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[Master Warder Z_]

Those racist humans were trying to steal all their women. What were they supposed to do? 

 

Mmm elven women...

[AresKeith]

This is not shown in game.

 

That's why I want a game set in the Northern Countries, especially Rivain 

[Joseph Warrick]

I would prefer it if the chantry were trying to spread that idea to gain popularity. "Look, a champion of the chantry saved the world. Sign up today!" Some of your companions believe it (Cullen?) while others mock it (Solas?). A message you can deny, ignore, or embrace. Player choice, role playing.
 
It wouldn't be good if he chantry is revealed as objectively correct and the player is basically Jesus 2. Autodialogue of the Inquisitor saying things like "Forgive them, Andraste, for they don't know what they're doing!"

Ah, yes, because the PC can't murder huge loads of people for no reason regardless of race.
"He bothered me."

I always murder the wounded soldier outside of Ostagar for giggles.

[Steelcan]

Had to amend that, forgive me.

prove that the templars were agressive

 

or that they even came in before the exalted march was called

 

 

meanwhile I can prove the elves sacked cities

[Master Warder Z_]

Junar tells Pol that the clan prohibits banditry against humans.

 

Right.

[TTTX]

We probably have to be Herald of Andraste, but people just give people weird titles to the special people who are special. 

[Mr.House]

Ah, yes, because the PC can't murder huge loads of people for no reason regardless of race.

"He bothered me."

I like how you forget that your dalish friend wanted to kill them. But hey keep forgetting stuff just to support your views. Common trait with dalish and mage defenders.

[The Hierophant]

It's not just that. The title really only fits a human inquisitor. Will my Tal-Vashoth or my surface dwarf really want to be called the Herald of Andraste? Um, no. They could care less about a human religion. They have their own beliefs.

But they are in human dominated territory. Aside from the glowing superpower hand, the title seems to justify why humans would follow a qunari or Dalish elf.

[The Hierophant]

Had to amend that, forgive me.

What army?

[LobselVith8]

I thought Orlais invaded the Dales in response to the Dalish's sacking of their towns and cities?

 

We don't know if the attack on Red Crossing was in retaliation to armed human incursion into the Dales (which the Dalish claim started the war), or if the attack was unprovoked, as the Chantry claims. The developers have refused to say which historical account is the correct one, and WoT has never specified which one is true.

[Mistic]

 So where did they forcibly start converting people again? That was only evidence of the Qunari forcing others to submit.

 

Sorry, I thought the discussion was about the Chantry allowing other religions to exist from a theological perspective.

 

If it's about forced conversion, we have the purges in Rivain after the Qunari Wars and the Four Exalted Marches against Tevinter (WoT, p125: "four successive Exalted Marches failed to force the "heretics" into submission"). I know others might mention the Dales and the Circles, but those are more complicated.

[Xilizhra]

It was correct according to WOT you realize?

 

The Human armies didn't march until the Dalish already invaded

Chantry armies were the ones who entered first.

 

 

I like how you forget that your dalish friend wanted to kill them. But hey keep forgetting stuff just to support your views. Common trait with dalish and mage defenders.

Oh, right, you also have an unstable trigger-happy type as a temporary companion. Totally out of place among the backstabbing criminals and killers-on-retainer you can get in other origins, not to mention the two assassins, homicidal golem and amoralist witch who join you permanently?

[Br3admax]

 

If it's about forced conversion, we have the purges in Rivain after the Qunari Wars and the Four Exalted Marches against Tevinter (WoT, p125: "four successive Exalted Marches failed to force the "heretics" into submission"). I know others might mention the Dales and the Circles, but those are more complicated.

We spoke in that, plenty of times, and it seems more like a Rivani thing that everybody elsewhere is trying to act like didn't happen. The Chantry within itself didn't tell them to do it or not to do it. As for Tevinter, that was a war of who got to control the church, not the removing other religion. Civil Wars and all that. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Sorry, I thought the discussion was about the Chantry allowing other religions to exist from a theological perspective.

 

If it's about forced conversion, we have the purges in Rivain after the Qunari Wars and the Four Exalted Marches against Tevinter (WoT, p125: "four successive Exalted Marches failed to force the "heretics" into submission"). I know others might mention the Dales and the Circles, but those are more complicated.

 

Qunari, Tevinter?

 

Please.

 

Both of those things need to be purged with fire!

 

[Mr.House]

Chantry armies were the ones who entered first.

 

 

Oh, right, you also have an unstable trigger-happy type as a temporary companion. Totally out of place among the backstabbing criminals and killers-on-retainer you can get in other origins, not to mention the two assassins, homicidal golem and amoralist witch who join you permanently?

You get Gilmor in HN who was a noble knight, so ya. Keep at it though.

[Br3admax]

Chantry armies were the ones who entered first.

 

Armies might be stretching it.  Soldiers? Yes. Armies? No. Armies aren't sent with missionaries.

[Master Warder Z_]

Chantry armies were the ones who entered first.

 

Uh i don't consider clergy an army but alright.

 

I don't concede the point because that argument is ridiculous.

[Mr.House]

Clergy is a army now guys.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You get Gilmor in HN who was a noble knight, so ya. Keep at it though.

 

Soris was harmless and Gorim was a bro.

 

And you don't have to recruit any of the other undesirables.

[Steelcan]

We don't know if the attack on Red Crossing was in retaliation to armed human Chantry ncursion into the Dales (which the Dalish claim started the war), or if the attack was unprovoked, as the Chantry claims. The developers have refused to say which historical account is the correct one, and WoT has never specified which one is true.

if the vatican sent preachers and body guards into Algeria an invasion of Italy is not warranted

[Xilizhra]

Hatemongers will think of anything to justify their cause.

And yet, funnily enough, we're not the ones trying to eradicate whole cultures, "Anti-Dalish Brigade."

 

 

You get Gilmor in HN who was a noble knight, so ya. Keep at it though.

And your point is... what? Different origins have different spreads of morality among temporary companions? Am I shocked and appalled?

 

In any case, Gilmore/Dog/Eleanor is compared to Tamlen/Merrill/Fenarel, so the "morally upstanding" ratio between origins here is still just 2/3.

[The Hierophant]

We don't know if the attack on Red Crossing was in retaliation to armed human incursion into the Dales (which the Dalish claim started the war), or if the attack was unprovoked, as the Chantry claims. The developers have refused to say which historical account is the correct one, and WoT has never specified which one is true.

So going by both accounts and not using assumptions or conjecture, all that is known is that the Dalish led an attack on a human settlement which led to open conflict between both nations?

[Xilizhra]

Armies might be stretching it.  Soldiers? Yes. Armies? No. Armies aren't sent with missionaries.

Still a blatant violation of border sovereignty with military forces. It was a clear gesture of "we don't give a damn about your borders and will do as we please because we can."

[Master Warder Z_]

Still a blatant violation of border sovereignty with military forces. It was a clear gesture of "we don't give a damn about your borders and will do as we please because we can."

 

"No its called we gave you this land."

 

[LobselVith8]

Clergy is a army now guys.

 

I figured the Dalish historical account reading that the Chantry sent armed and armored soldiers into the Dales, and the elven Warden being able to verbally condemn the Chantry for invading the Dales because the elves wouldn't convert, made it clear that this didn't concern clergy, but armed forces invading a sovereign nation over the religious beliefs of it's inhabitants.