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[KaiserShep]

Man, nuts to the Dalish. Their dickish lot is doomed against the big machine of civilization, and unlike the Na'Vi, they don't have big alien creatures or a forest brain to protect them.

[Xilizhra]

"No its called we gave you this land."

 

Andraste did; neither Orlais nor the Chantry had anything to do with it, and there was never any mention of some kind of legal contract handed down from Andraste to Drakon about how she still owned the place.

[Br3admax]

Still a blatant violation of border sovereignty with military forces. It was a clear gesture of "we don't give a damn about your borders and will do as we please because we can."

Of course. Sending in a few guards is like sending in an army. Let me turn on my super powers before you reply again: 

 

Blessed are they who stand before the corrupt and the wicked and do not falter!

 

Time to spread some oppression. 

[KaiserShep]

"No its called we gave you this land."

 

 

"We shall call it your grave!"

 

"Curse your inevitable betrayal!"

[Xilizhra]

Of course. Sending in a few guards is like sending in an army. Let me turn on my super powers before you reply again: 

 

Blessed are they who stand before the corrupt and the wicked and do not falter!

 

Time to spread some oppression. 

Man, that doesn't sound like much of a Herald of Andraste to me.

[Xilizhra]

So yeah basically the humans had the right to do whatever they pleased out there.

By this logic, the British should still be able to do whatever they want here in America.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

By this logic, the British should still be able to do whatever they want here in America.

 

Sure but unlike the Dalish Murica is more than capable of defending itself.

[Br3admax]

Man, that doesn't sound like much of a Herald of Andraste to me.

Blessed was the Prophetess, purified by flame. So too will Thedas. 

[Xilizhra]

Sure but unlike the Dalish Murica is more than capable of defending itself.

Don't be pessimistic. If the krogan can pull off a tremendous victory in ME3 and save their race, I don't see why the Dalish can't in DA.

[Icy Magebane]

"No its called we gave you this land."

 

 

Andraste did; neither Orlais nor the Chantry had anything to do with it, and there was never any mention of some kind of legal contract handed down from Andraste to Drakon about how she still owned the place.

 

No Maferath and his sons did.

Wait, now I'm really confused.  I thought the story now was that the elves freed themselves from slavery and that Andraste took advantage of their rebellion to supplement her own war with Tevinter?    Was I being misled?

[Br3admax]

By this logic, the British should still be able to do whatever they want here in America.

If they can take it. I'd gladly go back to Mother England. 

[Steelcan]

Don't be pessimistic. If the krogan can pull off a tremendous victory in ME3 and save their race, I don't see why the Dalish can't in DA.

because dalish decline isn't caused by one easily identifiable source ie the genophage

[Mistic]

We spoke in that, plenty of times, and it seems more like a Rivani thing that everybody elsewhere is trying to act like didn't happen. The Chantry within itself didn't tell them to do it or not to do it. As for Tevinter, that was a war of who got to control the church, not the removing other religion. Civil Wars and all that. 

 

Maybe I can buy that the Rivaini faithful were too eager without Chantry input, but calling the Four Exalted Marches against Tevinter a civil war? A civil war of what? In no source it's said that Tevinter wanted to take control of the whole Chantry; just that their Imperial Chantry broke from the Orlesian one. That's creating a new form of the religion, like Protestants did in real life. The Chantry's answer was attempting to put it down by the sword. It was a religious war, made with religious objectives.

[Xilizhra]

because dalish decline isn't caused by one easily identifiable source ie the genophage

It wasn't in ME2 either, but then they forgot about it in ME3 and made it all work out anyway.

[The Hierophant]

By this logic, the British should still be able to do whatever they want here in America.

The Chantry and Orlais were founded by Emperor Drakon well after the fact. You'd have a point if the deal Andraste's sons made with the Dalish were instead made by Drakon or Andraste.

[Br3admax]

*snip*

It wasn't over the Maker, however. It was a clashing of theology. In the end, they both still worship the same god and sing the Chant. 

[Steelcan]

It wasn't in ME2 either, but then they forgot about it in ME3 and made it all work out anyway.

krogan culture was causing the decline, but the genophage helped it by keeping the korgan from being able to replenish their numbers, its still the ultimate cause of their decline

[Mistic]

It wasn't over the Maker, however. It was a clashing of theology. In the end, they both still worship the same god and sing the Chant. 

 

Indeed, and that makes it more disturbing. If worshipping the same god and practicing more or less the same religion doesn't stop the Chantry from waging four religious wars to convert back the rebels, what may happen to other religions?

 

Of course, the Chantry has changed a lot in these centuries, so maybe they are not so eager to convert by the sword nowadays. That doesn't mean that the precedent doesn't exist, mind you.

[Master Warder Z_]

Indeed, and that makes it more disturbing. If worshipping the same god and practicing more or less the same religion doesn't stop the Chantry from waging four religious wars to convert back the rebels

 

Your serious?

 

The Tevinters were rewriting the chant to legalize open Magister rule again!

[Br3admax]

That doesn't mean that the precedent doesn't exist, mind you.

Doesn't mean it does either. I actually see that more as a plot to keep Tevinter down than the religion itself. They probably didn't look forward to magister's lording over them again. 

[Craig Graff]

Pruning in progress. Please stay on topic.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

being sarcastic my lady
i assumed SOP was start new same topic threads thatbdevolve again

Oh, sorry. Kinda difficult to detect sarcasm on the internet sometimes

[Dean_the_Young]

Indeed, and that makes it more disturbing. If worshipping the same god and practicing more or less the same religion doesn't stop the Chantry from waging four religious wars to convert back the rebels, what may happen to other religions?

 

 

Of course, the Chantry has changed a lot in these centuries, so maybe they are not so eager to convert by the sword nowadays. That doesn't mean that the precedent doesn't exist, mind you.

 

Based off the nearly millenium of the Chantry's history, the precedent would be... nothing. The Chantry has never initiated a religious war against non-Andrastians for the purpose of conversion.

 

So unless you're Tevinter and in the process of seeing a slave-holding mageocracy usurp control of the country and defy key tenants of the international system, or launch a major religious war with a perceived unprovoked invasion of Andrastian land(s) with major deathtolls, the precedent is that you have nothing to fear from the Chantry. From other countries, including those aligned with the Chantry? More so.

[DuskWanderer]

Good, I hope we can deny the title. I can be a hero without bringing some schizo burned chick into it.

[Shadow Fox]

I'm confused how did this become a Dalish thread?