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[The Ascendant]

I've always had a fascination with the darker aspects of magic and my previous Mage Warden and Hawke were both blood mages. With the introduction of the Necromancer specialization and previous examples of necromancy in the games make me wonder if blood magic is an aspect of the specialization. Afterall raising the dead can hardly be seen as a benign act. What are your thoughts and opinions?

[AshesEleven]

I don't believe it is, but I could be very wrong.  

[BloodKaiden]

I don't think its blood magic. Entropy spell tree is pretty dark but not frowned upon by the Chantry to the extent blood magic is. BM draws power from blood and not mana, so technically no.

[Icy Magebane]

As I understand it, necromancy can be enhanced by the use of blood magic and certain advanced necromancies seem to require the use of ritualistic blood magic to work, but it varies based on the spell in question.  Animate Dead from DA:O was more of a telekinetic manipulation of bones and Nevarrans force spirits into mummified corpses as part of their religious practices, but neither is dependent on blood magic.  On the other hand Quentin and Gascard Du Puis from DA2 both used blood magic in their necromancy, and in Quentin's case, it seemed vital for his spell to work properly... based on what they've said about the removal of the blood mage spec, I assume that the DA:I version will be more like what we saw in DA:O, but that's just a guess.

[Willowhugger]

I've always had a fascination with the darker aspects of magic and my previous Mage Warden and Hawke were both blood mages. With the introduction of the Necromancer specialization and previous examples of necromancy in the games make me wonder if blood magic is an aspect of the specialization. Afterall raising the dead can hardly be seen as a benign act. What are your thoughts and opinions?

 

it's a respected school in Nevarra, so probably not.

[Br3admax]

No. Blood magic was so far more story OP than the others, so when classes became more important, they removed it.

[raging_monkey]

Most necromancers we've seen have used BM to "enhance" their spells but the line is often blurred on whats "necromancy"

[Willowhugger]

I suspect the answer will turn out to be, "Yes, but most mages aren't stupid enough to be public Blood Mages like the Warden and Hawke."

[animedreamer]

No..

 

 

But blood magic can be used to enhance any form of magic including necromancy. Think of Blood Magic as a innate source of lyrium, in that it can be used in place of lyrium to perform the most powerful forms of magic, or simply power magic in general. Within the school of blood magic there exist likely various unique powers that can do things like mind control/body control, cause people to explode and so on. 

[Gtdef]

I wouldn't be quick to assume that necromancy will be about raising the dead.

 

Sure the name points to it but it can be associated with different schools, like entropy, the old spirit tree (walking bomb in particular). But if it's about raising the dead, it's probably some form of demonology. I don't think there is a different way to do it. I'm not sure if that's considered blood magic. After all we've seen blood spells in the game that don't require the cutting of an artery (like the spell Idunna uses).

 

As far as spirit school goes. In DAO animate dead was in the same line as Walking Bomb. This indicates that the walking bomb spell uses the same mechanics lore wise. In both cases it seems like messing with the lifeforce of the enemy but that's too imprecise to draw any conclusions.

 

The info is a bit contradictory tbh. I think that's a question only a dev can answer.

[HiroVoid]

There wouldn't be much point in taking away the blood magic school only for necromancy to be a form of blood magic.

[Hydwn]

Yeah, as others have said it's practised in Nevarra - Cassandra's homeland - with the chantry looking over the shoulder of the necromancers.  It's legal, so it can't be blood magic.  They do bind spirits into the bodies of corpses, though.

 

My guess is that the Inquisitor will be a respectable, Nevarran necromancer - which will creep people out, but not be technically against the law.  I'm guessing necromancy can be practised without blood magic, and that non-evil spirits can be summoned into corpses, Justice-style.  It might also absorb some spells of the entropy school, as others have said.

[TTTX]

No, because necromancy isn't band from the circle of magic, Blood magic is.

[NextArishok]

No, because necromancy isn't band from the circle of magic, Blood magic is.

So Death Magic isn't banned, but Blood is? 

[Icy Magebane]

So Death Magic isn't banned, but Blood is? 

You must keep in mind that blood magic can be used to dominate minds and that spells cast using blood cannot be disrupted by the Templars' powers the way that mana-based spells can be.  It would be impossible to keep the mages contained if they were allowed to practice blood magic freely.  Necromancy may be distasteful, but there is no innate reason to outright ban it.

[TTTX]

So Death Magic isn't banned, but Blood is? 

Most of the countries in Thedas burn their dead to ash, and blood magic can be used to summon demons and mind control while Death magic only works on the dead.

[Fistian Handsome]

I don't think so. Blood Magic is blood magic, and Necromancy is Necromancy. Of course one can use BM to increase power of Necromantic spells, but they can do the same with every other type of spell. Some look upon Necromancy with disdain, but it isn't considered an inherently evil way to cast spells like BM is. 

[Gtdef]

Blood magic isn't really banned. They use phylacteries for example. I think it was Gaider that confirmed that phylacteries are a form of blood magic.

 

It seems that most forms of controlling and manipulating the blood and lifeforce are allowed but mind control, demonology and the usage of blood as a power source are banned.

[HiroVoid]

Blood magic isn't really banned. They use phylacteries for example. I think it was Gaider that confirmed that phylacteries are a form of blood magic.

 

It seems that most forms of controlling and manipulating the blood and lifeforce are allowed but mind control, demonology and the usage of blood as a power source are banned.

Blood magic is entirely banned, but the chantry seems to make exceptions with certain mages when they believe it can be helpful with the most prominent example being Adralla's study of it.

[Icy Magebane]

Blood magic isn't really banned. They use phylacteries for example. I think it was Gaider that confirmed that phylacteries are a form of blood magic.

 

It seems that most forms of controlling and manipulating the blood and lifeforce are allowed but mind control, demonology and the usage of blood as a power source are banned.

Unsanctioned blood magic is punishable by death.  I think that's more than enough grounds to consider it commonly "banned."

[Iakus]

The Spirit and Entropy schools have some definite necromancy-like effects, so it's not necessarily blood magic.

[Gtdef]

Unsanctioned blood magic is punishable by death.  I think that's more than enough grounds to consider it commonly "banned."

 

Still some practices are allowed. I noticed that when npcs explain the dangers of blood magic, they always say that a blood mage can get into your head. I think this is the only reason it's punishable by death. Because someone that can get into your head can't be contained. Of course that's conjecture but still it makes some sense, even if only cause the lore is plausible.

[NoForgiveness]

So I didn't really see anyone say this so I'll go ahead and add it..... necromancy is basically just summoning a spirit of some kind into a dead body. The spirit can be a demon or like a lesser spirit. The more powerful undead like revenants and Arcane horrors would definitely require a demon(and even a specific type), but somehow I doubt we'll be able to do anything like that. So my guess would be no blood magic. I think it'd be more focused on summoning the regular skeleton guys.

[Br3admax]

So I didn't really see anyone say this so I'll go ahead and add it..... necromancy is basically just summoning a spirit of some kind into a dead body. The spirit can be a demon or like a lesser spirit. The more powerful undead like revenants and Arcane horrors would definitely require a demon(and even a specific type), but somehow I doubt we'll be able to do anything like that. So my guess would be no blood magic. I think it'd be more focused on summoning the regular skeleton guys.

That's not how this type of necromancy works, since what you're describing requires blood magic. 

[NoForgiveness]

That's not how this type of necromancy works, since what you're describing requires blood magic. 

 

That's how all necromancy works.... demons would require blood magic, while other spirits would fall into the spirit school.