of the story of DA:O?

 

More on topic: Personally, I'm might be a little bit of a mage supremacist, and thus dislike the Chantry for conditioning people to hate and fear mages. But mostly I take issue with the templars, not the Chantry as a whole - they do do good work for a lot of people in Thedas. All this being said I tend to play the game from my character's perspective, and I tend to play characters of all religious affiliations at least once at some point. I still can't bring myself to play an anti-mage character though. It's like role-playing a paladin in D&D... I just can't do it.

[Zombie_Alexis]

I'm an atheist but that has no bearing on how I role play. 

[Drasanil]

This Is a really dumb topic only looking to incite trouble. RL religions like the chantry in this game were all created by man and continues to be humanities greatest lie.

That is all I am saying here. This topic will get me in trouble. Believe what you will, just understand and accept not everyone agrees with you.

 

Claims topic is designed to incite trouble; goes out of his way to make the first truly venomous post while professing his innocence. There's no prophecy quite like a self-fulfilling prophecy eh? 

 

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I'm Christian, though not especially pious/devout/whatever. That said, I'm mostly indifferent to the Chantry, in part because it feels like there really isn't much to the religion at all besides what it does as a political entity [ie: keep an eye on the mages and get in spats with Tevinter... over the mages...], there are very few religious trappings or observances or what not. In other words it really feels like a superficial facsimile of monotheism with out any meat on the bones.

 

Oddly, I'm more interested in the Dalish and Old Tevinter pantheons, because they seem to have more room for additional legends and expansion of the lore. As opposed to say the Chantry where the best you can pretty much hope for in additional lore is say finding out that the Maker has decided to stop paying attention again for a third time: 

 

"And lo! Did the Maker sayeth for the third time unto humanity... I'm going out for a pack of smokes I'll be back in five minutes!" - Apocrypha Canticles of Bob. 

[Tootles FTW]

People will always find something to justify their behavior, whether it's a religious source or not, therefore I tend not to judge the tree based on a rotten fruit or two (same with the templars & mages, actually).  That being said, I judge the Chantry as a neutral entity bolstered by the followers doing Good and likewise tarnished by the Bad.  

I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to spread its ideals on its behalf, though.

[Magdalena11]

How does not sure count?  Never seen or known God.  Don't know if he or she exists.  I was raised to believe, but so far, none of the promises have come true.  I think there's more to life than what we see.  Or at least, I hope there is.  In a lot of life, I haven't known the faith of the people I admire most.  It wasn't something we talked about.  I do know that if I'm on my own, I'm out of luck, because no one is ever going to redeem me, ever.  Frankly, I've done a lot of stuff I won't admit to anyone.  I really hope life isn't the end, because if it is, I'm pretty well scr3wed there too.  Life's miserable and then you die. What an epitaph.  

[Celtic Latino]

I was raised religious IRL and practiced a variety of spiritualities over the years but now lean more towards Agnosticism/Pantheism (basically skeptical but open).

Not bothered by the Chantry at all. Even in fantasy its human nature to have myths and ascribe understandings and history to some form of religious legend. Being someone who finds religion extremely interesting (IRL I love archaeology and history surrounding religion, including perspectives, debates, and such), I wouldn't mind seeing more schisms and perspectives Andrasrians have.

And IMHO I'd much rather deal with the Chantry than the Qun. At least the Chantry leaves room for interpretation.

[KoorahUK]

I'm atheist but I'll be playing a devout Andrastian Holy Warrior because Role Play.