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[Br3admax]

Rivain Chantry and nationalist forces, 

 

Thanks for proving my point for me. The Chantry, as in its head, is stationed in Orlais. Realize that people who live in Rivain are a part of Rivain, regardless of what other organizations they belong to. 

[Br3admax]

so tevinter statues just look like elven statues? Ill admit i jumped the gun on use of magic but the statues seem a bit "odd" to me. Mind you br3ad im aware this possibly conjecture and me making leaps but its how i see things. If you respectfully disagree i accept your opinion so if it pleases you we may discuss the subject.* tone used was respectul and inquisitive seeking dialogue*

I'm not saying that Tevinter didn't steal elven culture, relics, and magic. I'm saying that they treat everyone not as powerful as them as subhuman. Tevinter is full of human slaves as well, and they are all still batteries whenever need be. 

[Tremere]

Sooo... Not herald of the Maker? 

 

 ... Hmmm...

 

I guess humanoids need something tangible to worship. I mean who needs an invisible God that doesn't communicate with you anyway?

 

*shrugs* WWAD?

[Reaverwind]

Sooo... Not herald of the Maker? 

 

 ... Hmmm...

 

I guess humanoids need something tangible to worship. I mean who needs an invisible God that doesn't communicate with you anyway?

 

*shrugs* WWAD?

 

Andraste is probably better-looking. 

[rolson00]

i agree i wnat to be a dalish elfs being called th herald of a human religion wud get beyond annoying and what of dwarven players?

[raging_monkey]

Thanks for proving my point for me. The Chantry, as in its head, is stationed in Orlais. Realize that people who live in Rivain are a part of Rivain, regardless of what other organizations they belong to.

riviani or not they are still apart of the chantry and for good or bad they can affect public(rather forum) opinion on the chantry as a whole. If somebody could show a source of chantry disapproval of the rivaini's "protecting of their faith" i would probably change my own view.*polite tone used*

[raging_monkey]

I'm not saying that Tevinter didn't steal elven culture, relics, and magic. I'm saying that they treat everyone not as powerful as them as subhuman. Tevinter is full of human slaves as well, and they are all still batteries whenever need be.

my apologies i misread your post and responded in correctly

[X Equestris]

The codex entry specificaly states that it was the Rivain Chantry was involved in the purge.
 
"It's worth noting, however, that the Kingdom of Rivain immediately violated the treaty. Twice. Once, when the humans of northern Rivain—nearly all practitioners of the Qun and therefore by definition, "Qunari"—refused to leave their homes and go in exile to the islands. And again, when the Rivain Chantry and nationalist forces, unable to convert its people back to the worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves. It's a fortunate mystery that the leaders in Kont-aar did not alert their allies in the Northern Passage, or we'd still be fighting the giants now."

And the Rivaini Chantry acted without orders from the Divine.

[Br3admax]

riviani or not they are still apart of the chantry and for good or bad they can affect public(rather forum) opinion on the chantry as a whole. If somebody could show a source of chantry disapproval of the rivaini's "protecting of their faith" i would probably change my own view.*polite tone used*

The entire leadership of the country did it. It's unfair to blame the Chantry for the action. There's no showing either way of support or condemnation, but to blame the Chantry as a whole for the situation is just as wrong. 

[Icy Magebane]

i agree i wnat to be a dalish elfs being called th herald of a human religion wud get beyond annoying and what of dwarven players?

I don't think the Stone sends out heralds... dwarves aren't even supposed to be on the surface in the first place.

[Reaverwind]

i agree i wnat to be a dalish elfs being called th herald of a human religion wud get beyond annoying and what of dwarven players?

 

Don't see why my dwarf would be overly concerned over a bunch of Stone-forsaken fools wanting to worship him.

[raging_monkey]

The entire leadership of the country did it. It's unfair to blame the Chantry for the action. There's no showing either way of support or condemnation, but to blame the Chantry as a whole for the situation is just as wrong.

true but like you said we have no proof of support or condemnation. So as human(some with stronger moral concerns) we often find a villian for a perceived injustice. In this case its the chantry due the muddier details of its history. Mind you im disagreeing just speaking a possible view point*respectful tone*

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Which makes any genuine discussion moot when certain people disregard that there are two conflicting historical accounts, to the point of blatantly omitting or distorting information as a means of vilifying the Dalish no matter which historical account one addresses. I don't see why those people can't simply accept that there are two historical accounts that claim the other is responsible.

Tbh, the Dalish deserve to be seen as villains, is thanks to their kind that elves became what they are in modern times, the Dales were a perfect opportunity for elves to become great allies but instead they choose extreme isolation & hostility which ended in their destruction

[Silfren]

No it doesn't. Honestly, if you're just going to spew propaganda that's backed up nowhere, I can go ahead and stop replying now. 

 

Actually it does.  You want a citation?  All the existing games and lore point to the fact that the Chantry has no interest in co-existing with other religions.  It's stated purpose is to spread the Chant to all the corners of the world, and it is clear that Chantry doctrine holds that other religions are false and that the Maker resents people worshipping anyone other than himself.

 

Absolutely nothing in that suggests that the Chantry would NOT want to wholly eliminate all other forms of religion.  I honestly can't understand why you would argue against this and keep going "citation needed" because it's ALL OVER THE DAMN GAME.  

[LobselVith8]

Tbh, the Dalish deserve to be seen as villains, is thanks to their kind that elves became what they are in modern times, the Dales were a perfect opportunity for elves to become great allies but instead they choose extreme isolation & hostility which ended in their destruction

 

The elves chose to isolate themselves from a neighbor who was conquering the rest of their other neighbors in a series of Exalted Marches because Drakon wanted to establish an empire under the worship of the Maker. No, that isn't sufficient enough for me to see the Dales as villainous.

[Silfren]

the us's stand your ground law is a testament to that statement

 

Er.  That's not a federal U.S. law.  But again, the original fact stands:  it is NOT universal that trespassers can legally be shot on sight; even if it were a federal U.S. law, there's kind of a problem in assuming that U.S. law = universal law everywhere.  

[Lumix19]

Tbh, the Dalish deserve to be seen as villains, is thanks to their kind that elves became what they are in modern times, the Dales were a perfect opportunity for elves to become great allies but instead they choose extreme isolation & hostility which ended in their destruction

I don't recall them being hostile but I think that the elves were quite isolationist. But you can hardly blame them for cutting themselves off from humans since it was humans (admittedly Tevinter) who were responsible for Arlathan's destruction and they were trying to regain their heritage/past/immortality which humans are blamed (rightly or wrongly) for the loss of. Perhaps if they'd been a bit more helpful during the Second Blight things might have been different but I doubt. The Chantry seems to hate the idea of the Elven Pantheon and their inaction during the Second Blight seems more like a convenient excuse (along with all that crap about human sacrifice)

[Br3admax]

Actually it does.  You want a citation?  All the existing games and lore point to the fact that the Chantry has no interest in co-existing with other religions.  It's stated purpose is to spread the Chant to all the corners of the world, and it is clear that Chantry doctrine holds that other religions are false and that the Maker resents people worshipping anyone other than himself.

 

Absolutely nothing in that suggests that the Chantry would NOT want to wholly eliminate all other forms of religion.  I honestly can't understand why you would argue against this and keep going "citation needed" because it's ALL OVER THE DAMN GAME.  

Then you should have no problem citing a source then. It's been a good year since I asked you for them, and I'm still waiting.  

[Patchwork]

Tbh, the Dalish deserve to be seen as villains, is thanks to their kind that elves became what they are in modern times, the Dales were a perfect opportunity for elves to become great allies but instead they choose extreme isolation & hostility which ended in their destruction

 

They didn't want to have anything to do with the people who enslaved them and destroyed their culture, what a shock. 

 

Not helping stop the Blight was shortsighted that I'll give you but the elves were perfectly within their right to tell someone particularly armed someones that they can not enter their territory. The Chantry and the people of Orlais have no right to be in the Dales unless the dalish okay it. 

[Mr.House]

The elves chose to isolate themselves from a neighbor who was conquering the rest of their other neighbors in a series of Exalted Marches because Drakon wanted to establish an empire under the worship of the Maker. No, that isn't sufficient enough for me to see the Dales as villainous.

Making humans suffer as werewolves despite not being part of the crime, killing humans and razing merchants who had nothing to do with the kidnap and plenty of evidence to show that, dalish treating city elves and dwarfs like crap, the fiasco in MoE ect

 

Dalish are dicks whos lore contradicts facts.

 

/go city elves

[LobselVith8]

I don't recall them being hostile but I think that the elves were quite isolationist. But you can hardly blame them for cutting themselves off from humans since it was humans (admittedly Tevinter) who were responsible for Arlathan's destruction and they were trying to regain their heritage/past/immortality which humans are blamed (rightly or wrongly) for the loss of. Perhaps if they'd been a bit more helpful during the Second Blight things might have been different but I doubt. The Chantry seems to hate the idea of the Elven Pantheon and their inaction during the Second Blight seems more like a convenient excuse (along with all that crap about human sacrifice)

 

Aside from Drakon's conquest of the neighboring city-states (which would be a cause of concern for the elves), there's also the problems that arose between the Dales and Orlais that prevented Drakon from conquering the Free Marches as he planned to (and lead to Drakon sending out missionaries to spread the word of the Chant). It's clear that there were problems between the two.

[raging_monkey]

Er.  That's not a federal U.S. law.  But again, the original fact stands:  it is NOT universal that trespassers can legally be shot on sight; even if it were a federal U.S. law, there's kind of a problem in assuming that U.S. law = universal law everywhere.

it was a homourous attempt while supporting a posts statement which i agreed with. I am aware of the limits of stand your ground and tresspassing. Sides sil im a joker and while i make point pointsvits with humor

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Making humans suffer as werewolves despite not being part of the crime, killing humans and razing merchants who had nothing to do with the kidnap and plenty of evidence to show that, dalish treating city elves and dwarfs like crap, the fiasco in MoE ect

 

Dalish are dicks whos lore contradicts facts.

 

/go city elves

 

Which is why I felt SOOOO good about helping the Werewolves wipe them out, executing Velanna, and killing Merrill's clan.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

They chose to isolate themselves from a neighbor who was conquering their other neighbors because Drakon wanted to establish an empire under the worship of the Maker. No, that isn't sufficient enough for me to see the Dales as villainous.

They chose to isolate themselves from humans in general, it could have been a generally benign country like Antiva as their neighbour & they'd still have reacted with hostility towards them

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

They chose to isolate themselves from humans in general, it could have been a generally benign country like Antiva as their neighbour & they'd still have reacted with hostility towards them

 

Of course, they woudln't be elves otherwise.