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[Hanako Ikezawa]

I dump Anders and let him live 90% of the time.   The other 10% I run off with him.

 

The Chantry/Templars have become too corrupt and have strayed from the path. I also cannot forget the fact that Alain was being raped in his quarters.   

So you support a man who justifies every single fear the Chantry has about mages, as well as a man who condemns an entire Circle of mages, the people he is supposedly trying to help, to death in order to just send a message instead?

 

And Alain is only raped if you spare Ser Karras. If he dies, Alain has no problems. 

[DeityDi]

 

I don't know anymore what to make of him. He says conflicting things most of the times. 

Guh. I hate being uncertain about something in DA, it was much easier not to think about him at all.

 

Sebastian is a very polarizing character it seems.

What's got so many people up in arms about him?

Haha, do you even need to ask? Varric dislikes him. Varric. It says something.

Also, I personally don't like "born-again" people. He was extreme when he was slutty and he still extreme. He can't be at peace with himself, it's all or nothing for him. I see it as a weakness.

[lane]

 

yeah i've see this one , it feels nice to know he can get his head out of anderste crotch and use it to think .but i can't help but go enemy with him

[Colbyachi]

Sebastian is a very polarizing character it seems.

What's got so many people up in arms about him?

For me, it's his threat to reclaim the throne just to hunt down Anders. This doesn't bother me if it wasn't for the fact that other mages will likely die by Sebastian and his troops because Anders will want to be among his people to help lead them if they would follow

[NoForgiveness]

I'd actually really love it if that storyline got to play out. Especially since I am always full friendship with sebastian. It'd be a nice friendicide. Guess it's too late now.

[Willowhugger]

For me, it's his threat to reclaim the throne just to hunt down Anders. This doesn't bother me if it wasn't for the fact that other mages will likely die by Sebastian and his troops because Anders will want to be among his people to help lead them if they would follow

 

Well, he's not hunting mages. He's bringing an army specifically to kill you.

 

Mostly because he'd be a moron to attack you with anything less.

 

Of course, how much is hyperbole and heat of the moment is debatable.

You are, however, an accessory after the fact (if you didn't help Anders make his bomb) to a massive act of terrorism. Plus, you've said, "No big deal" in front of him.

 

I'm just surprised why so many people hold this against Sebastian versus Leliana and the Urn. Killing his surrogate mother is a bigger deal than a sacred relic.

[CENIC]

I don't know anymore what to make of him. He says conflicting things most of the times. 
Guh. I hate being uncertain about something in DA, it was much easier not to think about him at all.

This is exactly why I like him

He doesn't fit neatly into a one-dimensional trope. You know, like a real person.

[Willowhugger]

Haha, do you even need to ask? Varric dislikes him. Varric. It says something.

Also, I personally don't like "born-again" people. He was extreme when he was a ****** and he still extreme. He can't be at peace with himself, it's all or nothing for him. I see it as a weakness.

 

I don't get what's hard to get about Sebastian.

 

He's not Anti-Mage or Pro-Templar.

He's Pro-Chantry.

 

The three aren't synonymous.

 

If he'd just get over his sexual hangups, he'd effectively be the Male Leliana.

[Colbyachi]

Well, he's not hunting mages. He's bringing an army specifically to kill you.

 

Mostly because he'd be a moron to attack you with anything less.

 

Of course, how much is hyperbole and heat of the moment is debatable.

You are, however, an accessory after the fact (if you didn't help Anders make his bomb) to a massive act of terrorism. Plus, you've said, "No big deal" in front of him.

 

I'm just surprised why so many people hold this against Sebastian versus Leliana and the Urn. Killing his surrogate mother is a bigger deal than a sacred relic.

But that's the thing, if you keep Anders alive and side with mages you will be with other mages most likely. I don't care how good of a leader he might become, there is no way he could make his men only try to kill you/anders without causing the mages to get involved. I understand why he wants to kill us, I just hope there isn't to much collateral damage because of it.

[Ruairi46]

I don't get what's hard to get about Sebastian.

 

He's not Anti-Mage or Pro-Templar.

He's Pro-Chantry.

 

The three aren't synonymous.

 

If he'd just get over his sexual hangups, he'd effectively be the Male Leliana.

The more interesting of the three. I do like me some pro chantry Sebastion.

[Ravensword]

Sebastian is a very polarizing character it seems.

What's got so many people up in arms about him?

His overly pious nature?

[Willowhugger]

But that's the thing, if you keep Anders alive and side with mages you will be with other mages most likely. I don't care how good of a leader he might become, there is no way he could make his men only try to kill you/anders without causing the mages to get involved. I understand why he wants to kill us, I just hope there isn't to much collateral damage because of it.

 

Yeah, probably.

 

In my case, I used to spare Anders until I met Sebastian. I never came to like the Grand Cleric and she despised my Hawke for Rivaling Sebastian (which didn't seem to be Rivaling so much as encouraging him to be more assertive in a "Big Brother" sort of way) but he convinced me to kill Anders because of her. Sebastian put a face to all the horrified Kirkwallers who were watching my MageHawke right now.

 

Asking:

"Are you our protector from evil mages?"

 

Or

 

"Are you with your fellow mages, good or ill?"

 

I, sadly, became the "Not All Mages" guy. The guy who had to point out not all mages were terrorists and Blood Mages in a party with a mage terrorist and a Blood Mage.

 

The Token Good Mage since Bethany was dead.

 

But at least I put my money where my mouth was and even Fenris respected that.

[ShadowLordXII]

Sebastian is a very polarizing character it seems.

What's got so many people up in arms about him?

 

Being day-1 dlc doesn't help

[AlexiaRevan]

 

 

I don't get what's hard to get about Sebastian.
 

For me it is the fact that 1)he is pro chantry , 2) he only found his ball when the chantry blow . The whole time he was tip toeing around the Qunari issue , meredith/orsino . No , no balls there . But Blow up the chantry ? and he get a spine ? that come off hypocrite in my book and I hate that . 3)the fact that once he find his spine , he will use it for revenge.....right . 4)black mailing Hawk in killing Anders ? why doesnt he do it himself then own up to it to Hawk ? right.....

So thats why for me . 

[Willowhugger]

Being day-1 dlc doesn't help

 

I generally am okay with D1 DLC and so on.

 

However, I will say that the game would have benefited tremendously if MOTA, Legacy, and Sebastian had been part of the game from Day1.

 

I didn't mind paying for it but the game feels "more complete" with them.

[lane]

So you support a man who justifies every single fear the Chantry has about mages, as well as a man who condemns an entire Circle of mages, the people he is supposedly trying to help, to death in order to just send a message instead?

 

And Alain is only raped if you spare Ser Karras. If he dies, Alain has no problems. 

wow....i'll just say to reread your text and see the wrong yourself . don't you find it weird that Alain is raped if karras live ? ...have the RIGHT to violate him ! how many mages have he raped ,how many mages this sadist alric raped tranquilized cause he have the power. the order is corrupted the right of tranquilitiy used on whims and harowed mages, and anders message will free millions of mages around the world. its not a mere message its the SHOUT For FREEDOM something a whole kind have been neglected ! its freedom we're talking about how can people not understand ! how can they not see what have been made it the sole name of this prime right in our very real world.  and the fire is sometimes the only solution to cleanse .something bioware got. 

am not getting into this again i've said enough long ago for the righteous people.

[Tevinter Rose]

I played a radical pro mage Hawke and I ended up feeling ambivalent about Sebastian. I don't think he'd actually go through with any of his threats though, and if he did my Hawke would not be really scared of him.

[BlazingSpeed]

If that cancelled Exalted March DLC was really about Sebastian making due on his promise to rally Starkhaven's forces (which he does whether you kill Anders or not), and if the DLC was really fully or almost fully incorporated into Inquisition as the very early dev comments about DAI would say - yes, I want Sebastian back. I want him back in full force, leading both Starkhaven and Chantry forces, becoming the man he was always meant to be.

 

I don't care if you like him or not, agree with him or not, the potential for good storytelling in this subplot is too good to throw away. We're always complaining that things we do don't have major impact in the long run; think of all the possibilities for follow through that could come from Sebastian reappearing, changed and tempered by the events of DA2. He could be your enemy, he could be your ally, but something's still hanging from that open ending, and it needs to be addressed again.

 

If Bioware pushes stories instead of really interesting ones that could seal the fate of Thedas like Cory and the Architect then "ugh" there are so many more interesting side stories available than Sebastian the starkraving mad over one bad character choice than Ishmael from the DA novels? Come on ...

[AlexiaRevan]

Well even if he did , and he wouldnt go after Hawk (or Hawk is not afraid of him) ...he could go after others peoples who are innocent . He could give alot of grief and trouble say to Aveline . Hunt down Isabela , Arrest Fenris (for his past)...I mean..he could create alot of trouble . 

[Willowhugger]

wow....i'll just say to reread your text and see the wrong yourself . don't you find it weird that Alain is raped if karras live ? ...have the RIGHT to violate him ! how many mages have he raped ,how many mages this sadist alric raped tranquilized cause he have the power. the order is corrupted the right of tranquilitiy used on whims and harowed mages, and anders message will free millions of mages around the world. its not a mere message its the SHOUT For FREEDOM something a whole kind have been neglected ! its freedom we're talking about how can people not understand ! how can they not see what have been made it the sole name of this prime right in our very real world.  and the fire is sometimes the only solution to cleanse .something bioware got. 

am not getting into this again i've said enough long ago for the righteous people.

My Hawke sided with the Mages.

My Hawke ALWAYS sided with the Mages.

My hawke will free magekind.

 

But the price will be stopping the evil mages of the world.

And poor deluded fools like Anders.

[Colbyachi]

Yeah, probably.

 

In my case, I used to spare Anders until I met Sebastian. I never came to like the Grand Cleric and she despised my Hawke for Rivaling Sebastian (which didn't seem to be Rivaling so much as encouraging him to be more assertive in a "Big Brother" sort of way) but he convinced me to kill Anders because of her. Sebastian put a face to all the horrified Kirkwallers who were watching my MageHawke right now.

 

Asking:

"Are you our protector from evil mages?"

 

Or

 

"Are you with your fellow mages, good or ill?"

 

I, sadly, became the "Not All Mages" guy. The guy who had to point out not all mages were terrorists and Blood Mages in a party with a mage terrorist and a Blood Mage.

 

The Token Good Mage since Bethany was dead.

 

But at least I put my money where my mouth was and even Fenris respected that.

The whole thing boils down to what you think is more important, the chance of freedom or the notice of security. Killing Anders would help bring security in the form that you now have Sebastian as a willing ally to either hawke, or to the chantry. I leave him alive particularly due to the fact that I'm from America. I see the mage's struggle for freedom in a similar light because they are just tired of being oppressed. Freedom of mages will chnage the wolrd, maybe or worse or maybe for the better, but what do he gain if we take that chance away from them? 

Sorry for going off topic slightly but that ties into my choice because I see Anders as a potential leader of the mage cause that can make a true difference.  

[DeityDi]

And poor deluded fools like Anders.

I don't see how he's a fool. He knew too well what awaits him, he never though he'll survive this. And I don't tnink he doesn't feel giulty, despite all he ever said. He knew what he had to do, even if it means he will become something he hated the most. Kill the spader, save the butterfly. And become a spider yourself.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

wow....i'll just say to reread your text and see the wrong yourself . don't you find it weird that Alain is raped if karras live ? ...have the RIGHT to violate him ! how many mages have he raped ,how many mages this sadist alric raped tranquilized cause he have the power. the order is corrupted the right of tranquilitiy used on whims and harowed mages, and anders message will free millions of mages around the world. its not a mere message its the SHOUT For FREEDOM something a whole kind have been neglected ! its freedom we're talking about how can people not understand ! how can they not see what have been made it the sole name of this prime right in our very real world.  and the fire is sometimes the only solution to cleanse .something bioware got. 

am not getting into this again i've said enough long ago for the righteous people.

Did I ever say he had the right? I did not. All I said was Alain is only raped if Karras is alive. As for having the right, you don't see the fact that Karras threatens Alain to keep it quiet means that he doesn't have the right and would get in trouble if discovered? Same as how Alrik threatens the men under his command to keep his secret Tranquil Solution and what he does to the Tranquilized mages secret as well.

 

As for Anders, the fact is he was not acting as an avatar for the mages' interests. He was acting for his. The Kirkwall Circle didn't approve of his actions, but couldn't speak of it because Anders deemed it better they die 'for the cause', and the rest Circle of Magi write him off as a madman. All Anders ever did for mages was justify people's fear of them. And I am someone who supports mages getting more rights. 

[Willowhugger]

I don't see how he's a fool. He knew too well what awaits him, he never though he'll survive this. And I don't tnink he doesn't feel giulty, despite all he ever said. He knew what he had to do, even if it means he will become something he hated the most.

 

Maybe.

My Hawke did the only thing a true friend could do in that moment and give him the peace he deserved.

[Grieving Natashina]

You mean the guy that spent about 7 years utterly divided between God and country?  The one that seemed to be the only companion that lacked any conviction?  Say what you want about the rest of the crew, but all of them had beliefs (for better and for worse) that they truly stuck to.  Sebastian seems to lack a real personality, and that isn't on the writers.  I think that was the point: To show someone so torn between two ideals that his own identity is in free-fall.

 

That being said, his threat is utterly empty.  By the time he secures his throne, regains trust of the people, and trains/builds his army up, Anders will be long gone (either dead or out of the Free Marches.)  There really wouldn't be a point to attacking Kirkwall, and hopefully Seb has grown up enough by now to realize that. I really do think it'll take awhile for Sebastian to get all of that going.  A fair estimation (at least I'd think so,) depending upon the strength of his advisers, army, economy and allies, would be about 3-4 years before the kingdom would be stable enough for an attack on another Free City.  

 

Remember, there was a puppet king on the throne in Starkhaven during DA2, a distant cousin of Sebastian's that was placed there by his family's enemies.  Even Seb (who's normally pretty patient) called him an idiot.  A lot of rulers like that tend to have a lot of "trusted advisers" that would be happy to funnel the royal funds towards their own personal gains.  Or those rulers are just extravagant spenders themselves   That could be a real economic disaster and one that would certainly take some time to clean up.  I figure that, by the time his kingdom is stable, (about 9:41 Dragon or so,) he's going to have much bigger problems.

 

He's not a violent man, and he said those things in the heat of the moment.  Once the reality of retaking his throne sets in, he'll calm down.   His kingdom should come before any petty revenge.   With the Breach, he strikes me as the type to protect his people rather than trying to track one apostate all over Thedas.  Assuming of course that the player left Anders alive.

 

_{Oh and before anyone asks, no, I don't like the character.  However, I was trying to be fair here.}