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[CENIC]

I played a radical pro mage Hawke and I ended up feeling ambivalent about Sebastian. I don't think he'd actually go through with any of his threats though, and if he did my Hawke would not be really scared of him.

I'm undecided on whether or not I will recruit Sebastian in world states where Hawke doesn't kill Anders.
I have a radical pro-mage Hawke too, who supported Anders. She has the direct/aggressive personality and I really don't think she would feel threatened by Sebastian.
I also have a noble/diplomatic Hawke who tried to promote peace. She sided with the mages in the end to protect the innocent, and she spared Anders but told him to GTFO. I'd feel bad if that Hawke had to deal with Sebastian later. I hope that if she encouraged him to stay in the Chantry, that influences him somehow - less capable of retaking Starkhaven and making good on his threat?

[Willowhugger]

BTW, if Ser Karras dies, Alain still talks about how Templars ask him to do things.

But this doesn't say anything about the Templar Order itself.

Because Kirkwall is a pit.

 

It's like the Gotham City of Thedas.

[KaiserShep]

If he'd just get over his sexual hangups, he'd effectively be the Male Leliana.

 

I don't think I'd really agree with this. The only things these two really share are being rogues that believe in the Maker. While Leliana would probably respond with violence toward Anders if he blew up the Chantry, Sebastian is a lot more hard-nosed about a lot of things than Leliana is, likely because Leliana did worse things than Sebastian's done in her past.

 

Like, I doubt very much that Sebastian would have approved of sparing Zevran or Sten, like Leliana did.

[AlexiaRevan]

I would have blown the Templar headquaters to be honest . Yes I don't like the chantry , but I can tolerate them . I don't like the fact they hide and preach and inaction mostly . But the real vilainy in my book isn't the chantry , but the Templar . And if it is true (in that book..was it Asunder?) the Templar leave the chantry and become indepandant . Then my status will change toward the chantry and focus on the Templar with whome I'm really at war right deep inside of my soul . 

[KaiserShep]

Isn't the Templar hall basically inside the Circle?

[Willowhugger]

In Sebastian's defense about wishy-washiness, he actually wasn't as torn up about the Church vs. Starkhaven matter as it may seem. You can only recruit Sebastian in Act II and his first focus is on hunting down all of the people involved in his family's murder. That comes first. Sebastian deals with some of them in Act I (regardless of Elthina's opinions on the subject) and then he gets the rest of them in Act II. So either way, Sebastian gets his revenge on the people who murdered his family and overthrew him.

The issue after is basically like Arya Stark.

Do I want to return to Winterfell now that all of the "list" are dead or do I want to continue my new Path as a Faceless One?

Sebastian isn't really all that AMBITIOUS but when he has a goal (avenge his family) he manages to do it.

[Willowhugger]

Isn't the Templar hall basically inside the Circle?

 

Bombing may be out of the question but assassinating Meredith, Karras, and Ser Alrik would have done A LOT of good.

 

Of course, the irony is the Mages WERE concealing a cult of Blood Mages.

So Orsino and his cronies need to go too.

 

So the real irony is that, either way, Hawke killed the worst elements of Kirkwall after it would do any good.

[DeityDi]

Sebastian isn't really all that AMBITIOUS but when he has a goal (avenge his family) he manages to do it.

That could be said about almost anyone.

If a person wants something really bad, he usually gets it. If devs feel like it, that is.

[Tevinter Rose]

I'm undecided on whether or not I will recruit Sebastian in world states where Hawke doesn't kill Anders.
I have a radical pro-mage Hawke too, who supported Anders. She has the direct/aggressive personality and I really don't think she would feel threatened by Sebastian.
I also have a noble/diplomatic Hawke who tried to promote peace. She sided with the mages in the end to protect the innocent, and she spared Anders but told him to GTFO. I'd feel bad if that Hawke had to deal with Sebastian later. I hope that if she encouraged him to stay in the Chantry, that influences him somehow - less capable of retaking Starkhaven and making good on his threat?

 

I think that's a definite possibility. It's why I don't see him going through with any threats, I feel like he could end up being more deeply involved with the Chantry and find some inner peace, stop wanting to seek revenge and let the threat go

[themikefest]

I believe Sebastian would be worried about Starkhaven then going after Anders( if alive) since I'm sure a lot of folks will be after Anders for what he did.

[Willowhugger]

I believe Sebastian would be worried about Starkhaven then going after Anders( if alive) since I'm sure a lot of folks will be after Anders for what he did.

I dunno, the issue of Starkhaven is that the usurpers aren't really that bad.

 

Rivaling Sebastian is about convincing him that he'd be a better monarch than them.

Not about reclaiming any noble rights.

 

You don't see that kind of hesitation from most nobles because most wouldn't actually consider the damage overthrowing someone would do on the civilian populace or care about whether or not they make a better ruler.

[KaiserShep]

Bombing may be out of the question but assassinating Meredith, Karras, and Ser Alrik would have done A LOT of good.

 

Of course, the irony is the Mages WERE concealing a cult of Blood Mages.

So Orsino and his cronies need to go too.

 

So the real irony is that, either way, Hawke killed the worst elements of Kirkwall after it would do any good.

 

Problem is that this irony would be pretty much non-existent for everyone, because in bombing the Circle, any evidence that there was any dealings with blood magic would be lost with all the innocent people killed, including Orsino.

[Willowhugger]

Problem is that this irony would be pretty much non-existent for everyone, because in bombing the Circle, any evidence that there was any dealings with blood magic would be lost with all the innocent people killed, including Orsino.

Sorry, if I wasn't clear, I don't think bombing was a good idea ever.

Killing them through other means might have helped.

However, that would require omniscience on the part of Hawke since aside from the unusually large number of Blood Mages and a letter--there's no evidence Orsino wasn't on the up and up.

[HiroVoid]

i'll just say its sad to see how you completly missed a whole point. i grown to not blame the ones like you, Anders is such a complex character so very profound you need to see beyond the dust and smoke of the explosion to undertand. you need to dig more in his history, go back to awakening,go back to justice, but its something you surely not interested in. thats why i don't blame you. anyway its not that i don't have much arguments or don't want to go further ,but i've aaalready explained this ,and enlighted those who care enough about him. am not going to do it again sorry. i learned that this forum have more issues with him but that okay, there is so much love outside of here for him am not nearly done going through it. I just like to defend him from times to times cause i don't like to stay silent about a character i love .

No reason to be patronizing to another user because someone has a different opinion about a character.

[Willowhugger]

i'll just say its sad to see how you completly missed a whole point. i grown to not blame the ones like you, Anders is such a complex character so very profound you need to see beyond the dust and smoke of the explosion to undertand. you need to dig more in his history, go back to awakening,go back to justice, but its something you surely not interested in. thats why i don't blame you. anyway its not that i don't have much arguments or don't want to go further ,but i've aaalready explained this ,and enlighted those who care enough about him. am not going to do it again sorry. i learned that this forum have more issues with him but that okay, there is so much love outside of here for him am not nearly done going through it. I just like to defend him from times to times cause i don't like to stay silent about a character i love .

 

I know exactly how complex, fascinating, and ultimately good a person Anders was.

 

When I say Hawke killed Anders as a friend, I meant it.

 

He killed him only as a brother and friend could.

Hardest decision I ever made but it was the right decision for my character.

[Tevinter Rose]

Bombing may be out of the question but assassinating Meredith, Karras, and Ser Alrik would have done A LOT of good.

 

 

I would have loved to have gotten the chance to assassinate those three. 

[Grieving Natashina]

i'll just say its sad to see how you completly missed a whole point. i grown to not blame the ones like you, Anders is such a complex character so very profound you need to see beyond the dust and smoke of the explosion to undertand. you need to dig more in his history, go back to awakening,go back to justice, but its something you surely not interested in. thats why i don't blame you. anyway its not that i don't have much arguments or don't want to go further ,but i've aaalready explained this ,and enlighted those who care enough about him. am not going to do it again sorry. i learned that this forum have more issues with him but that okay, there is so much love outside of here for him am not nearly done going through it. I just like to defend him from times to times cause i don't like to stay silent about a character i love .

 

Look, I can understand if you disagree with the poster.  However, saying that they "just don't get Anders" because the character is too complex is really condescending.  Anders is probably the most controversial and divisive character in the DA franchise thus far.  A lot of people dislike him, mainly because they do get the character.  While the Chantry explosion was indeed a breaking point for a lot of players, many of them found reasons not to like him before that.  I like Anders myself, and his tragic story arc, but your tone here is rude.

[Willowhugger]

Anders is a great character.

 

And a tragic one.

I can love him as a player without thinking it needed to keep going past the Hawke knife.

[Grieving Natashina]

BTW, regarding the Keep.

 

Spoiler

Sebastian's recruitment is a choice as is killing/sparing Anders. There's no Rivalry or Friendship choice for him, though.

Just a guess...

 

Spoiler

In that case, I could see the DA team defaulting to the Rivalry path.  It really makes more sense to me that he'd want to help his people, and try to retake his kingdom.  I also think it makes for a potentially more interesting story than if he stayed in the Chantry.

[QueenofFereldan]

I let Anders live after I got Sebestian...I felt bad letting Anders live. He was the only who spoke up about killing Elthina and the murder of innocent people.

[DeityDi]

A lot of people dislike him, mainly because they do get the character.

A lot of people never heard even about the major crimes that happened in the Gallows, some don't believe Fenris and dismiss all the hits about his former master abuses. Some keep asking "what was so bad about Ferelden circle, it looked like Hogwarts in DAO!"

I wouldn't think the majority of people "do get" even 1 character as a whole. 

[Willowhugger]

A lot of people never heard even about the major crimes that happened in the Gallows, some don't believe Fenris and dismiss all the hits about his former master abuses.

I wouldn't think the majority of people "do get" even 1 character as a whole. 

 

Dude, I want to kill every Templar alive and will not be satisfied save unless Inquisition allows the order to be disbanded and its members put on trial.

 

Why can't I hold this position and believe Anders should die for both his sake and the sake of his crimes?

 

Anders was losing himself and would eventually become no better than the Templars themselves.

[Grieving Natashina]

A lot of people never heard even about the major crimes that happened in the Gallows, some don't believe Fenris and dismiss all the hits about his former master abuses.

I wouldn't think the majority of people "do get" even 1 character as a whole. 

Um, I was more referring to his personality, not the crimes in the Gallows (or the players opinions of it.)  His personality and his methods to his motivations are his character, and some just don't like him.  I've seen some very articulate posts about why they don't like him as a person, or what he stands for.  It isn't about who did what to whom in the Gallows, it's about Anders himself.  The way he acts, talks and carries himself really turned a lot of posters off.

 

As for your second comment, well...

 

[AresKeith]

I pretty much killed Anders in all my playthroughs minus one, just to see if Sebastian does follow up on his threat