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[Ryzaki]

because they need her to be there because she's a worse writer pet than Liara

 

Wait what?

 

SERIOUSLY?

 

Wai.

[LOLandStuff]

Each time I hear of Fiona , I imagine Killbane from Saints Row with his titles and / everywhere.

[Willowhugger]

Wait what?

 

SERIOUSLY?

 

Wai.

 

I don't get that myself.

 

Yeah, she got her own DLC and comic books.

 

But it's not the end of the world guys.

[Ryzaki]

Fingers crossed that the mage you can make Tranquil is voluntary.

 

? Why on earth wouldn't it be. The did say you could decide to make a mage tranquil no?

[Ryzaki]

I don't get that myself.

 

Yeah, she got her own DLC and comic books.

 

But it's not the end of the world guys.

 

And three personality transplants in each game along with immunity to Renedouche's tongue with plot armor so thick it can't be penetrated unless you get the absolute worse ending in the game.

[Steelcan]

Wait what?

 

SERIOUSLY?

 

Wai.

let's see

 

city elf born in an alienage, then enslaved after she was orphaned, she was abused, killed her abuser, joined the Circle, then the Grey Wardens, had adventured with King Meric and is Alistair's mother, cured herself of the taint, went back to the Circle, became Grand Enchanter, led the freedom movement, seperated the Circles from the Chantry

[Willowhugger]

And three personality transplants in each game along with immunity to Renedouche's tongue with plot armor so thick it can't be penetrated unless you get the absolute worse ending in the game.

I didn't notice the personality transfer.

I found her as dull as wet cardboard in every game.

 

She was just as dull as wet cardboard with a network of superspies.

[SamanthaJ]

Mary Sue is a rather nebulous and over used term, but it can usually be reasonably applied to characters who get too much attention from the writers, they can have plot dependent powers, they are always "unique" in some regard, and they usually are not constrained by the lore

So just about every main character/plot important character ever?

 

Mary Sues are generally used to describe self-insert characters in fanfiction or original characters in fanfiction who are overly perfect. It isn't really a term that should be used to describe a character created by developers. People like to misuse the term, often to describe female characters they just don't like.

[Willowhugger]

let's see

 

city elf born in an alienage, then enslaved after she was orphaned, she was abused, killed her abuser, joined the Circle, then the Grey Wardens, had adventured with King Meric and is Alistair's mother, cured herself of the taint, went back to the Circle, became Grand Enchanter, led the freedom movement, seperated the Circles from the Chantry

It does seem they were trying too hard doesn't it?

It's like they didn't think "City Elf Grey Warden" was cool enough to sell the concept.

[X Equestris]

I must have to take engilsh over but what in flames is a mary sue and why the hate lol

http://tvtropes.org/...hp/Main/MarySue

This gives a decent idea of what a Mary Sue is.

[Hellion Rex]

because they need her to be there because she's a worse writer pet than Liara

But I like Liara

[Steelcan]

often to describe female characters they just don't like.

there is Mary Sue's brother Marty Sue

 

however it seems that they are rarer

[raging_monkey]

It does seem they were trying too hard doesn't it?It's like they didn't think "City Elf Grey Warden" was cool enough to sell the concept.

they lost me when she became grand enchater

[Willowhugger]

So just about every main character/plot important character ever?

 

Mary Sues are generally used to describe self-insert characters in fanfiction or original characters in fanfiction who are overly perfect. It isn't really a term that should be used to describe a character created by developers. People like to misuse the term, often to describe female characters they just don't like.

It's a meaningless title, I agree.

I do, however, think there are characters that they can use as a different title for.

"This character is someone the author is desperate for you to like and instead of letting you like her organically, simply piles things on them in hopes it will make them appealing."

 

Fiona, who I don't hate as a character, doesn't seem so much like a character than a pile of cliches.

[Hellion Rex]

there is Mary Sue's brother Marty Sue

however it seems that they are rarer

Lol, I thought it was Gary Stu.

[Ryzaki]

let's see

 

city elf born in an alienage, then enslaved after she was orphaned, she was abused, killed her abuser, joined the Circle, then the Grey Wardens, had adventured with King Meric and is Alistair's mother, cured herself of the taint, went back to the Circle, became Grand Enchanter, led the freedom movement, seperated the Circles from the Chantry

 

Even my special snowflake CE doesn't cure herself of the taint

 

Sounds like she should just blow up at the conference. That's one way to rip off plotshield XD

 

 

I didn't notice the personality transfer.

I found her as dull as wet cardboard in every game.

 

She was just as dull as wet cardboard with a network of superspies.

 

She's damsel in distress cardboard, then wanna be badass cardboard, then trying to be your support cardboard.

 

LOL I still think her being the shadowbroker was the most forced way to make her relevant possible and the saddest thing was it was completely unnecessary. Her being an archeologist that studied the Protheans was more than enough justification for decent relevance in all three games.

[Willowhugger]

they lost me when she became grand enchater

 

I agree.

 

I can buy Sten being Arishok because by the end of the game, he was probably the toughest Qunari alive.

 

However, I wasn't aware that being a Grey Warden qualified you for being the most powerful magi alive.

Why didn't I buy her as Grand enchanter?

Well, aside from not studying magic for decades of her life, Fiona is canonically....completely unlikable.

 

IN UNIVERSE.

 

How does she build a political coalition when her personality to Maric is, "SNARL"

[SamanthaJ]

there is Mary Sue's brother Marty Sue

 

however it seems that they are rarer

Except male characters can get away with a lot more than female characters. Harry Potter would be a Marty Stu/Gary Stu, but he's a guy, so...

[Ryzaki]

It's a meaningless title, I agree.

I do, however, think there are characters that they can use as a different title for.

"This character is someone the author is desperate for you to like and instead of letting you like her organically, simply piles things on them in hopes it will make them appealing."

 

Fiona, who I don't hate as a character, doesn't seem so much like a character than a pile of cliches.

 

Tallis  *cough*

 

And then of course they refuse to let you point out those characters flaws in the narrative in fear the whole thing will crumble.

[Master Warder Z_]

there is Mary Sue's brother Marty Sue

 

however it seems that they are rarer

 

Thought it was Gary Stu!

[Master Warder Z_]

Except male characters can get away with a lot more than female characters. Harry Potter would be a Marty Stu/Gary Stu, but he's a guy, so...

 

And still a gary stu all the way to the bank, beyond that those books were trash.

 

Seriously, they were only useful for kindling.

[Willowhugger]

Tallis is pretty much Fiona in a nutshell isn't she. She's a member of a high restricted society who is a hot redheaded elf/ex-slave who doesn't play by the rules!

[Hellion Rex]

And still a gary stu all the way to the bank, beyond that those books were trash.

Seriously, they were only useful for kindling.

Hold. Your. Tongue.

[Steelcan]

Except male characters can get away with a lot more than female characters. Harry Potter would be a Marty Stu/Gary Stu, but he's a guy, so...

I hear just as many complaints lobbied against such charatcers as I do female characters

 

Regardless, you have to look at the list of Fiona' life and think "this is getting ridiculous"

[LOLandStuff]

It's both actually. I prefer Gary Stu over Marty Sue tho.

 

And Harry Potter is just as annoying as any other Mary Sue. Just because he's a guy that doesn't spare him the hate.