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[Kieran G.]

Do we have to be the Grey Warden or Warden Commander?

Do we have to be the Champion of Kirkwall?

Do we have to be Commander Shepard?

Sometimes you have to deal with titles, even in RPG's.

[Killdren88]

Harby I miss your random ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL moments T~T

 

Tell me about it...Lost my job to Casper the Friendly ghost....

[AlexiaRevan]

Do we have to be the Grey Warden or Warden Commander?

Do we have to be the Champion of Kirkwall?

Do we have to be Commander Shepard?

Sometimes you have to deal with titles, even in RPG's.

Yeah...but none of those titles stick you with an organization that may go about your very own existance aka being a mage . 

 

Also there is a chance the title it self in the end would end up like DAO Boons (well at least some of them ) where no matter how many call ya that.......they still chase you with pitchfork or give you a stern 'Request Denied' . 

 

Only time will tell I guess...

[Kieran G.]

Yeah...but none of those titles stick you with an organization that may go about your very own existance aka being a mage . 

 

Also there is a chance the title it self in the end would end up like DAO Boons (well at least some of them ) where no matter how many call ya that.......they still chase you with pitchfork or give you a stern 'Request Denied' . 

 

Only time will tell I guess...

But we do see in the trailer cullen says "With the herald!" and the random Avvar Chieftain calling you by that title. so it just seems that might be our title

[HiroVoid]

But we do see in the trailer cullen says "With the herald!" and the random Avvar Chieftain calling you by that title. so it just seems that might be our title

Yeah.  Even if you don't call yourself that, its probably what a lot of people will refer to you as.

[Kieran G.]

Yeah.  Even if you don't call yourself that, its probably what a lot of people will refer to you as.

I believe even alexius calls you herald during the fight in the demo. but i could be wrong.

[Hadeedak]

Well, it probably beats "Herald of the Ston-- oh sod it I'm a surfacer just call me Herald of Another Beer."

[twizbuck]

I don't care if they call me that... as long as I don't have to follow Andraste.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Just because Andraste touched me doesn't mean I agreed to be her Herald! I need an adult.

I am an adult. 

 

*points to whoever gets the reference*

[Killdren88]

I am an adult. 

 

*points to whoever gets the reference*

 

I..need an adult?

 

I AM AN ADUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLT! *Unlocks potential*

[LobselVith8]

Andraste used the elves for her own ends?

 

Yes, that's what the elven Warden can say about Andraste, when I addressed that the elven Inquisitor might be able to like or dislike her in the same way the elven Warden could.

 

Either way, she's responsible for the elves being free of slavery.  They should respect the woman if not the religion that she inspired.  But, that's up to the individual PC I suppose, even if I don't see the rationale behind the disdain...  It's not my place to decide what another players PC should think, after all.

 

You phrase that as though Andraste acted alone; she didn't. The contributions of Shartan and the elves who fought alongside Andraste and the humans played a role in the emancipation of the elves.

[Icy Magebane]

Yes, that's what the elven Warden can say about Andraste, when I addressed that the elven Inquisitor might be able to like or dislike her in the same way the elven Warden could.

Well, if the dialogue exists in the game then the writers must have thought it was reasonable for a Dalish to dislike Andraste.  I won't argue against a player's right to have their PC follow whatever path the player chooses for them.

 

You phrase that as though Andraste acted alone; she didn't. The contributions of Shartan and the elves who fought alongside Andraste and the humans played a role in the emancipation of the elves.

That's true, the elves fought alongside her and helped earn their freedom.  I still don't see how that means that Andraste used them for anything.   It actually sounds more like the elves took advantage of the chaos since they couldn't free themselves from slavery.  In any case, it's not my place to interpret that for you or anybody else, and I certainly shouldn't tell you how to design your PCs, so I'll just leave it at that.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

They could never have freed themselves without Andraste. In my opinion, she should be a hero to all elves. But there are those who don't consider her one. Velanna didn't hate her but seemed to consider herself as having good reason to.

[LobselVith8]

Well, if the dialogue exists in the game then the writers must have thought it was reasonable for a Dalish to dislike Andraste.  I won't argue against a player's right to have their PC follow whatever path the player chooses for them.

 

It's not exclusive for the Dalish protagonist, as any elven Warden can say it; it was available for my Surana Warden.

 

That's true, the elves fought alongside her and helped earn their freedom.  I still don't see how that means that Andraste used them for anything.   It actually sounds more like the elves took advantage of the chaos since they couldn't free themselves from slavery.  In any case, it's not my place to interpret that for you or anybody else, and I certainly shouldn't tell you how to design your PCs, so I'll just leave it at that.

 

As a matter of fact, Shartan and his people freed themselves from slavery.

[Icy Magebane]

It's not exclusive for the Dalish protagonist, as any elven Warden can say it; it was available for my Surana Warden.

 

As a matter of fact, Shartan and his people freed themselves from slavery.

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For the record, I was trying to apologize for meddling in your character design.  How about this then... for the first part, change "Dalish" to "elven" Warden.  Problem solved.  For the second part... I think you're wrong. The lore doesn't support such a claim.

 

The idea that the elves could have freed themselves but simply chose not to until the humans happened to also be in the middle of a rebellion is ludicrous.  The idea that they actually did free themselves on their own is even more absurd.  I mean, even if you want to claim that history is written by the victors, the scenario you are proposing doesn't make any logical sense.  What were they waiting for if they could have freed themselves without aid?  How is it that their escape attempt just happened to coincide with the exact time that Andraste chose for her rebellion?  I mean, I can understand if you want your character to believe these things for whatever reason, and again, I should not have attempted to interfere in that.  However, this theory is not supported by any facts that I've ever heard and it doesn't stand up to questioning either.

 

I was actually going to make an attempt at ending this debate, but something about that last sentence you wrote didn't sit well with me... if there are any facts that back up your statement as you claim, I'd be happy to hear them so I can adjust my views accordingly.

[Fredward]

Nope, you can also choose to be the Herald of High Fashion.

[pengwin21]

That depends on many factors.

 

Namely if the breaches are only appearing in the area the game takes place within.

 

I cannot see Nevarra overly caring about what Fereldan or Orlais think about some one closing breaches.

 

This is something I haven't seen much about- are there Breaches outside of Orlais/Fereldan that the Inquisitor is uh, not dealing with?

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

So I have seen a few threads about this but never seen a definitive answer.  Is there a way for us to make the world at large not call us The Herald?  Or will the options to distance ourselves from it only matter to our companions and such?  Will villager number 4 and random solider 206 always call us the Herald no matter what?

Josephine: Yes

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This is something I haven't seen much about- are there Breaches outside of Orlais/Fereldan that the Inquisitor is uh, not dealing with?

I think all the Tears coincide with the Breach, with it being at the epicenter. So the longer it stays open, the more they will spread. It explains why they are only being dealt with in Ferelden and Orlais. 

[BobZilla84]

Its a tool to be used let the masses worship you if they wish that way you can leverage the power to your advantage.  My First Inquisitor Arvaas Adaar will gladly do so and he doesnt care about The Chantry,its Religion or Andraste. 

[Former_Fiend]

I think that if there is one thing Bioware games have in common, it's that the only thing the PC is utterly incapable of is controlling what everyone else calls them.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Considering that campaign is very pro-chantry i guess yes.

 

I doubt that bioware will give us rp freedom before dragon age 2 and mass effect.

[Mistic]

edit...

 

For the record, I was trying to apologize for meddling in your character design.  How about this then... for the first part, change "Dalish" to "elven" Warden.  Problem solved.  For the second part... I think you're wrong. The lore doesn't support such a claim.

 

The idea that the elves could have freed themselves but simply chose not to until the humans happened to also be in the middle of a rebellion is ludicrous.  The idea that they actually did free themselves on their own is even more absurd.  I mean, even if you want to claim that history is written by the victors, the scenario you are proposing doesn't make any logical sense.  What were they waiting for if they could have freed themselves without aid?  How is it that their escape attempt just happened to coincide with the exact time that Andraste chose for her rebellion?  I mean, I can understand if you want your character to believe these things for whatever reason, and again, I should not have attempted to interfere in that.  However, this theory is not supported by any facts that I've ever heard and it doesn't stand up to questioning either.

 

I was actually going to make an attempt at ending this debate, but something about that last sentence you wrote didn't sit well with me... if there are any facts that back up your statement as you claim, I'd be happy to hear them so I can adjust my views accordingly.

 

I think that maybe both of you are talking about different meanings of "free".

 

The Tevinter Imperium is known to suffer slave rebellions from time to time that are put down sooner or later (except the last rebellion in Kirkwall, which ended with Tevinter losing the city forever). Just like in Rome. Maybe Lobsel was trying to say that, as far as we know, the elves rebelled by their own volition without needing Andraste and her army to go to Tevinter to break their chains (more "Spartacus joins the barbarians" than "the Christian captives after the battle of Lepanto"). Truth be told, the now forbidden Canticle of Shartan says that the elves joined the battle in the Valarian Fields already armed with makeshift weapons, so the elves were already rebelling and organizing themselves before they met the barbarians (it was during that battle that Shartan met Andraste). That they chose the best moment to do so is not surprising; after all, the barbarians themselves invaded Tevinter after it was weakened by the Blight, not before.

 

However, it's true that their freedom would have been temporary if Andraste and her army didn't invade Tevinter. As I said, slave rebellions aren't unheard of in Tevinter, yet none of them have broken the Imperium before.  Most likely, they would have been put down, like Spartacus. So their freedom wasn't really official until Tevinter made peace with Maferath and he rewarded the elves with the Dales.

[Gervaise]

My elf will have no problem being called the Herald of Andraste provided that the Chantry acknowledges the contribution that Shartan played in Andraste's original crusade.   Whilst the elves could not have achieved freedom without Andraste, the Chantry's own scholars admit that without their help she and Maferath might well have lost the Battle of Valarian Fields, in which case history could have been very different.      All verses relating to Shartan should be restored to the Chant ((I'm sure there are more than have been thus far revealed) and all defaced Chantry iconography that has Shartan shown with doctored ears should be restored to its original form.

 

I've also posted elsewhere that I would welcome the opportunity to install some of my own iconography to replace the images with elves that were destroyed in the past; so may be a nice mural showing the sky black with arrows raining down on the Magisters' forces or Andraste handing the sword Glandevalis to Shartan.   The latter I feel would be most appropriate in reinforcing the title that is being bestowed on me. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Unless you are Dalish.  The very thought would be insulting.  Even though Andraste herself was good to elves it was her "followers"  that screwed over the elves due to their refusal to accept her religion.  To then be forced to embrace said religion is betrayal to your own people and history.

Is funny how so many people put 100% of the blame on the Chantry for "screwing" the elves, is not like the elves became a hostile isolationist state who kept out the blight, then raped & pillaged their way to the heart of the Chantry which caused them to call an exalted march to defend themselves from total destruction....