Droney is like that - you'll just have to ignore him. Although abrasive and callous, he is trying to make a point.
We are discussing something here that is subjective; it is different to each and every one of us.
No, not even close. Forgiveness won't come until the endings are left buried in an unmarked grave.
And even then they will not be forgotten.
So True
It's all good Tony - here's hoping Droney is willing to offer some counter to the claim that ME3 artlessly celebrates the virtue of choosing between three horrific war crimes for cheap effect.
War crimes. Bwhahahahaha.
War crimes. Bwhahahahaha.
Feel free to put me straight by all means.
You're honestly going to argue war crimes when trying to stop beings that kill all sentient life in the galaxy?
And besides, Shepard's kill count is in the deep thousands by the time he reaches the Catalyst, he's God and Jesus, had the chance to commit genocide multiple times (and not just in ME3) and... really, nonsense to argue. Your options are having the entire galaxy killed or make a sacrifice.
But go on, be high and mighty, and pick refuse. They made it especially for people like you who'd rather have everybody die than make a sacrifice.
You're honestly going to argue war crimes when trying to stop beings that kill all sentient life in the galaxy?
And besides, Shepard's kill count is in the deep thousands by the time he reaches the Catalyst, he's God and Jesus, had the chance to commit genocide multiple times (and not just in ME3) and... really, nonsense to argue. Your options are having the entire galaxy killed or make a sacrifice.
But go on, be high and mighty, and pick refuse. They made it especially for people like you who'd rather have everybody die than make a sacrifice.
Yes, much better the game require its players roleplay a hypocrite and coward in embracing the horrifying values and beliefs of the enemy in pursuit of victory. It wont do for me that's for sure, but fill your boots by all means.
Well, they certainly did make it bittersweet - no doubt about it. I believe Mac stated that they will not go that route on endings in the future though.
Yes, much better the game require its players roleplay a hypocrite and coward in embracing the horrifying values and beliefs of the enemy in pursuit of victory. It wont do for me that's for sure, but fill your boots by all means.
War makes hypocrites out of us all. Just ask Harry Truman.
The irony is, you're complaining about the best part of a very flawed ending. The literate criticism of the endings is that no character that experienced what Commander Shepherd had experienced would ever pick control or synthesis.
Well, they certainly did make it bittersweet - no doubt about it. I believe Mac stated that they will not go that route on endings in the future though.
Sigh! The philistines appear to have won.
Well, they certainly did make it bittersweet - no doubt about it. I believe Mac stated that they will not go that route on endings in the future though.
And in the same breath declared they would not have done ME3 any differently.
So I'm doubtful anything was truly learned.
Well, they certainly did make it bittersweet - no doubt about it. I believe Mac stated that they will not go that route on endings in the future though.
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Yes, much better the game require its players roleplay a hypocrite and coward in embracing the horrifying values and beliefs of the enemy in pursuit of victory. It wont do for me that's for sure, but fill your boots by all means.
The only coward here is the Shepard that refuses to save the galaxy because of morals.
Seems pretty obvious to me. When people spend tons of time complaining about something that's optional, it's because that thing means a lot to them. No one complains more about a sports team's performance than its most devoted fans. The annals of video game history are littered with fans wailing and promising to boycott sequels. Those fans, always buy the following games.
The sort of gamer who won't buy ME4 is the kind who bought ME3, thought it sucked, and then completely forgot about it a few months later. Everyone posting on these forums years before the next Mass Effect game is released will buy it.
I'd rather think that people (like me) who thought ME3 sucked and complained about it will be far more cautious about the next game, not wanting to be burned again. Just because we loved what Mass Effect used to be doesn't mean we will continue to throw good money after bad.
We're not sheep waiting to be sheared, you know. Whatever Bioware or EA may think
The only coward here is the Shepard that refuses to save the galaxy because of morals.
That the game would make a massive fool of anyone attempting to role-play a morally virtuous Shep whilst rewarding those willing to role-play an amoral genocidal totalitarian nut-job is actually kind of my point!
Ethics are for losers! 
Maaaaaan, I'm loving this! 
This argument is such a copy paste of every single one about the ending in the last 2,5 years. 
Oh but wait, it's the same people who argue about it as 1 and 2 and 2,5 years ago. Go on boys! You may yet reach that 5 year mark! 
That the game would make a massive fool of anyone attempting to role-play a morally virtuous Shep whilst rewarding those willing to role-play an amoral genocidal totalitarian nut-job is actually kind of my point!
Boo-hoo-hoo. Morality has no place in a conflict where all life in the galaxy is at stake, against beings with no emotions.
Those Shepards should lose. Pick refuse, they made it for people like you.
You don't have the option to be moral. Period. You can't win that way. If that bothers you so much, then the Reapers win. If you can't get off your high and mighty attitude, the Catalyst/Reapers win. You're not fit for the battle.
Boo-hoo-hoo. Morality has no place in a conflict..
Stopped reading there. Care to try again (this time without the tears)?
Good, skipping over the most important part of what I said. Brilliant. That's how you win your arguments? By leaving out the most important parts? Great going man.
You can be moral and ethic all you want as long as that's an option, but its not an option in the decision chamber. Being moral and ethic there doesn't just mean you rack up a loss, it means you doom everyone in existence, it's an utter defeat with no chance of recuperation.
If in such a situation you choose to be moral, I'm glad your genes will be removed from the gene pool. Sadly, it means you destroy the gene pool altogether.
How is that being moral? That's the most immoral thing there is.
Do you somehow think you make a point against me by underlining those things about the ending to ME3 that make it an absolute disgrace? Are you reading this Mac Walters?
Do you somehow think you make a point against me by underlining those things about the ending to ME3 that make it an absolute disgrace? Are you reading this Mac Walters?
They are exactly what makes the ending great. You can't save everyone, it's not a happy Hollywood ending where everybody hugs and kisses at the end. That's great, I love it.
You're just a child that didn't get his fairytale ending, and you still cry about it 2-3 years to date. Like a baby that didn't get the christmas present he wanted.
And then gamers wonder why they are seen as entitled whiners.
Shepard can kill the rachni in ME1/3, betray Wrex and the Krogan in ME3 , shoot Mordin in the back (also ME3), he/she can let the geth kill the quarians and betray Tali in the rannoch arc, and finally can kill the Geth in either rannoch or after using the criucible. So that really isn't a good argument since Shepard can wipe out species and betray firends in the whole trilogy.It's all good Tony - here's hoping Droney is willing to offer some counter to the claim that ME3 artlessly celebrates the virtue of choosing between three horrific war crimes for cheap effect.
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